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~~Pocari_Sweat~~ · 2014-02-09, 23:29

Midlane has gotten a fair bit of variety as of late.

Toplane on the other hand. I'm sick of seeing Mundo, Shyvanna and Renekton every game. And the very occassional warwick or trundel to counter them.

Hana · 2014-02-10, 00:57

I think LeBlanc is a good state right now. I"m also sad where the state of top lane is at now. With the new OP defensive masteries, tanky top laners will just outscale anyone else. I do miss me my Riven, Jayce, Kennen top lane.. Although I guess I can play them mid now..

~~Pocari_Sweat~~ · 2014-02-10, 01:26

Thankfully, defensive masteries and doran shield is getting nerfed, as is Renekton's early game (and compensated by a stronger lategame). Hopefully this will give rise to more toplane bruisers which have fallen off in usage.

Last Sinner · 2014-02-10, 02:00

I wouldn't say Support is being as varied as it should until you reach Diamond. Since top, jungle and mid get the ban focus on ranked, Leona and Thresh are in virtually every game. Getting really tired of that. The tank meta isn't just making top lane stale - it's affecting support as well. Too many people just assume they can pick squishier champs and that support taking Leona/Thresh fixes everything. Which is a stupid mentality to have.

~~Pocari_Sweat~~ · 2014-02-10, 03:21

As much as there are problems in the game atm, I still think this season is better than season 3 where assassins blew up everything. It wasn't very fun. I think season 2 was the best though despite seeing anivia, karthus, orianna midlane, irelia, jax and jayce top lane was and the ezreal, graves, corki botlane was. The game felt a lot more "smooth" and stable and less snowbally back then.

Last Sinner · 2014-02-10, 04:25

No offense but season 2 was tanky tops and safe AD carries. This early part of season 4 is very history repeating. The only real difference is a few mids for greater clearing and junglers are playmakers rather than supportive.

Mr Hat and Clogs · 2014-02-10, 04:42

LS, is there a wallpaper sized version of your sig?

Last Sinner · 2014-02-10, 06:56

Spoiler for Heartseeker Ashe full size:

Mr Hat and Clogs · 2014-02-10, 07:09

noice, no 1920x1080?

Last Sinner · 2014-02-10, 08:43

The one I gave is the standard size for League of Legends splash art.

~~Pocari_Sweat~~ · 2014-02-10, 09:09

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Originally Posted by Last Sinner

No offense but season 2 was tanky tops and safe AD carries. This early part of season 4 is very history repeating. The only real difference is a few mids for greater clearing and junglers are playmakers rather than supportive.

Safe AD carries you're right on (ezreal, graves and corki all had escapes and good midgame dmg whilst being able to sufficiently carry in the lategame. S2 was ADC's season.), but toplane was about Trinity force bruisers (Irelia, Jax) with a bit of Jayce and Vladimir. They weren't "tanks" in the strictest sense, but they did build tanky after TF. The most common build was Trinity Force --> GA --> Omen. They're role are much different from tanks though. Both Irelia/Jax was to go into the midgame and dive onto the enemy ADC. Midlane was a farm fest with the likes of anivia, karthus and orianna who scale really well into the lategame with farm. Junglers were based on who could clear fast and who could gank well, which is why maokai and skarner were very popular.

Last Sinner · 2014-02-10, 11:08

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Originally Posted by Pocari_Sweat

They're role are much different from tanks though. Both Irelia/Jax was to go into the midgame and dive onto the enemy ADC.

Pretty sure that's what Renekton, Trundle and Shyvana are doing. Mundo, perhaps not.

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Midlane was a farm fest with the likes of anivia, karthus and orianna who scale really well into the lategame with farm.

I think you're forgetting Gragas was a regular at the business end of Season 2. He's still a regular and a farmer. Anivia and Karthus may be out but Orianna is still a regular. Ziggs is farming central and not that different from Anivia in how much he can negate pushes. Global presence of mids has declined since Karthus and Twisted Fate are not in anymore. The farm fests, particularly in Europe, have not stopped.

