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View Poll Results: AnoHana - Episode 5 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 46 | 52.27% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 24 | 27.27% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 14.77% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 4.55% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.14% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 88. You may not vote on this poll |
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2011-05-19, 02:52 | Link #181 | |
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What I find especially disagreeable here are your insinuations that this is some otaku wish fulfillment. Maybe I missed it, but is this some sort of harem anime ? Get real here. Growing apart from your friends earlier in your life is something that MANY people can relate to. It is not limited to Otakus. It certainly manipulates the audience into nostalgia, but that isn't a bad thing. That makes it all the more relateable for some people. How many people out there have ever felt disappointed about past friendships got awry? Sure, you might be able to call this anime some sort of wish fulfillment. A desire to go back to how things once were for people. A fairy tale reunion of sorts. But if you're seriously going to sit here and tell me that this only applies to Otakus, then that's simply ludicrous.
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2011-05-19, 04:12 | Link #185 | |||
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Now, is crossdressing as the deceased friend going a bit too far? Is seeing a hallucination of your deceased friend a bit too much (let's just assume she's a hallucination here for argument's sake)? Maybe. But, sreaming out loud for God's sake, this is an anime. This is a drama. We have seen way more unrealistic stuff in other animes, we have seen way more dramatic elements in other dramas, so what is up with this talk about realism? What is realism to you anyway? Something that you have to have experienced, something that you have to be feeling? As for Memna's setting, my comment so far is: she's acting like her age when she died alright. Could the character be better designed? Maybe. But I definitely wouldn't want to see her appearing all mature, i.e. being a mature character guiding her friends. Now that would be bad. Her appearance alone has already served the purpose, it's up to the living characters to figure out the rest themselves. |
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2011-05-19, 04:31 | Link #186 | |||
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I lost my father, in my early 20s, when I was still in university, just as our relationship as father and son was turning for the better. I carry regrets that will stay with me for as long as I live. So... don't go around dissing people, thinking they have not experienced as much "pain" as you do. That said, my condolences, of course. Quote:
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Similar devices, involving the supernatural and the spiritual, but used vastly more effectively, because they don't dominate the story, but rather enable plot progression without distracting from the drama unfolding onscreen. That's the kind of "realism" I enjoy, which I find lacking in AnoHana. Again, I'm of course fully cognisant that all of our arguments stem from subjective views. But if viewers are not willing to open their perspectives to accept criticisms, then there is little room for discussion. Which is why I normally avoid such sub-forums. The way the fanbase for such forums is built, there is usually not much space to accommodate different views. Discussion usually descends into unproductive "us"-versus-"them" debates. |
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2011-05-19, 05:19 | Link #187 | ||||
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Besides, my point was - and it's a point in general, not directed to you, TinyRedLeaf - just because you can't find yourself feeling the same as the characters feel, it doesn't mean it's not realistic. Don't stereotype yourself. I find myself understanding the characters' feelings, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Poppo maybe a bit too happy-go-lucky, Yukiatsu maybe a bit too indulged in his memories of Menma... other than Tsuruko, they are all "a bit over", but that doesn't make it unrealistic. It just becomes a bit more dramatic, that's all. Quote:
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2011-05-19, 06:37 | Link #188 | ||
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Why I categorize AnoHana as wish fulfillment is because it lets the relatable Jinta realize all of his former friends still have issues on the same topic of internal conflict as he has. Yukiatsu's crossdressing wasn't as shocking as it was grotesque in comparison to Jinta's problem. I can see the show playing out in the same manner for the rest of the cast, with Jinta as the main spectator of each character's breakdown. Last edited by cyth; 2011-05-19 at 07:24. |
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2011-05-19, 08:29 | Link #189 |
A blast from the past
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How the heck is Jinta relatable? I mean, are many of us here reclusive shut-ins with deep emotional scars that impede our personal growth? I know I'm not and I don't really relate to him. I care about him, tho, and about the story and the other characters, myself (yeap, even Yukiatsu). So, wish-fulfillment is clearly not the point for everyone, at least.
And I have no problem with the "supernatural" part, either. Doesn't really matter, as long as it's a good yarn, for me. Maybe I'm wrong?
