[Manga] Chapter 440 Discussion

[DarkHollowIchigo]

Originally Posted by Mists

I am a bit confused how Naruto is standing the way he is, much less in Sage mode...

it was like 2 tails he passed out from being sealed by Kakashi, 4 he passed out from Yamato and 8, he looks a good as new as if he's just beginning the battle!?

If you read the chapter again, you see that Naruto's father Minato the 4th hokage restrength the seal again.

[Mists]

Originally Posted by DarkHollowIchigo

If you read the chapter again, you see that Naruto's father Minato the 4th hokage restrength the seal again.

Yeah but I never was under the impression the transformations in the past caused damage to Naruto's body because of the seal weakening......I thought it was always the transformations themselves.

Then again, Gaara and 8-tails (and seemingly 2-tail) are able to transform without harm done to them.

[DarkHollowIchigo]

Originally Posted by Mists

Yeah but I never was under the impression the transformations in the past caused damage to Naruto's body because of the seal weakening......I thought it was always the transformations themselves.

Then again, Gaara and 8-tails (and seemingly 2-tail) are able to transform without harm done to them.

You also saw that Naruto was bleeding out of his stomach..the seal was gone, there was a hole wich dropped blood. That could be a indication that Naruto's body was in pain also, but once Minato re-strenght the seal the hole was gone. I think that also happend to Naruto's body, it reversed the injuries and Naruto even came out stronger in Sage mode.

[kodok_balls]

Originally Posted by Blaine

Possible spoiler for 441 seems a little early so IMO is probably fake, though you never know.

Spoiler:

source : http://www.mangaspoiler.com/naruto-441-raw-spoiler


Probability Title : The Final Battle Naruto vs Pain
Salvation, a result of peace

(Naruto in Sage Mode looks down at Pain.)

“Gathering Sage Chakra took no time at all. It must be the experience from the shadow clones. Still, I’ll have to end this one quickly, I’ve gone aways from Konoha, so the scroll is no use to me,” said Naruto.

“Naruto, you’re back,” said Katsuyu. “You were here this whole time? How did you survive,” asked Naruto. “Although my body may be split up, my chakra resistance allows me to constantly heal the damage, no biggie,” said Katusyu.

“I wonder,” said Naruto. (He closes his eyes. He then starts to smile.) “She’s alive, I’m so relieved,” said Naruto. (He gets slightly teary eyed.) “What are you waiting for Naruto,” asked Katsuyu. (Naruto makes the Shadow clone jutsu handsign.) “Don’t worry, I was just gathering Sage chakra. I’ll need a lot of it to defeat him,” said Naruto.

(Three shadow clones appear. Pain closes his hands. The walls of Chibaku Tensei begins to heal.)

“So its closing on us, he’ll probably try to carry me away,” said Naruto. (Chikbaku Tensei closes.)

Switch Scene to Nagato:

(Nagato is breathing harshly)

“He reverted back to his normal state. This is fine,” said Nagato. “Nagato, please, you’ve done enough. If you can’t subdue him, have Madara handle things, I can’t bare to see you like this,” said Konan.

“Fool. Madara only wants power. He has no means for peace. If I lose control of the tailed beasts, that’s fine, all I really need is the Kyuubi. I’ve seen its power through Pain’s eyes, its power alone is enough. Its been a long time Konan, but its here, its so close,” said Nagato.

Switch to Inside Chibaku Tensei:

(There are 4 Narutos, each holding dual ultimate sized Oodama Rasengan. The outside of Chibaku Tensei cracks. Pain takes notice.)

“What’s that,” asked Pain as he looks on. “Sage Tech: Oodama Rasen Maruchipuru,” said Naruto. (An enormous explosion of chakra pierces Chibaku Tensei’s outer shell. It later eradicates. Pain evacuates to a safer distance.)

“Unreal. To deal out so much chakra without the Fox’s power,” said Pain.

(The 4 Naruto rush out of the smoke and are landing toward Pain’s location. They make Rasen Shuriken. Naruto throws it. Pain prepares to counter while it is incoming however, the jutsu misses God Realm and strikes the ground nearby. He notices that he’s being trapped in the jutsu’s spiral radius.. Basically Rasen Shuriken in a dome form like against Kakazu)

“He struck a surface to give his technique a different property,” said Pain. (Pain uses a larger scaled Shinra Tensei disperses Rasen Shuriken before the blades of wind begins to rain upon him. Immediately after canceling Rasen Shuriken, another Rasen Shuriken is flying towards him.)

“Damn,” said Pain. (The Narutos are already rushing it. Pain cancels it. Immediately following afterwards. The 4 Naruto are surronding Pain. They each have Rasen Rengan.)

“Sage Tech: Rasen Maruchipuru,” said Naruto. (From all angles in close range, God Realm is punished by eight Rasengan in total. A mini explosion ignites and Naruto is thrown back. He is no longer in Sage Mode. It is shown that God Realm has spirals all over his body, as a result of the technique. He falls flat on the ground.)

