Fate/ Series Q&A

[Blade_Reaper387]

I got a random qn after replayin the game : How can shirou trace avalon (when fightin Gil in fate route). I thought since he cant trace Gil's Ea cuz the materials doesnt exist animore... he wont be able to trace avalon since its forged by fairies in the fairy world (i think)...

Also, i still think archer is able to OWN berserker. I mean surely he can trace caliburn/excalibur and jus stab/cut/blast/or wadever Lol to kill him (12x) so why did HE LOSE ???

[Blade_Lord]

Calliburn and excallibur are different....also i think the major reason why archer lost is because he was hack by saber during their first encounter...glad archer don't have any hard feelings for saber and also volunteer to hold Berserker.

After next weekend when I finish my dissertation will I show precise calculations on how fast Archer can trace.

Take your time...Im sure archer should be able to trace calliburn like shirou did and kill Berserker 7 times at the least..

When archer activates his reality marble how far should you be to not be affected by it??

How does Saber sixth sense work?? By range or what??

No. Only in the dead end.

And what did he alter??

Does the time for charging each of Noble phantasm varies??

How powerful would it be if Gilgamesh EVER decided to use his EA as Broken NP?

Does Saber really deflect Gilgamesh EA in the last battle like in the game??

I read Shirou used Rho Aias to block Dark Excallibur beam blast....
Did all the petal shatters?? How much petal would the real excallibur shatters??

[iamandragon]

Originally Posted by Blade_Reaper387

I got a random qn after replayin the game : How can shirou trace avalon (when fightin Gil in fate route). I thought since he cant trace Gil's Ea cuz the materials doesnt exist animore... he wont be able to trace avalon since its forged by fairies in the fairy world (i think)...

Avalon has been in his body for a long time, so it's no wonder that parts of his body is altered by Avalon. To Shirou in Fate route, Avalon is actually the easiest Noble Phantasm to trace.

Also, i still think archer is able to OWN berserker. I mean surely he can trace caliburn/excalibur and jus stab/cut/blast/or wadever Lol to kill him (12x) so why did HE LOSE ???

Dig a few pages back and find out why and exactly why Archer can never beat Berserker given any condition.

Originally Posted by Blade_Lord

Take your time...Im sure archer should be able to trace calliburn like shirou did and kill Berserker 7 times at the least..

Only true for the first half. The power of Caliburn can only be unleashed when held by its own Saber. That's why you both Shirou and Saber have to hold the sword together in the decisive battle--Shirou to maintain the existence and Saber to unleash its true powrs.

When archer activates his reality marble how far should you be to not be affected by it??

I'll try do calculations next week.

How does Saber sixth sense work?? By range or what??

How does your sixth sense work?

And what did he alter??

Kansha and Bakuya were not altered, only suppressed. The two of the twin blades are so powerful that just wielding the true form of them sucks mana from the user like a whirlpool.

Does the time for charging each of Noble phantasm varies??

Does the time for charging of each laptops varies?

How powerful would it be if Gilgamesh EVER decided to use his EA as Broken NP?

No idea...

Does Saber really deflect Gilgamesh EA in the last battle like in the game??

The anime is false--Avalon was shown completely in the wrong way. But the final slash is the same as the game.

I read Shirou used Rho Aias to block Dark Excallibur beam blast....
Did all the petal shatters?? How much petal would the real excallibur shatters??

Shirou didn't block Excali-beam ver.D with Rho Aias--he reinforced Rider who was charging at Saber with Rho Aias. None of the petal shattered.

[OceanBlue]

Originally Posted by Blade_Reaper387

I got a random qn after replayin the game : How can shirou trace avalon (when fightin Gil in fate route). I thought since he cant trace Gil's Ea cuz the materials doesnt exist animore... he wont be able to trace avalon since its forged by fairies in the fairy world (i think)...

Also, i still think archer is able to OWN berserker. I mean surely he can trace caliburn/excalibur and jus stab/cut/blast/or wadever Lol to kill him (12x) so why did HE LOSE ???