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Junglers were based on who could clear fast and who could gank well, which is why maokai and skarner were very popular.

Unless they're Meteos, I think junglers have become very fast-clear and gank-heavy oriented again. Diamondprox, Jankos, Cyanide, TheOddOne, Crumbz - they are very active. The armor changes on turrets is discouraging 2v1s and switching jungler focus from defending the outnumbered to getting mid ahead. But they are playmakers/potential to carry themselves. Maokai and Skarner are in the wilderness because Elise and Vi do it better.

Witch of Uncertainty · 2014-02-11, 09:44

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Originally Posted by Konakaga

Really?

I feel like I see Kayle, Ziggs, Gragas, Ori, Riven, Kha'Zix, Yasou, and Nidalee more often currently for mid laners (ignoring kass due near 100% ban rate). Though LB is a solid pick, atm.

I worded that awfully. I ment in competative play.
I don't have a problem with Leblanc as she is in game, but I'm sick and tired of seeing almost every LCS game having a Leblanc.

I'm also wondering if the Thresh nerf will do anything (AA range reduced). I don't really have a problem with him, but similarly to Leblanc, I'm tired of seeing him in every game (Both competative and Soloqueue this time).

Skarner is hella fun right now. I think Xerath might be broken (as in OP), but it's too early to say. Ziggs nerf made me happy, and the Kayle Nerf was way too hard, imo. Goodbye to Mid Kayle.

Last Sinner · 2014-02-11, 10:06

Well, it wasn't so long ago Thresh was a constant ban. Then everyone became freaked out by Mundo and Shyvana, along with the re-emergence of Kha'zix & Kassadin and the threat of Yasuo. When the usual bans suddenly get replaced all at once, things like Thresh will be regular. However, it is rather hilarious how many people will play it on ranked just because it's open when they either don't even know how to play it or into the team comp that obliterates it.

Kayle deserves the nerf....I don't care what anyone else says. Even the pros think it needs it. LeBlanc...a problem, but...the snowball is mandatory. An LB that falls behind is fairly deadweight. And...there are ways to punish an LB pick.

Xerath already is OP and will be moreso now. Frankly, it's about time Xerath became 'the way'. Would make for changes all round to handle Xerath.

Hmmm, Skarner rework. I could use something other than Nautilus, Sejuani and Vi to jungle with.

Last Sinner · 2014-02-11, 18:17

Vel'Koz, Eye of the Void revealed

Hooves · 2014-02-12, 04:32

His Battlecast skin is the best.

Last Sinner · 2014-02-12, 04:47

I am sincerely hoping the Xerath rework and the imminent arrival of Vel'koz changes what gets played in mid lane. I think it would also trigger some changes in supports to handle those two. Interesting times ahead.

*sigh* Today's patch didn't have Heartseeker Ashe skin available....

Eisdrache · 2014-02-12, 16:12

I tried new Xerath in a custom game and the range on his ult is just hilarious. Also he does way more damage early game.

Hooves · 2014-02-16, 23:43

Xerath is far more mobile and far more fun with the rework. Skarner on the other hand does need more work to make the changes actually fit him. So far mid lane seems to still consist of Yasuo, Riven, Ziggs, LeBlanc, Lulu, Xerath (probably), Mordekaiser, Gragas, Kayle? (Haven't seen her nerf play yet), Kha'Zix, Zed

So a lot of variety.

Eisdrache · 2014-02-17, 03:03

Just because Mordekaiser was picked one single time doesn't make him a popular pick. I agree on the others though.