“I was able to deflect it to some degree, but it was no use. My the interval, you must have found your way around it. Tell me something Uzumaki? How do you plan to end this world of hatred and bring peace to the shinobi world? Let me here your answer,” said Pain.

(Naruto walks over to Pain.)

“As long as this world is like this, people like you will be born. As long as people like you are going to be born, the world will never see peace. I don’t know the answer yet. But stopping you here will only bring me closer to the truth. That is my answer,” said Naruto.

(Pain grabs Naruto’s pants leg.)

“Stop Madara. If you even think you have at least the smallest glimpse of hope in your fantasy dream, stopping Madara may up your chances by a small percent fraction at best,” said Pain. (God Realm’s eyes return back to human eyes. Then they close)

Switch Scene to Nagato:

(His eyes are closed to)

“Don’t stop talking Nagato. Open your eyes. No. Don’t stop talking yet. Say something,” yelled Konan.

Next Chapter: A new beginning

nyahahaa.. it looks like i've been reading a short story than a spoiler. Totally fake and totally the dreamer like typical who like to made up their own story. a psycho I guess

[ragnos007]

Originally Posted by Rurik

Apart that is really long, When did Naruto learned that Pain's name is Negato?

and that the masked man is madara

[FireDetei]

Originally Posted by ragnos007

and that the masked man is madara

He knows of a masked man in Ataksuki (they've met before) and Yondaime said it's his fault.....but not of his identity. The only knowledge of Mandara is when Sasuke was inside his head and Kyuubi mentioned it, but Naruto cannot connect the dots and he's missing the inbetween information we have!

[ragnos007]

Originally Posted by FireDetei

He knows of a masked man in Ataksuki (they've met before) and Yondaime said it's his fault.....but not of his identity. The only knowledge of Mandara is when Sasuke was inside his head and Kyuubi mentioned it, but Naruto cannot connect the dots and he's missing the inbetween information we have!

Exactly. i hope that wasn't directed at me because what i was saying that he doesnt know that guys name.

[Goshin]

kool hinata fans rejoice....

I can't believes naruto thinks more villagers might be wiped by pein. did he forget that he helped with the damage....

more importantly how the hell did katsUYA survive in his his pocket. if katsuya withstood kyuubii chakra.....

[Mr. Johnny 5]

You know...that is the best question there is.

We know a certain person transformed into the Hulk. And after he turned back his clothes were all messed up. Naruto even if fully healed should be.....should be naked.

He totally changed his shape into that of a physical bigger being then Gamakchi and almost the full Kyuubi which most certainly bigger then Gamabunta who probably is the strongest and biggest frog. So Naruto with his own stretch clothing shouldnt be even possible .

So Katsuya in Naruto's pocket ...that smells like total slugg..

Hmm.... to be honest... i am more excited about what is yet to come with Danzou, Naruto (promotion? banished? ??) and Tsunade or the village getting rebuild or riots or whatever.. then the outcome of this battle.

I think it's likely that Killerbee might become the victim of Madara just to show that no one can match him. Naruto will train his ass of yet again....hopefully mental Yondaime training.
Learning perhaps new variations of Hiraishin to be able to even touch Madara.
Kabuto (Orochimaru) completed...(who will always remain my no. 1# Villain in Naruto)
Sasuke getting hunted by Akatsuki for his failure...ohh the possibilities!!

[james0246]

^Gaara, Yugito, the 4-Tails Jinchuuriki (the oldish looking dude that Kisame caught), and Kirabi never had any problems with their clothing surviving full transformations, so why should Naruto?

As for Katsuya surviving...maybe the Kyuubi shroud formed over it... (much the same as Princess Mononoke/San was caught underneath the Boar God Okkoto's demonic shroud when he became corrupted).

That being said, I agree with your assessment of the future of Kirabi. That seems like a very likely outcome.

[FireDetei]

I've never seen it to be like the Hulk transformation. When the hulk transformed his body grey muslces etc....but when Naruto releases the chakra, his body is still the same, just covered in a shield like. So Naruto's cloths shouldnt be ripped due to size, maybe the fact that the chakra burns everything but hey! Look at it another way.

We know that Naruto has somehow absorbed and got used to the Kyuubi chakra so instead of burning him like everyone else, perhaps his cloths have too! i mean he hasnt changed in atleast 2-3 years!! so perhaps they've just got used too it too and it doesnt hurt them like Sakura/Orochimaru

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

We know a certain person transformed into the Hulk. And after he turned back his clothes were all messed up. Naruto even if fully healed should be.....should be naked.

It was never said that this is transformation, on the contrary. Just remember Gaara: he was somehow inside the demon, then his upper body got out of the sand-demon and so Naruto could hit his head to wake him up. Or take for example KillerBee, he was hiding in a tentacle, and while the tentacle still existed the demon was already with/in KillerBee who was in the tentacle cut off by Sasuke, while KillerBee made a kagebunshin-like body that was carried away by Sasuke.

