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Polar_Lord · 2010-10-16, 08:26

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If she can get into melee, she can outmatch him in close combat. The problem is doing that; her instinct for deflecting projectiles isn't limitless. He can hit her with dozens or even hundreds of shots at once, some of them so strong they must feel like her arms are being ripped off when she blocks them. And then you've got weapons that can't be sensed, or weapons that have secondary powers, ones designed for slaying dragons that therefore have extra effectiveness on her... she can barely defend against all that while standing still, much less while trying to attack herself.

As for the other thing, Excalibur takes some time to charge too, and Ea can defeat it with only a fraction of its power. So seeing her release the wind field and start to glow gives him ample time to counterattack.

Well Saber could just dodge them instead of blocking every single one. I mean, I think it was established by Cherry quite a few pages back that Gil's sword spam is mostly useless against a lot of of Servants if they can see it coming. Besides, GOB only has NPs up to A++ in level i.e. the same as Excalibur and considering that the only other NPs that are confirmed to be of that level or above are Arondight and Ea, there can't really be that many of them at that level of strength...

Also consider that Lancelot managed to confortably hold off Gil's sword spam in Fate/Zero with Noble Phantasms that are, by probability, lower than A++ in strength so blocking them shouldn't be much trouble for Excalibur right?

Moczo · 2010-10-16, 09:31

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Originally Posted by Polar_Lord

Well Saber could just dodge them instead of blocking every single one. I mean, I think it was established by Cherry quite a few pages back that Gil's sword spam is mostly useless against a lot of of Servants if they can see it coming. Besides, GOB only has NPs up to A++ in level i.e. the same as Excalibur and considering that the only other NPs that are confirmed to be of that level or above are Arondight and Ea, there can't really be that many of them at that level of strength...

Also consider that Lancelot managed to confortably hold off Gil's sword spam in Fate/Zero with Noble Phantasms that are, by probability, lower than A++ in strength so blocking them shouldn't be much trouble for Excalibur right?

She tries exactly that in the game more than once, and it doesn't end up working all that well. She's able to dodge it well enough to keep alive, but she still isn't able to get close to him and he just slowly chips her down. Lancer even says to Assassin in HF that projectiles are useless on him 'unless they are a great Noble Phantasm', implying that even the Protection from Arrows skill is a little bit ineffective against attacks of that level.

Spoiler for Fate/Zero:

RadiantBeam · 2010-10-19, 14:38

A bit random, but are we ever given a description of what Nasu's version of Guinevere looks like? I remember reading somewhere that she and Rin looked similar, but I was wondering if that was officially confirmed anywhere. And if not, is there any description of what she looks like?

Guernsey · 2010-10-21, 20:34

I know I asked this before but how does the whole route thing in FSN work again? It is in alternate timeline, universe, dimension, sotry or whaT?

Haak · 2010-10-22, 02:48

Each route is an alternate timeline.

Polar_Lord · 2010-10-25, 09:29

When Shirou and Saber use Caliburn on Berserker in the Fate route, they don't actually call out its name. Does this mean that they didn't even need to unleash its full power in order to kill Berserker five times?

Haak · 2010-10-25, 12:44

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Originally Posted by Polar_Lord

When Shirou and Saber use Caliburn on Berserker in the Fate route, they don't actually call out its name. Does this mean that they didn't even need to unleash its full power in order to kill Berserker five times?

It just doesn't need to have it's name called out.

Polar_Lord · 2010-10-26, 03:56

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It just doesn't need to have it's name called out.

I can't recall exactly where, but I'm pretty sure it was firmly established that Noble Phantasms (at least the weapon-based ones and not passive ones like God Hand) need to have prana channelled into them AND their true name called out in order for them to be activated.

Haak · 2010-10-26, 12:19

Okay fine. It's a plot hole.

GlancingReverse · 2010-10-26, 17:42

Caliburn doesn't need to be activated. From what I understand, it's just a really sharp sword that was swung really hard.

BetoJR · 2010-10-27, 10:35

Of course it does, so it has the whole wind/energy effect added to it.

On a related note, why do people say/write anything other than Excalibur?

GDB · 2010-10-27, 19:17

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On a related note, why do people say/write anything other than Excalibur?

Because they're different swords. Caliburn is the Sword in the Stone. Excalibur is the sword given to Arthur by the Lady in the Lake.

BetoJR · 2010-10-28, 05:21

Was that distinction ever made in the game, or the anime?

Haak · 2010-10-28, 06:48

I vaguely recall in the anime that Shirou notes that in his dream he sees Saber holding a sword that's different from sword he saw Saber using against Rider.

Also, they do look different.

DragoZERO · 2010-10-28, 08:46

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I vaguely recall in the anime that Shirou notes that in his dream he sees Saber holding a sword that's different from sword he saw Saber using against Rider.

Shirou says he saw it in his dream and he did - that is how he projected it.

The anime was all messed up. When they fought Berserker, the title of the episode was "Sword of Promised Victory" however that is Excalibur...Caliburn was used to defeat Berserker.

I face palmed so much at that title.

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Also, they do look different.

Yeah, Caliburn is fancier and that is why it is weaker than Excalibur. I think I'll take some screen shots from the VN in the near future.

Cherry_Lover · 2010-10-28, 17:48

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Originally Posted by BetoJR

Was that distinction ever made in the game, or the anime?

Yes, in the game at least. It's in the weapon list.

Moczo · 2010-10-28, 19:33

I think it was mentioned in the anime too... after they fought Berserker with it, Saber introduces the sword as Caliburn instead of Excalibur. Not sure if they elaborated further, though.

DragoZERO · 2010-10-28, 19:55

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Originally Posted by BetoJR

Was that distinction ever made in the game, or the anime?

Wait. Hold on. Time out!

Did you play the VN yet!?

BetoJR · 2010-10-28, 23:33

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Wait. Hold on. Time out!

Did you play the VN yet!?

I'm actually in the process of finishing it for the first time, after quite some time of inactivity.

DragoZERO · 2010-10-29, 10:17

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I'm actually in the process of finishing it for the first time, after quite some time of inactivity.

Good....good.

Check out the weapons info though, there is a lot more about each one outside of what's told inside the game.

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