Are you sure Shirou traced Avalon?
I'll have to go through that scene again to figure out what was going on. I don't remember well.
Edit: Seems iamandragon said it.

He can trace Caliburn if he has seen it. We don't know if he has seen it, so we don't know if he can use it. Also, [This is just speculation] Archer might not be able to use Caliburn to the same proficiency that Saber can use it. Realize that the reason Caliburnn broke for Saber in her first life back in Britain was because she went against the code of chivalry. I doubt Archer follows the code of chivalry, so it probably wouldn't be effective for him.
He cannot use a full-powered Excalibur blast, and God's Hand allows Berserker to be immune [I might need confirmation on "immunity"] to it in the future if he survives.

[iamandragon]

Originally Posted by OceanBlue

Are you sure Shirou traced Avalon?
I'll have to go through that scene again to figure out what was going on. I don't remember well.
Edit: Seems iamandragon said it.

He can trace Caliburn if he has seen it. We don't know if he has seen it, so we don't know if he can use it. Also, [This is just speculation] Archer might not be able to use Caliburn to the same proficiency that Saber can use it. Realize that the reason Caliburnn broke for Saber in her first life back in Britain was because she went against the code of chivalry. I doubt Archer follows the code of chivalry, so it probably wouldn't be effective for him.
He cannot use a full-powered Excalibur blast, and God's Hand allows Berserker to be immune [I might need confirmation on "immunity"] to it in the future if he survives.

Yes indeed--the immunity part is correct.

[Blade_Lord]

Does the time for charging of each laptops varies?

Truth to be told i only touch a laptop once and that belong to my friend so i didnt know how lo0ng does it take to charge each one...

How does your sixth sense work?

Saber detects something when Suichirou about to punch her but in manga when archer snipe rider who was very closed to her and yet she only know it when the shoulder of rider is blasted away...

Just wondering who is Lancer's master at the moment he fought Saber... is it Kotomine or bazzete?

How does Lancer knows that archer's class is not Saber by just looking at the clothing....

Spoiler for Fate Zero:

Who is Iskandar/Alexander's master??
Which 'reality marble' will prevail if Unlimited Blade Works is activated after Alexander's Army of the King ??

[iamandragon]

Originally Posted by Blade_Lord

Spoiler for Fate Zero:

Who is Iskandar/Alexander's master??
Which 'reality marble' will prevail if Unlimited Blade Works is activated after Alexander's Army of the King ??

#Waver Velvet
#Depends on who's will is stronger.

[jkalltheway]

Question regarding the game, Is there a second H scene with Tohsaka? I was looking at the CG and there seems to be another one, first one being in the room, the second one being in school, in the classroom.

[OceanBlue]

That's in the Heaven's Feel Route, and...

Spoiler:

That's not Rin. That's Rider trying to get some of Shirou's mana.

[jkalltheway]

ah explains a lot. thanks a lot.

[sainclaire]

In the anime, in the 16th episode, Shirou traces a sword called caliburn to defeat beserker. In british folklore, caliburn was the sword in the stone and completely different from excalibur. So whats the sword Saber carries normally? I would assume it to be excalibur but if excalibur couldn't defeat beserker, doesn't that imply caliburn is more powerful than excalibur which shouldn't be the case?

Whats even weirder, the title of the ep is "Excalibur, the sword that brings the promised victory" but the sword shirou traced was definitely established as caliburn because Saber called it that when he traced it.

[Blade_Lord]

Translation problem... Excallibur can defeat Berserker I think...

Ill post back the two question here:

Just wondering who is Lancer's master at the moment he fought Saber... is it Kotomine or bazzete?

How does Lancer knows that archer's class is not Saber by just looking at the clothing....

And a few more question coming...

Why did True assassin and his master make their debut in the 2 other Fate route?

If avenger was summoned during the third(or is it fourth) Holy grail war then which class did he replaced???

Iamandragon, you said that saber should be able to defeat archer easily because of their status... May I know what do you mean by this word... Are you referring to her strength, skill mana Noble phantasm or battle experience??

