[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru - Ep. 6 Dawn of the golden witch

[Marion]

I noticed that the ending theme for EP 6 was a song put on the Luck Ganriki CD from the C76, along with another track. Not that I'm complaining though, Birth of a New Witch is beautiful.

@Leinne: I wouldn't call her Evatrice 2. Evatrice was crazy because she had a very childlike attitude (they're my toys, etc etc) about what she was doing. Erika is just a nutcase. Only reason all the crazy stuff was because, once again, Battler got trolled by a deredere personality. Just seriously Battler.

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Marion

Only reason all the crazy stuff was because, once again, Battler got trolled by a deredere personality. Just seriously Battler.

It was said in red he's incompetent. We should have expected something like this.

[Marion]

Originally Posted by Used Can

It was said in red he's incompetent. We should have expected something like this.

That was in EP 2. I was hoping 4 games later he would have straightened up a little and understand the basic rules of trolling. I guess not.

[Augustus]

Can someone tell me the ending? Maybe some plot twists? Also i have a theory about Featherinne but ill post it later!

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Augustus

Can someone tell me the ending?

Spoiler:

- Erika gets her existence denied.
- Battler and Beatrice said in red: You (Erika) included, there are 17 people (in Rokkenjima).
- Bern and Featherine seem to know each other. Featherine says Battler is not suited for GM, because he'd never make his family look like evil people (therefore, he'd never show the truth). So, she says she'll have Bern as the new GM for EP7.

[catastrophe8]

Originally Posted by Used Can

Spoiler:

- Erika gets her existence denied.
- Battler and Beatrice said in red: You (Erika) included, there are 17 people (in Rokkenjima).
- Bern and Featherine seem to know each other. Featherine says Battler is not suited for GM, because he'd never make his family look like evil people (therefore, he'd never show the truth). So, she says she'll have Bern as the new GM for EP7.

The last point is going to make a lot of people mension Higurashi

[~Ayane~]

Originally Posted by Used Can

Spoiler:

- Erika gets her existence denied.
- Battler and Beatrice said in red: You (Erika) included, there are 17 people (in Rokkenjima).
- Bern and Featherine seem to know each other. Featherine says Battler is not suited for GM, because he'd never make his family look like evil people (therefore, he'd never show the truth). So, she says she'll have Bern as the new GM for EP7.

Spoiler for Ep6:

hey....but...a lot of people in metaworld dies but they still can come back, right? like Beato, Evatrice or Ange...even Battler was partially denied once and his soul almost went bye bye. so its not like she will certainly never come back right?
damn Ryukishi i want my happy ending -_-

also i thought Bern is on the side that tries to find human culprit, on which side is lambda now ?

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by ~Ayane~

Spoiler for Ep6:

hey....but...a lot of people in metaworld dies but they still can come back, right? like Beato, Evatrice or Ange...even Battler was partially denied once and his soul almost went bye bye. so its not like she will certainly never come back right?
damn Ryukishi i want my happy ending -_-

Spoiler:

Battler got revived by Ange, though. Beato hasn't exactly returned. Her soul/memories are missing. Evatrice and Ange haven't returned to the Metaworld.

But, all the same, who knows? I wouldn't be surprised if Erika returns.

Originally Posted by ~Ayane~

Spoiler for Ep6:

also i thought Bern is on the side that tries to find human culprit, on which side is lambda now ?

Spoiler:

I'd say 34 has always been on the I-just-want-to-have-fun side.

[immblueversion]

Originally Posted by Used Can

Spoiler:

I wouldn't be surprised if Erika returns.

Spoiler for EP6:

Well, an Erika Furudo does exist. Just not on Rokkenjima.

[Augustus]

Maybe they do mention Higurashi on EP7. Still does Featherinne appear in 1998? What happend to the 2 Beatos?

[kj1980]

Just remember that in Higurashi's counter part at this stage, you were all partially lead to believe that Takano Miyo's theory about aliens and Rena's flesh eating maggots were real.



Anyhow, I really like the logic error portion of the game and the how Ryu portrayed Battler's inner struggle to escape that anomaly. It really brought out the chills of a trapped room, kinda like Saw-esque in a way. I doubt it would be difficult to portray this in animated form though, reading the text plus your own imagination with a touch of eerie music gave it a boost on the creepiness factor.

So at the end of Ep. 6, we now know that Furudo Erika is a member of this island, but that it still does not change the fact that there are only 17 people on this island including Erika. IF Erika is another guest at Rokkenjima yet that still doesn't change the number of people on the island, then...?

