2021-04-18, 03:26 | Link #82 | |
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By the look of thing 1st cour will probably cover the 1st volume while the 2nd cour will cover up to either 3rd or 4th volume
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2021-04-18, 04:36 | Link #85 |
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Yes, but considering that a lot of handlers aren't exactly discreet people and on top of it other parts of the military apparatus (such as the logistics department as mentioned by Annette in episode 1) know about this as well, it is also a waste of time to keep it secret from the general population. Even more so considering that there isn't exactly a meaningful opposition against the discriminatory treatment of the 86.
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2021-04-18, 05:31 | Link #88 |
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I think we are getting away from the original topic. The original topic was whether the government of the Republic of St. Magnolia is hiding the fact that the 86 are piloting the Juggernauts. Well, hiding something is a an active action and as long as the majority of the population accepts the discrimination of the 86 as non-humans, there is no point at all for the government to spend any energy doing that.
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2021-04-18, 05:34 | Link #89 |
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But that's exactly what's happening though. Pilots are called "processors", mechas "unmanned drones" and war is "bloodless". Juggernouts are compared to legion as "superior drones".
And it make perfect sense because when you face sea of actual massproduced drones it's better to have own unlimited massproduced drones instead of 86ers. After all while they aren't humans, their number is still limited, which is certainly reason to feel danger from legion. Not to mention it makes republic R&D look better, which is important part of propaganda. Deny existence of pilots is far superior propaganda then just dehumanisation of 86ers (which is probably second line of defense so noone cares when they hear some "conspiracy theories") Not mention, we actually don't know if those operators are sloppy with keeping secrets, just because they can be sloppy with lifes of processors. Just because you can get away with one thing noone gives damn about doesn't mean you can get away with other that can get you into jail. It was same during communism. Noone did their job properly and they would even steal materials and goods, but having wrong ideas, that was the line.
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2021-04-18, 05:39 | Link #90 | |
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As long as you do not state how many Juggernauts you lose but rather always trumpet victories and the end point of the war is in sight there is no reason for the population to feel danger. The regular population is siloed so it's not like they notice anything from the war other than not having access to natural agricultural produce.
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2021-04-18, 05:54 | Link #91 |
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Because obviously slopy operators who can't keep mouth shut about 86ers (according to you), are really good in keeping secret when it come to Juggernaut losses...
Anyway whole you reasoning is too complex to really work. Propaganda need to be simple. 86ers aren't human, that's why it's fine to forsake them. Period. Juggernaut are unmaned. Period. There is no reason to draw line between two.
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86 aren't human --> no humans piloting Juggernaut, i.e. unmanned. There is no reason for them to actively hide anything once the discriminatory policy against the 86 has been taken without opposition by the population because from their point of view it is a fact.
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2021-04-18, 06:34 | Link #93 | |
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Not wanting to get involved in this but I just want to make one point: sometimes propaganda doesn't make sense because it's not supposed to be interpreted literally. For example, during the annexation of Crimea when Putin talked about "little green men", we all knew what they actually were. It's doublespeak.
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2021-04-18, 08:58 | Link #96 | |
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Even if you were right, it would be still nothing more then just lucky guess.
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2021-04-18, 12:55 | Link #99 | |
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But let's just agree to disagree.
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2021-04-18, 13:29 | Link #100 |
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Honestly, the one thing that makes me a bit ambivalent towards the series is the borderline cartoonish aspect of the racism.
Sure, racism itself is irrational, so characters acting like bunch of villains when it comes to people with different ethnic features isn't really that surprising. But it is difficult to imagine a country that boasts about noble values while doing stuff that is blatantly against the former. I realize they don't see non alba people as "humans", but with little to no context for that, this part of the story feels incredibly shoehorned. I believe the series should have been more thorough with the infodump regarding the history of the country to make it less jarring. Meanwhile, considering how haughty the Republic is portrayed thus far, I wouldn't be surprised if their assumption regarding the Empire or the Legion is flawed. There is no guarantee the AI didn't evolve after so many years. In other words, the chances that the machines might have circumvented their lifespan limitations are probably quite high. So this is going to look like a very ugly downhill battle on the long run, especially given that the population of the 86 has probably dwindled hard over time if no Alba takes the war seriously.
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