Let me get this straight during the fight against gilgamesh did shirou break Gilgamesh noble phantasm or not??(I'm referring to the part where they fight as swordsman) If he did shouldn't archer be able to do the same thing??

When servants got their noble phantasm broken will they be able to use it in the next war??(provided they are summoned in the next Holy grail war...)

I don't understand this anti-???...I mean is this the one which determine the rank of the noble phantasm??

[iamandragon]

Originally Posted by sainclaire

In the anime, in the 16th episode, Shirou traces a sword called caliburn to defeat beserker. In british folklore, caliburn was the sword in the stone and completely different from excalibur. So whats the sword Saber carries normally? I would assume it to be excalibur but if excalibur couldn't defeat beserker, doesn't that imply caliburn is more powerful than excalibur which shouldn't be the case?

Originally Posted by Blade_Lord

Translation problem... Excallibur can defeat Berserker I think...

No, Excalibur is more powerful, the only problem is Saber does not have enough mana in her to unleash Excalibur's power...in the game, if Shirou didn't stop Saber from using Excalibur during the fight, she'll put all her mana in Excalibur(which is around 25, compared to 1000 of Excalibur's requirement) and it still unleashed an attack that scorched the area around them and took out one of Berserker's lives.(see Tiger Dojo #8)

Whats even weirder, the title of the ep is "Excalibur, the sword that brings the promised victory" but the sword shirou traced was definitely established as caliburn because Saber called it that when he traced it.

The episode's name is 'the promised sword of victory', which is, yes, the name of Excalibur--Caliburn's name is 'the golden sword of victory'.

Just wondering who is Lancer's master at the moment he fought Saber... is it Kotomine or bazzete?

Kotomine has been Lancer's master ever since the beginning of Day 1 of the game. (See F/HA)

How does Lancer knows that archer's class is not Saber by just looking at the clothing....

Hmm...where's it again? Can you point us out when and where did Lancer said that?

Why did True assassin and his master make their debut in the 2 other Fate route?

They didn't.

If avenger was summoned during the third(or is it fourth) Holy grail war then which class did he replaced???

Berserker..IIRC

Iamandragon, you said that saber should be able to defeat archer easily because of their status... May I know what do you mean by this word... Are you referring to her strength, skill mana Noble phantasm or battle experience??

All of them. Also, their class made the difference. ability given to Archer class heros are Magic Resistance(D) and Independent Action(B), which gives no advantage to one in one-on-one combat, while Saber has Magic Resistance(A) and Riding(B), the later can significantly improve combat ability. (see F/Z) Also, Archer has the inherit skill Clairvoyance(C), Magic(C), and Mind's Eye(B), the first being useless in combat, the second nullified by Saber's Magic Resistance(A) and the third being outclassed by Instinct(A). Saber also got the inherit skill Mana Burst which is the dream for all fighters...

Let me get this straight during the fight against gilgamesh did shirou break Gilgamesh noble phantasm or not??(I'm referring to the part where they fight as swordsman) If he did shouldn't archer be able to do the same thing??

You mean the final fight right? No. He just canceled out all of Gilgamesh's attacks. He doesn't have enough mana/knowledge to use Broken Phantasm.

When servants got their noble phantasm broken will they be able to use it in the next war??(provided they are summoned in the next Holy grail war...)

The servant that lost their Noble Phantasm will not. However, since the servants fighting the HG War are just a copy of the original one, they'll disappear in the end anyway...every HG War are fought with different servants, even they're of the same identity...

I don't understand this anti-???...I mean is this the one which determine the rank of the noble phantasm??

No, it's anti-XX only determines the property of their Noble Phantasm. For example, an anti-personal Noble Phantasm excels when it's used against one target, but there's no stopping Lancer from thrusting Gae Golg at a wall...

[Blade_Lord]

Hmm...where's it again? Can you point us out when and where did Lancer said that?