There are two ways to interpret this:

0. Kinzo = already dead, cannot be counted
1. Krauss
2. Natsuhi
3. Jessica
4. Eva
5. Hideyoshi
6. George
7. Rudolf
8. Kyrie
9. Battler
10. Rosa
11. Maria
12. Nanjo
13. Kumasawa
14. Gohda
15. Genji
16. Shannon
17. Kannon
0. Erika = awashed ashore dead on island after her fall from the Eternal Maid II pleasure boat


or

0. Kinzo = already dead, cannot be counted
1=X. Krauss
2=X. Natsuhi
3=X. Jessica
4=X. Eva
5=X. Hideyoshi
6=X. George
7=X. Rudolf
8=X. Kyrie
9=X. Battler
10=X. Rosa
11=X. Maria
12=X. Nanjo
13=X. Kumasawa
14=X. Gohda
15=X. Genji
16=X. Shannon
17=X. Kannon
17=X. Erika

X = any number 1-17, therefore leaving the possibility that one member here is physically the same as another, while mentally being different via a multiple personality syndrome...?


Adding to that fact that "logic error" was one of the key elements in this chapter, we can deduce that one of the red texts can be bound by a logic error and there is an element that can be "fix" that error.




IMHO, Shannon = Kannon theory is becoming more substantiated. One hint was also included in the scene where "a girl wearing a goat mask unveiled herself as Kannon."

[TheForsaken]

Originally Posted by kj1980

So at the end of Ep. 6, we now know that Furudo Erika is a member of this island, but that it still does not change the fact that there are only 17 people on this island including Erika. IF Erika is another guest at Rokkenjima yet that still doesn't change the number of people on the island, then...?

No, they didn't say that "Furudo Erika is a member of this island".
The exact red text is "Even if include you, there're 17 people".

[Megaolix]

Spoiler for Ep6 end questions:

So... if Bern really is the new GM (Wasn't she against the witch side??? Can't wait for translation...) What is Battler going to do in Ep7?

And what is the point of next game then if Battler already has the answer anyway and there's no Beato?

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by kj1980

One hint was also included in the scene where "a girl wearing a goat mask unveiled herself as Kannon."

Hahaha... Oh wow!
Anyway, I still hope R07 is just trying to deceive us, but at this point, I wonder.

Originally Posted by Megaolix

Spoiler for Ep6 end questions:

So... if Bern really is the new GM (Wasn't she against the witch side??? Can't wait for translation...) What is Battler going to do in Ep7?

And what is the point of next game then if Battler already has the answer?

I guess it'll be similar to EP5, as in one person's truth vs another person's truth.

[Kitsu]

One hint was also included in the scene where "a girl wearing a goat mask unveiled herself as Kannon."

Eh may japanese may be not the best but I'm pretty sure that it was "A girl elbowed herself through the crowd unmasking herself shouting" or something. And that was Jessica the next sentence was her shouting "Kanon-kun!?". Even her spirit was shown. And then Kanon appeared through butterflies kneeling in front of Battler.

[Isekaijin]

Mmm... Does furniture count as humans? Since Kannon and Shannon already got over that "I'm a furniture" thing now they would really be able to perfectly specify the number of people in the island. In previous games, Kannon wouldn't aknowledge himself as a human until a few minutes prior to his death, thus causing confusion when speaking with the red truth.

If it were the case, then it's solved. We have someone in that island who consider himself as furniture and never have tried to pretend otherwise. If Genji doesn't count as a human, then we have our 16 humans + furniture.

This is a bit of twisted logic, but even Ryukishi said it "Without love it cannot be seen" and now that Jessica and Kannon are finally a couple, I seriously doubt Ryukishi would bring it down with the Shannon=Kannon.

Do you guys have that feeling that the truth is hitting you in the face and you can't see it?

[Auria]

I'm not very far (Kanon's confession) but...


WTF SMILING KANON SCARES ME O__O"

[Kitsu]

I'm not very far (Kanon's confession) but...


WTF SMILING KANON SCARES ME O__O"

Haha the first time I saw him smile (as a spoiler pic) I thought it was fake...and then in the game I was seriously disturbed and then you'll get used to it since he does that rather often. By now the spirit with closed eyes and his smile became my favorite of his spirits

[Augustus]

Originally Posted by Isekaijin

Mmm... Does furniture count as humans? Since Kannon and Shannon already got over that "I'm a furniture" thing now they would really be able to perfectly specify the number of people in the island. In previous games, Kannon wouldn't aknowledge himself as a human until a few minutes prior to his death, thus causing confusion when speaking with the red truth.

If it were the case, then it's solved. We have someone in that island who consider himself as furniture and never have tried to pretend otherwise. If Genji doesn't count as a human, then we have our 16 humans + furniture.

This is a bit of twisted logic, but even Ryukishi said it "Without love it cannot be seen" and now that Jessica and Kannon are finally a couple, I seriously doubt Ryukishi would bring it down with the Shannon=Kannon.

Do you guys have that feeling that the truth is hitting you in the face and you can't see it?

Its sounds like a good theory.

[immblueversion]

Originally Posted by Augustus

Maybe they do mention Higurashi on EP7. Still does Featherinne appear in 1998? What happend to the 2 Beatos?

Between Moetrice and Beatroll, I think the latter was destroyed or something.