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2011-05-19, 09:09 | Link #190 | ||
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That being said, cross-dressing is still a very strange idea, and something that definitely needs explanation. I'm going to reserve judgement on it until I understand completely why it happened. I don't think people can just attribute it to Yukiatsu being sad though. Tsuruko and Anaru don't seem to have exaggerated problem with Menma's death. Tsuruko so far only mentions it as something that has already passed, and Anaru shows a reasonable amount of sentiment [I'd say she's more stuck on how Jintan is affected by her death] for someone close who passed away five years ago. We still don't know much about Poppo, but he seems to take the, "Bringing back Menma," thing as something that would be good, not something that would cure his emotional scars. If anything, I'd say that the only reason it seems like every character is so bothered by it is because we see things from Jintan and Menma's point of view. Quote:
I can accept that Yukiatsu cross-dressing is really unrealistic [again, I'm personally suspending judgement] and I can accept that you don't like how involved Menma is with the drama [a lot of people have already said that they were bothered how the plot wouldn't have moved forward without Menma], but I don't understand how Menma being so involved in the drama is unrealistic. Edit: Just to explain, when you say, "That's the kind of 'realism' I enjoy, which I find lacking in Anohana," it suggests that supernatural elements that don't dominate the story is the only kind of realistic supernatural story. I don't believe how supernatural elements affect drama has anything to do with realism [in the context we're discussing it, anyway]. Also, I will check out that recommendation. Thank you. Last edited by OceanBlue; 2011-05-19 at 09:21. |
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2011-05-19, 09:54 | Link #192 | |
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For instance, Jintan eating that cake? It could be made by him, and then ate it himself while reminiscing his mother and Menma. The door at Menma's house? It could be that it was actually loose and a wind blew it open. People feeling weight around their shoulders? It could really originated from fatigue. Jinta knew about the hairpin? It is possible that Jinta stopped running and looked at the confession scene for a while, and resumed running afterward. Every single scene with Menma in it can be explained without her actually taking part in it (at least, so far). Though again, this is merely theory. Menma could really be a corporeal ghost that only Jin can perceive. The point is that this theory is as plausible as the Jintan=idiot theory. However, I can tell that this is a story about a group of people trying to move on with their lives after a tragedy befell them all. Any other thing is really just spices to freshen things up a bit, and it's best not to dwell too much on them.
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2011-05-19, 10:23 | Link #193 | |
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On the other hand, I think many of us enjoy the series for its human interactions. I think whether one will ultimately enjoys this series really comes down to which aspect of the show is more important to you. As a side note, I found Colorful unbearable - just a personal opinion. |
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2011-05-19, 11:13 | Link #194 | |||
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2011-05-19, 13:36 | Link #195 | ||||
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The ball is still out on Tsuruko. Poppo doesn't seem miserable. In fact, he seems like the one character to not be emotionally scarred to death by this all incident. Quote:
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We still don't know how the rest of this show will play out, but I don't think anyone is as screwed up as Yukiatsu and Jintan (I certainly hope not). There's no real indication of that.
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2011-05-19, 17:20 | Link #196 |
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I sympathize with you, TRL, as someone who had major issues with Bakemonogotari and Eden of the East (just to name two). Once a show is popular enough to get a sub-forum there comes a point of diminishing returns in dismissing it's worth outright - it's an upstream swim.
That said, I happen to think you're completely wrong about this one - it's easily the best show of the season for me (and maybe the year so far). I have no issues with Menma as a plot device and I think this is more or less a classic example of magical realism brilliantly executed. And frankly, it's nice - though quite disorienting - for me to be on the same side as public opinion for once...
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2011-05-19, 18:20 | Link #197 |
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I can relate to Jinta because I lost my mother as well. Moreso because I can see her in my dreams once in a while even now. That's largely the reason why how Menma is used doesn't bother me much. It's a plot device, one that is far from realistic, I agree, but I can mostly see through it as Japanese storytelling and focus on Jinta's and everyone's struggles, as that is the main focus of the story. You can call it wish-fulfillment, but I dearly hope Jinta and the rest will have a special place for her in their hearts and won't forget her even if they've moved on, because that would be the saddest thing.
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2011-05-20, 10:48 | Link #198 |
A blast from the past
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Well, I guess it's a matter of semantics, then. I don't find Jinta relatable, but I am sympathetic toward him and the other characters. In the end, I guess it's still the same feeling, yes?
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2011-05-24, 07:51 | Link #199 |
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Love Hotel on this episode is real
too bad the image link is dead so the image don't appear but this is the link : http://s2.kimag.es/share/59138701.jpg (yeah, this link is dead) Last edited by Rushberry; 2011-05-28 at 08:59. Reason: image link is dead lol |
2012-06-25, 18:40 | Link #200 |
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There's something I really don't understand in this episode, when Naruko "Anaru" Anjō and that dirty guy are standing in front of the love hotel he says something like: "Wouldn't it be a waste though? They're black aren't they?"
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