Its in the manga when lancer assault is blocked by archer's twin sword...
Lancer: What the hell are you? You dont look like Saber??
Archer: Are you asking for my class? Then I'll tell you that I'm archer.
Lancer: Don't f*** with me!! I've never heard of archer with swords!!

More questions:

Does servant needs to hold their noble phantasms to turn it into broken NP?? I mean can't Gilgamesh fire those noble phantasm as broken one??

No, Excalibur is more powerful, the only problem is Saber does not have enough mana in her to unleash Excalibur's power...in the game, if Shirou didn't stop Saber from using Excalibur during the fight, she'll put all her mana in Excalibur(which is around 25, compared to 1000 of Excalibur's requirement) and it still unleashed an attack that scorched the area around them and took out one of Berserker's lives.(see Tiger Dojo #8)

So your telling me Shirou supply of mana only that much??


I should rephrase my question:

Why didn't True assassin and his master don't make their debut in the two other fate routes??

I read that when servant dies their power went into the holy grail is that correct??

How many times did archer kill Berserker?? I read in wiki its actually six but the fate project rewrote it into five... If that's true then why did they do so?? Are they trying to prevent archer from looking overpowered??

Berserker..IIRC

What is IIRC??

If anti-XX does not determine the rank of NP what does?

Fate/Hollow ataxaria is a fan-made...are they really reliable source of info??

What is mind's eye?? And how can it be cancelled by saber's instinct??

Reincarnated_Avenger: Does anyone know what is the catalyst used to summoned angra mainyu??

Iamandragon: Mayonese..

Another metaphor?? Or are you being sarcastic that time??

How much mana reserve does Saber has??

When archer traced Noble phantasm the NP he projected is lowered by one rank...Why??
And can someone tell me how much one rank difference is??

[OceanBlue]

Random stuff about your questions:

The manga isn't canon. The fault in that lies with the mangaka, not with Fate/Stay Night.

Fate/Hollow Ataraxia isn't fanmade. It's a fan-disc made by Type-Moon.
As in, for the fans, not by fans.

Originally Posted by Fuyuki Wiki

Eye of the Mind (True) - Perception/judgment ability gained through training.
B: Calm analysis of battle situation and conclusion of action during a tight spot through "theory of battle". As long as there is a 1% chance of turning the tables on the opponent, can execute a strategy to reel in that chance.

Originally Posted by Fuyuki Wiki

Instinct - The constant ability to "feel" the most appropriate development during a battle for oneself.
A: Close to sharpenned sixth sense or prediction of the future. Reduces effects of visual and auditory obstructions by half.

When a servant dies, their power is used to summon the Holy Grail. So yes, it goes into the Grail.

Tracing in general lowers the rank of one Noble Phantasm by 1.

Originally Posted by Fate/Stay Night

"Servant... Lancer-----------"
"That's right. And your servant is Saber ... Or maybe not. Who the hell are you?
There's no sign of his previous casual demeanor.
[Fill in rest of text].
"...Heh. You're not the type to engage in one-on-one combat. So you must be Archer."

He finds out through speculation and analysis.

Archer kills Berserker 6 times.

The reason True Assassin and his master don't make appearances in the other routes is because Fate/Stay Night runs on the alternate universes idea. Basically, something that happens in one might not happen in another [due to things not happening in the past, things happening in the past, the choice of a person, etc.], causing different paths [routes] within the different dimensions.
Something like that, anyways.

Ah, I figured out why I couldn't find Marble Phantasm on Fuyuki. It's in Parameters, not spells.

[Blade_Lord]

Originally Posted by Fate/Stay Night
"Servant... Lancer-----------"
"That's right. And your servant is Saber ... Or maybe not. Who the hell are you?
There's no sign of his previous casual demeanor.
[Fill in rest of text].
"...Heh. You're not the type to engage in one-on-one combat. So you must be Archer."

And yet archer defend himself spectacularly during his fight against Lancer. He's able to hold in his own me lee combat. So what gives?
Unless archer uses his bow during that encounter he can also be thought of as rider or even assassin....Definitely not Berserker as he retains his ability to talk nor can he be caster...a weak magi like him would be a laughing stock to those of caster class..

