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This child has nothing to gain from having someone solve the epitaph. The gold of the Golden Land belongs to this child. She had absolutely no need to make you find it for her or to snatch it away herself. Whether the epitaph's riddle is solved or not, this child stands nothing to gain at all. Regardless of whether the epitaph is solved or not, Beato has nothing to gain. That is all Virgilia has to say on the matter. She never uses the terms 'has nothing to lose.' Quote:
By the way, anyone who's worked multiple roles in a stage theatre can tell you that switching costumes is literally nothing. I was in Drama in high school and switched between elaborate male and female costumes in less than three minutes. Your theory isn't logical. Genji and Kumasawa are known to be part of Yasu's secret and be in on her schemes; she doesn't need to command them by phone, just tell them something when they're alone in the halls, it's not complicated. Furthermore, Yasu wouldn't be an 18th human anymore than Beatrice would because she doesn't bring an extra body to the table Quote:
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It's also said that 'Beatrice' would reclaim the gold, does that mean that Kinzo recognizes Yasu as 'Beatrice' and handed her the gold? Quote:
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Isn't it kind of interesting that both the Kuwadorian Beatrice and the baby from 19 years ago fell off a cliff? I purpose that the Kuwadorian Beatrice was Yasu! 19 years ago, Yasu died. Quote:
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However, Battler was the detective and the only exception is the 5th game. The detective can't be the culprit And I don't see how Battler's character is white-washed. He's a pervert, and to be honest he's nowhere near Kyrie's intellect. But, he truly has compassion for his family members and would never murder them so horribly like in the games! Quote:
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2013-07-31, 16:50 | Link #32625 | |||||||||
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But remember, Beatrice is spinning a yarn. She doesn't need to reclaim the gold anymore than she needs to revive. She has nothing to gain after all. Quote:
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Also, Beatrice the Witch is restrained to Rokkenjima. Shannon and Kanon have the same sort of issue. Rosa does not. Quote:
Yasu was raised as a servant. Both of them falling off a cliff is just one of those instances of synchronicity that lead to Kinzo's insanity. He even laments over the Baby from 19 Years Ago falling off of the baby just like Beatrice did, like the fates are toying with him. Also, the fact of the matter is that Natsuhi was handed a baby 19 years ago that fell off a cliff. No matter how you splice it, too cliff falls happened. Your argument doesn't even help your case. Quote:
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2013-07-31, 17:57 | Link #32626 |
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It has been a long time since I posted here. I reread the first episode of Umineko and something about the credits made me wonder about something.
The credits states that the only thing that could be found was a piece of Maria's jaw but nothing else. As well makes no mention of any of the other ushiromiya family's corpses(if there are any). While I understand that it is a hint on the nature of the explosives that created the catbox. When I read episode 7 the first time which basically confirmed that there is a bomb, I assumed that the bomb destroyed most of Maria's body but left the piece of jaw since another interpretation didn't occur to me at the time. I wonder instead, if it is more likely that the culprit killed Maria via severe head trauma which resulted in a piece of her jaw being broken off at a location not within the radius of the bomb? Severe head trauma seems like common MO within the stories, not far fetched to think even the corpses in shed had pieces of their jaw broken off. Also a common MO in the story that Maria is always treated the most kindly in terms of deaths by the culprit in the stories. Even in the final scene that Maria was getting along with Beatrice before the bomb went off. Furthermore that there seems to be intact piece of jaw that can be found but the rest of her body cannot indicate that someone tried to cover up her death by putting her body in the vicinity of the explosion while where Maria died she left behind a piece of her jaw? The questionable tea party in episode 7 seems to indicate that the bomb was used for a cover up and the whole incident was a huge cover up. Or am I putting too much thought into that minor detail and an explosion of the magnitude that was described can really destroy that much of a body but still keep a small piece of it left. Just wondering on what others thought on the topic. |
2013-08-01, 00:12 | Link #32628 | |
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Let's all hope it wasn't Erika who went on a rampage a la Episode 6 that caused the only-recoverable jaw. Last edited by Witch of Uncertainty; 2013-08-01 at 02:17. |
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Bernkastel: "......I hope we can find another charming tale like this one." Lambdadelta: "Next time, I hope you aren't playing the villain again, Bern." Bernkastel: "You think so? Being the bad guy was pretty fun." Quote:
Wow, yeah that makes perfect sense. |
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2013-08-01, 10:56 | Link #32631 | |
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We also already know that no one in the story managed to solve the epitaph completely by oneself. Even Eva needed multiple hints by others until she managed to do it. Battler being helped by "Kinzo" could be indication that he was helped at that point by someone else, that means only in finding out that the statue looked different all of a sudden (which was hard to see because it was the middle of the night). Solving the actual epitaph is something he probably really did with Erika.
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2013-08-01, 11:15 | Link #32632 | |
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I do think this is probably what Bern should have been doing, and it's supported by her initial trajectory in the first four episodes. But it's a crock of shit for Ryukishi to suggest she was just playing along otherwise when she's given almost no rational reason to do so. There's also nothing to suggest when she started "playing the villain" or why. Arguably her only purpose for doing so is to shape the path of the narrative with Lambda in such a fashion as to bring the story to its close. Except:
I mean for Genius Battler at least there's repeated hints in ep6 and one in ep8. I've tried looking for something to suggest Bern isn't serious about her various efforts in Chiru and I can't really find anything. For example, I don't see why she'd be so aggressive about hurting Clair and Lion, then trying to outright kill Lion, then happily trying to kill Lion and Will, to the point that Lambda had to rescue the two of them. Or why she's deliberately trolling Ange to death in the ep7 Tea Party when she has a much more subtle and creative way of trolling Ange into agreeing with her (and Erika) in ep8. It just doesn't really add up, and one line can't patch that. Unless it's for comedy, like that one ending of Clue. Plus, it's possible to read that line as Bern reflecting on the role she did end up playing (and all the fun she had sincerely doing it) rather than saying "oh yeah that whole time I was just fuckin' with ya." The text would support this second interpretation.
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2013-08-02, 04:07 | Link #32634 |
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I think that thing in the EP8 tea party was just a bit of meta-meta-commentary, really. The fourth wall was already thoroughly broken by that point, and right after that line they say they'll meet again "when something else cries". So I think that they were just commenting on their roles in Umineko as a whole; Lambda is hoping that Bern will be on the side of good again in the next game, like she was in Higurashi, while Bern is saying that it was kind of fun to be cast as the villain for a change. So it is basically just a commentary on how Rika and Miyoko are reused from game to game, but appearing in different forms each time. I'm sure they'll be reinvented again for the next WTC.
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My main questions are: What was Battler actually thinking and doing during the span of time that he was not having a vision of Kinzo? Why did Battler lie? Why are Battler's thoughts at that time hidden to us? Quote:
More like... for Bern and Lambda, the issue of "good/evil" is subservient to "interesting/boring". They just fall into good or evil roles depending on the story they're involved in, and within the context of those roles they press the story forward. |
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2013-08-02, 15:20 | Link #32637 | |
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On a side note, I've been hearing that according to R7, the next When They Cry will commence after RGD is finished. Probably will get first novel in summer 2014.
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2013-08-03, 02:26 | Link #32638 |
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Is it not possible Battler just ... solved the epitaph, normally? After all, due to Erika's presence it's the only time he considers it with the adults and their clues, as well
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