2008-05-18, 23:34 | Link #181 |
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Earth/Pluto in isn't really that impressive since it only takes a few hours at c. to get there. That's less or more than two hundred times depending upon how much less than a second is. At what point do you think it is polite to out right say what fraction of a second you're dealing with?
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2008-05-18, 23:36 | Link #182 |
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It's also possible that it actually DID take them a while to fold to Galaxy's position, and it just shows the concert during all this for both dramatic effect and kick-ass battle music. Perhaps this theory is too far-fetched though.
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Precisely. In order for the scene to work, both events had to be concurrent.
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2008-05-19, 11:00 | Link #187 |
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That would make a pretty dangerous long range strike craft. If you can fold without using fold boosters, then that also means that you can deploy further and carry more ammo and FAST packs instead of having to choose between FAST packs and fold boosters, like when Gamlin's team when chasing after City 7.
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2008-05-19, 11:08 | Link #189 |
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here's a question / observation. Is Michel's sniper gun pod more powerful than the liquid plasma cannon attached to Klan's suit?
From ep 7 the sniper pod is clearly able to make quick work of a red, and had as decent rate of fire. Part of me wants to say the sniper pod shots increase in speed the further it's in flight, ie constant acceleration in a frictionless environment. |
2008-05-19, 11:10 | Link #190 |
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My impression was that Klan's shot didn't do as much damage due to being slightly off-angle since she was in a hurry to get her shot off.
As for the sniper gunpod... isn't speed pretty much constant in a frictionless environment? If the shots are travelling at Mach 3, they'll remain at mach 3, or so I understand things. That said if Mikhail's gunpod is determined to be more powerful than Klan's cannon, it blows holes into Tak's theory of Zent weapons being better; my interpretation of that scene was that Klan was wanting to assuage her wounded pride at getting saved by Alto the noob. "Sure, the noob saved me, but he did it with a zent gun, and zent guns are just that better!"
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2008-05-19, 11:20 | Link #193 | |
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but then that's an even better argument. If speed is constant than the sniper pod could do max damage even at point blank range. |
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2008-05-19, 11:33 | Link #194 | |
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Of course if you're going to be shooting at point blank range it defeats the whole purpose of a sniper gunpod Muzzle velocity is also merely one aspect of how stopping power is calculated; for example a 9mm pistol round has a higer muzzle velocity than a .45ACP round fired from the Holy Pistol built by St. John Moses Browning, but the .45 does more damage due to being a larger round, having a heavier and bigger slug, and being of a Holy and Pure Union blessed by God. (Sorta an in-joke among some guys I know. The full line went, "This union of .45ACP and 1911 is a Pure and Holy one, blessed by God, for verily while the 9mm might expandeth, the .45, being blessed by God, shall never shrinketh.") But yes, generally speaking, with ballistic weapons you'd want it to be able to do damage at all ranges, as it should. Of course depending on your ammo firing at point-blank range isn't really a good idea; first you've got to get into point blank range, absorbing god knows how much damage there, then you've got to fire, and if you're using HE ammo or API shells or DU or, god forbid, the "inhumane" HE/API Raufoss Mk 211 rounds, it's not a good idea to be at point blank range, because you could pwn yourself by your own ammo. There are recorded instances of German BF-109s and -110s getting pwnt by the bombs they dropped because they were too close to the explosion. Besides, again, it defeats the whole purpose of a gun if you're going to use it at point blank range: the gun is for ranged combat, for staying away from the enemy. If you're going to close the distance and get up close and personal you might as well junk it for a melee weapon.
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2008-05-19, 11:35 | Link #195 | |
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Well, you have to consider that Mikhail was aiming at a more vulnerable part (the head and underbelly) and he still had to shoot more than once while Klan fired at the tougher outer shell. |
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2008-05-19, 11:41 | Link #196 |
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He and Isamu mounted fold boosters on their units. That, IMO, is what's a big deal; not that a valk can fold - any valk can, so long as they mount fold boosters, we've seen it happening - but rather than this valk can do so without fold boosters.
As to whether Mikhail's greater rate of fire is advantageous over the possible greater individual power of Klan's cannon, it's worth noting that when the US military had the option between single-shot/hi-power and rapid-fire/low-power, they went with option 2, choosing the M16 over the M14.
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2008-05-19, 18:27 | Link #200 | |
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But a sniper gunpod on the Queadluun-Rea.... heresy! Quads are for close range missile spam!
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