Alternate universe...sure but the peeps living there are still the same right?? I mean unless true assassin and his master got kill by other servant/master (which nasu should tell us FSN fans) they should still show up in those two... Or does nasu prepared a bad ending to those two in the third holy grail war...

[OceanBlue]

He's able to defend himself well. It's already shown that although Archer was able to survive a serious Lancer, he ended up severely damaged while Lancer more-or-less didn't gain much damage. Saber shows that even if she was summoned by Shirou and had her stats reduced, she is able to fight off Lancer.

Remember, Lancer's power could be affected by the command that his master placed on him. I'm not sure what the exact command was, but since Lancer was only allowed to scout at that point, it could be that the command seal reduced his stats by one rank.

He can't be thought of as Assassin. Assassins specialize in Presence Concealment and are generally of the Hassans.

It's also possible that it was an accurate guess. Nasu is a human writer, so it's not like everything can be explained in a concise manner.

Why should they show up in the other two? We have no idea of Sakura's history in two routes and Saber's motivation isn't touched on as much in UBW.

Seeing as I haven't played the route, it could be that the mobilization of True Assassin and his master are caused by Sakura, but since Sakura is left out of two routes, they aren't used in the two routes.

[iamandragon]

Too many questions to answer...it's spoiler sorting time--I won't be posting any spoilers in this post so feel free to open any spoilrs!

Spoiler for Lancer recognizing Archer:

Originally Posted by Blade_Lord

Its in the manga when lancer assault is blocked by archer's twin sword...
Lancer: What the hell are you? You dont look like Saber??
Archer: Are you asking for my class? Then I'll tell you that I'm archer.
Lancer: Don't f*** with me!! I've never heard of archer with swords!!

I'll come back in a while after I check it out...

Spoiler for Broken Phantasms:

Does servant needs to hold their noble phantasms to turn it into broken NP?? I mean can't Gilgamesh fire those noble phantasm as broken one??

No you don't need to hold them to turn them into broken Noble Phantasms--all you need is to have someone smash it into pieces...
Oh you mean use 'Broken Phantasm' right? That I'm not sure about it. In theory, any servants can use broken phantasms, as long as the noble phantasm in question belong to them, though I have no idea why he didn't do it--maybe out of his male pride that his weapons are superior to the faker's...

Spoiler for Shirou's low mana supply:

So your telling me Shirou supply of mana only that much??

Because he wasn't of magic heritage.
Because he didn't practice properly.
He cannot open up all his magic circuits.

For a magician, the amount of mana is dominated by two things:
The amount of magic circuits they have.
The capacity of each magic circuit.

The former is determined when they are born, but it is possible to add extra magic circuits to one person, though it is too risky and thus not done by any with less than a few exception.

The second determined by...when they train, but it is impossible to improve the capacity of each circuits. Most magicians train to use their magic more efficiently/discover new magic instead of trying to increase their amount mana.

Normal magus usually have around 20 magic circuits, and when they 'open up' their magic circuits, 'mana' flow through them, allow the magi to perform various mystery. For Shirou's case, his mana capacity is around 5 for each of his circuits, and because of improper training, he created 27(or 26? someone remind me...) magic circuits. In theory he should have a large amount of mana, though he did not learn how to open up magic circuits, causing a maximum of 3 magic circuits to be opened up each time unless he is in his 'hot blood' mode...

Shirou actually have an amazing mana reserve, only problem is that he can't use it...

Spoiler for Why they didn't show up?:

I should rephrase my question:

Why didn't True assassin and his master don't make their debut in the two other fate routes??

Spoiler--pm me to get the answer...

Spoiler for after servants dies...?:

I read that when servant dies their power went into the holy grail is that correct??

Yes.

Spoiler for Berserker's death count:

How many times did archer kill Berserker?? I read in wiki its actually six but the fate project rewrote it into five... If that's true then why did they do so?? Are they trying to prevent archer from looking overpowered??