I wouldn't call this transformation, it's more like releasing the chakra of the demon which then materializes the demon's body, the host's body is probably turned into pure chakra and the demon's and host's chakra are mixed togethere but when the demon is released it is his body that contains the host. Since the demon and the host act like one entity they can manifest as the host's body or as the demon's body.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Originally Posted by james0246

^Gaara, Yugito, the 4-Tails Jinchuuriki (the oldish looking dude that Kisame caught), and Kirabi never had any problems with their clothing surviving full transformations, so why should Naruto?

As for Katsuya surviving...maybe the Kyuubi shroud formed over it... (much the same as Princess Mononoke/San was caught underneath the Boar God Okkoto's demonic shroud when he became corrupted).

That being said, I agree with your assessment of the future of Kirabi. That seems like a very likely outcome.

Hmmm... yeah well...it's not like i wouldnt find it strange even compared to the other jinchuuriki's. It is strange to me. Since Chakra can definetly inflict physical damage it would surely be normal if clothes would get damaged aswell. correct?

Originally Posted by FireDetei

I've never seen it to be like the Hulk transformation. When the hulk transformed his body grey muslces etc....but when Naruto releases the chakra, his body is still the same, just covered in a shield like. So Naruto's cloths shouldnt be ripped due to size, maybe the fact that the chakra burns everything but hey! Look at it another way.

We know that Naruto has somehow absorbed and got used to the Kyuubi chakra so instead of burning him like everyone else, perhaps his cloths have too! i mean he hasnt changed in atleast 2-3 years!! so perhaps they've just got used too it too and it doesnt hurt them like Sakura/Orochimaru

Haha that's a really hilarious theory. I reminds me of Kiba who couldnt smell his own clothes. When he faced the 2 headed sound ninja who's name is long forgotten You may be right...who knows

Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

It was never said that this is transformation, on the contrary. Just remember Gaara: he was somehow inside the demon, then his upper body got out of the sand-demon and so Naruto could hit his head to wake him up. Or take for example KillerBee, he was hiding in a tentacle, and while the tentacle still existed the demon was already with/in KillerBee who was in the tentacle cut off by Sasuke, while KillerBee made a kagebunshin-like body that was carried away by Sasuke.

I wouldn't call this transformation, it's more like releasing the chakra of the demon which then materializes the demon's body, the host's body is probably turned into pure chakra and the demon's and host's chakra are mixed togethere but when the demon is released it is his body that contains the host. Since the demon and the host act like one entity they can manifest as the host's body or as the demon's body.

Well...if your body is visibly changing especially from a human form into that of a (mystikal) beast...then i would call it a transformation wouldnt you agree? If not i really will have to read more about the description and meaning of transformation .

It's just that after Naruto transformed his skin was ripped.
And his clothes werent even damaged. I found that really strange so... that's why i brought this up but... thanks for speculating with me gentlemen (Ero-Senn1n, FireDetei and james0246)

[SpyderSidiouss]

Originally Posted by aliasxn

Well... So what? Jealousy is as good a reason as any to hate a character.

So what? So, I answered that gentleman's question about pathetic haters is what.

Originally Posted by aliasxn

As for me, it's just as Spectacular_Insanity said. All the free power ups Sasuke keeps getting wouldn't be so annoying if he wasn't such an arrogant asshole to begin with. "Arrogant" would be the key word in that sentence, getting uber hax power ups instantly with finger pokes and pills and such while everybody else must work much harder to achieve inferior/similar results only adds to the problem.

lol, no, as for you, you're still using that weak ass excuse that already got shut down and owned in the other thread. Seriously, power ups? Naruto has had powerups at just about every fight, just like you say Sasuke did, and as many powerups as Sasuke did. And about being arrogant, give me a break! Naruto's been one of the loudest and arrogant people in the manga since day one! Even when he had no right to be, so please thats a load of crap. Only now, it seems hes going to humble down because of everything thats been happening. (Sasuke might humble down because of his last fight as well) There are other people in the manga who are as arrogant as Sauske(some who are probably more arrogant), but for some reason its a huge problem that hes arrogant.

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

Well...if your body is visibly changing especially from a human form into that of a (mystikal) beast...then i would call it a transformation wouldnt you agree? If not i really will have to read more about the description and meaning of transformation .

Transformation would be wen your normal body changes into something different. For example the cursed seal level2. But in case of demon hosts they let out the demon, either partially or the whole power of it. I mean KillerBee didn't transform into a huge monster, that monster was already inside him and it just came out, while KillerBee was inside it. Of course if you take the host and the demon as one entity then it's true that they transform, but in my interpretation they are different enitities because they have their own mind and will.

[Sinfully Naomi]

Naruto gets to say something very few Shinobi may have ever been able to say. I PUNCHED THE FOURTH HOKAGE IN THE STOMACH!