2014-02-10, 02:00	Link #4524
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	I wouldn't say Support is being as varied as it should until you reach Diamond. Since top, jungle and mid get the ban focus on ranked, Leona and Thresh are in virtually every game. Getting really tired of that. The tank meta isn't just making top lane stale - it's affecting support as well. Too many people just assume they can pick squishier champs and that support taking Leona/Thresh fixes everything. Which is a stupid mentality to have. __________________

2014-02-10, 04:25	Link #4526
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	No offense but season 2 was tanky tops and safe AD carries. This early part of season 4 is very history repeating. The only real difference is a few mids for greater clearing and junglers are playmakers rather than supportive. __________________

2014-02-10, 04:42	Link #4527
Mr Hat and Clogs Did someone call a doctor Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 40	LS, is there a wallpaper sized version of your sig? __________________

2014-02-10, 06:56	Link #4528
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	Spoiler for Heartseeker Ashe full size: __________________

2014-02-10, 07:09	Link #4529
Mr Hat and Clogs Did someone call a doctor Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 40	noice, no 1920x1080? __________________

2014-02-09, 23:29	Link #4521
~~Pocari_Sweat~~ <em style="color:#808080;">Disabled By Request</em> Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia	Midlane has gotten a fair bit of variety as of late. Toplane on the other hand. I'm sick of seeing Mundo, Shyvanna and Renekton every game. And the very occassional warwick or trundel to counter them.

2014-02-10, 00:57	Link #4522
Hana izumi Join Date: Dec 2008	I think LeBlanc is a good state right now. I"m also sad where the state of top lane is at now. With the new OP defensive masteries, tanky top laners will just outscale anyone else. I do miss me my Riven, Jayce, Kennen top lane.. Although I guess I can play them mid now..

2014-02-10, 01:26	Link #4523
~~Pocari_Sweat~~ <em style="color:#808080;">Disabled By Request</em> Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia	Thankfully, defensive masteries and doran shield is getting nerfed, as is Renekton's early game (and compensated by a stronger lategame). Hopefully this will give rise to more toplane bruisers which have fallen off in usage.

2014-02-10, 03:21	Link #4525
~~Pocari_Sweat~~ <em style="color:#808080;">Disabled By Request</em> Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia	As much as there are problems in the game atm, I still think this season is better than season 3 where assassins blew up everything. It wasn't very fun. I think season 2 was the best though despite seeing anivia, karthus, orianna midlane, irelia, jax and jayce top lane was and the ezreal, graves, corki botlane was. The game felt a lot more "smooth" and stable and less snowbally back then.

2014-02-10, 08:43	Link #4530
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	The one I gave is the standard size for League of Legends splash art. __________________

2014-02-11, 10:06	Link #4534
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	Well, it wasn't so long ago Thresh was a constant ban. Then everyone became freaked out by Mundo and Shyvana, along with the re-emergence of Kha'zix & Kassadin and the threat of Yasuo. When the usual bans suddenly get replaced all at once, things like Thresh will be regular. However, it is rather hilarious how many people will play it on ranked just because it's open when they either don't even know how to play it or into the team comp that obliterates it. Kayle deserves the nerf....I don't care what anyone else says. Even the pros think it needs it. LeBlanc...a problem, but...the snowball is mandatory. An LB that falls behind is fairly deadweight. And...there are ways to punish an LB pick. Xerath already is OP and will be moreso now. Frankly, it's about time Xerath became 'the way'. Would make for changes all round to handle Xerath. Hmmm, Skarner rework. I could use something other than Nautilus, Sejuani and Vi to jungle with. __________________

2014-02-11, 18:17	Link #4535
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	Vel'Koz, Eye of the Void revealed __________________

2014-02-12, 04:47	Link #4537
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	I am sincerely hoping the Xerath rework and the imminent arrival of Vel'koz changes what gets played in mid lane. I think it would also trigger some changes in supports to handle those two. Interesting times ahead. sigh Today's patch didn't have Heartseeker Ashe skin available.... __________________

2014-02-12, 16:12	Link #4538
Eisdrache Part-time misanthrope Join Date: Mar 2007	I tried new Xerath in a custom game and the range on his ult is just hilarious. Also he does way more damage early game.

2014-02-17, 03:03	Link #4540
Eisdrache Part-time misanthrope Join Date: Mar 2007	Just because Mordekaiser was picked one single time doesn't make him a popular pick. I agree on the others though.