6. No idea why for the second question though.

What is IIRC??

If I Recall Correctly

Spoiler for NP's ranking:

If anti-XX does not determine the rank of NP what does?

It's own rank...?

Spoiler for is F/HA reliable?:

Fate/Hollow ataxaria is a fan-made...are they really reliable source of info??

Most of the story are fan made, but they are carefully chosen by T-Moon themselves.

Spoiler for Archer vs Saber!:

What is mind's eye?? And how can it be cancelled by saber's instinct??

Mind Eye: A 'combat logic' that allows for calmly analysis of the situation and the enemy's ability in spite of danger, and consideration of all possible actions in a particular situation.
Instinct: The ability to 'feel' the best course of action for oneself during combat.
Both skill allows the servant to choose the best course of action, but Saber can do it without even analyzing, considering and choosing as she can just 'feel' it with her sixth sense. More ever, Archer's Mind Eye is only at rank B while Saber's at rank A, which is something close to 'predicting'...

Spoiler for Angry Mayo:

Another metaphor?? Or are you being sarcastic that time??

It was a joke. I have a tendency to say 'Angry Mayo' instead of 'Angra Mainya', so what's the thing closest to an angry mayonnaise?
I mis-spelled Mayonnaise though...

Spoiler for Saber's mana reserve:

How much mana reserve does Saber has??

A little over 1000...since using Excalibur drains her so much that she faints afterwards...Saber mentioned that she need 10 mana to maintain in the real world, so I suspect it's somewhere above 1010...

Spoiler for Archer and projected weapons:

When archer traced Noble phantasm the NP he projected is lowered by one rank...Why??
And can someone tell me how much one rank difference is??

Because it is a fake one--no matter how close to the original the traced object always have some flaws in it...

Originally Posted by OceanBlue

The reason True Assassin and his master don't make appearances in the other routes is because Fate/Stay Night runs on the alternate universes idea. Basically, something that happens in one might not happen in another [due to things not happening in the past, things happening in the past, the choice of a person, etc.], causing different paths [routes] within the different dimensions.
Something like that, anyways.

Wrong! F/SN run on a 'small choice alters future' idea. Again, pm me to find out why.

Originally Posted by Blade_Lord

And yet archer defend himself spectacularly during his fight against Lancer. He's able to hold in his own me lee combat. So what gives?
Unless archer uses his bow during that encounter he can also be thought of as rider or even assassin....Definitely not Berserker as he retains his ability to talk nor can he be caster...a weak magi like him would be a laughing stock to those of caster class..

That is because Lancer was ordered to hold back. He was given the orders 'gather information form all servants, but avoid dangers as much as possible' so Lancer is actually fighting defensively against Archer, putting all his mind on surviving and getting out later.

[sainclaire]

No, Excalibur is more powerful, the only problem is Saber does not have enough mana in her to unleash Excalibur's power...in the game, if Shirou didn't stop Saber from using Excalibur during the fight, she'll put all her mana in Excalibur(which is around 25, compared to 1000 of Excalibur's requirement) and it still unleashed an attack that scorched the area around them and took out one of Berserker's lives.(see Tiger Dojo #8)

But then in the anime, how did "caliburn" take out all of beserker's lives with one hit? or is it a translation error like Blade_Lord said? In the episode, Saber referred to the sword Shirou traced as "caliburn". Does that mean if excalibur was at its full potential, it would have taken all of beserker's lives as well?

[iamandragon]

Originally Posted by sainclaire

But then in the anime, how did "caliburn" take out all of beserker's lives with one hit? or is it a translation error like Blade_Lord said? In the episode, Saber referred to the sword Shirou traced as "caliburn". Does that mean if excalibur was at its full potential, it would have taken all of beserker's lives as well?

Caliburn is simply powerful enough to take out 7 lives of Berserker with one hit because of its power--and all 12 in 1 go with a fully, properly charged Excali-beam, according to Illya. (see bad end 8)