Fate/Zero - Episode 25 Discussion [END] / Poll

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by sento

It was all an act.

Arturia thanks to Merlin was a Futuari hence Mordord

[Wandering_Youth]

Originally Posted by hero147

Loved the hopeful end. Now for Shirou to become a badass...

Originally Posted by Yuutsu

And, thus, the son inherits the father's dreams....

Too bad both of them ended on the same path and had a tragic end. Like father like son?

[sento]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Arturia thanks to Merlin was a Futuari hence Mordord

Yeah, but that was Morgan.

The whole stuff with Guinevere is confirmed to be just an act for "pretending to be a man" reasons in the novel.

Originally Posted by Wandering_Youth

Too bad both of them ended on the same path and had a tragic end. Like father like son?

Depending on the route.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by sento

Yeah, but that was Morgan.

The whole stuff with Guinevere is confirmed to be just an act for "pretending to be a man" reasons in the novel.

you mean Arturia didn't fulfill her Kingly duties when she got the right piece of equipment

[Wandering_Youth]

Originally Posted by sento

Y
Depending on the route.

Fair enough, but I thought being reborn as a spirit in the Holy Grail War meant that one had a strong wish or regret they wanted to fix. Archer in every route always criticized Shirou for his naivety because

Spoiler for FSN spoiler:

Shirou is Archer

. It also seems like all the spirits in the wars came to be because of a regret.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Wandering_Youth

. It also seems like all the spirits in the wars came to be because of a regret.

that is because only those with regrets choose to join the war.

[Dr. Casey]

Wait... I haven't watched the episode yet, but Kiritsugu dies? I thought he appears in Fate Stay Night?

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Dr. Casey

Wait... I haven't watched the episode yet, but Kiritsugu dies? I thought he appears in Fate Stay Night?

Even in the game and anime he was dead before they even began.

[Kimidori]

Originally Posted by Dr. Casey

Wait... I haven't watched the episode yet, but Kiritsugu dies? I thought he appears in Fate Stay Night?

he does appear, but in Shirou flash back

[Dr. Casey]

;_;

Why do the good die young...

What episode was the Shirou flashback where he appears?

[Kimidori]

Originally Posted by Dr. Casey

;_;

Why do the good die young...

What episode was the Shirou flashback where he appears?

mostly in episode 1, after that he still appears serveral time and there were a flashback scene of the last moment in fate/zero

[Jerseykid]

So why couldn't kiritsugu get back to ilya? Something about a person and the forest barrier? Was this explained earlier? I don't remember.

[GDB]

Amazing ending. I loved Ilya's cameo too. Shirou kind of seemed a bit more snarky than I remember from the VN. Guess Kiritsugu's death impacted him more than I expected.

Originally Posted by Jerseykid

So why couldn't kiritsugu get back to ilya? Something about a person and the forest barrier? Was this explained earlier? I don't remember.

Magical boundary field created by Acht (head of the family, and Ilya's grandfather, from Episode 1). Combine that with the fact he was cursed by the Grail, and he was physically unable to approach the castle.

[rpgman1]

This anime had to come to an end. Sure it was rushed, but it did fill the holes that we were wondering back then. Kiritsugu suffered the most even until the present and his whole life is nothing but tragedy. Naked Gilgamesh and Kirei alive from the Holy Grail. Shirou seems to be more upbeat than I thought he would in this episode.

[Grey]

Lancelot's scene was superb. I'll have to read the LN. I wonder if he actually said those lines or if they were just his dying thoughts. From the way Saber despaired, I'd guess he never spoke them. All the more tragic if so.

Kiritsugu's final scene felt lacking somehow. Maybe it's just because the same scene in the VN left too powerful an impression on me.

Kirei's laughter and conundrum were superb.

Illya talking to "Irisviel" and Irisviel somehow responding...? I have no idea what happened there.

[mAc Chaos]

Originally Posted by Grey

Lancelot's scene was superb. I'll have to read the LN. I wonder if he actually said those lines or if they were just his dying thoughts. From the way Saber despaired, I'd guess he never spoke them. All the more tragic if so.

Kiritsugu's final scene felt lacking somehow. Maybe it's just because the same scene in the VN left too powerful an impression on me.

Kirei's laughter and conundrum were superb.

Illya talking to "Irisviel" and Irisviel somehow responding...? I have no idea what happened there.

I'm pretty sure Lancelot spoke them, but it just didn't get shown in the Lancelot episode because of cuts. So she was just thinking of a part of the fight that we didn't get to see.

For Ilya, I remember them mentioning something about how Irisviel could always talk to Ilya or would always be with her, as the spirit of the Grail, or something. Not sure.

[Polarpew]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Arturia thanks to Merlin was a Futuari hence Mordord

Mordred was a homunculus that has Saber's looks in this universe apparently

[Polarpew]

Originally Posted by GDB

Amazing ending. I loved Ilya's cameo too. Shirou kind of seemed a bit more snarky than I remember from the VN. Guess Kiritsugu's death impacted him more than I expected.



Magical boundary field created by Acht (head of the family, and Ilya's grandfather, from Episode 1). Combine that with the fact he was cursed by the Grail, and he was physically unable to approach the castle.

basically he was so wounded by the curse that he cant activate his magic circuits anymore, therefore cant do a thing about the boundary field

[Thess]

Originally Posted by mAc Chaos

He never turned against the idea of being a "hero of justice." To his dying breath, that was his dream. But he regretted the methods he went about doing it. He wouldn't want Shirou to go down that path, but the determination he showed at the end there reminded him what he found beautiful about the ideal.

His dream was to live with Irisviel and Illya in a peaceful world. The hero of justice was an old aspiration of his childhood. This was his real wish:

In a nostalgic, gentle, warm room, smiles bounced between the faces of his "wife" and "daughter".
In other words, this - is the world of tranquility which he had sought.
There would be no more conflicts, no one will have to be hurt; a perfected utopia.

That's why he was mindbroken after rejecting the Grail.

The hero of justice was an aspiration of his younger days that unfortunately messed up his entire life by becoming the Magus Killer. He never realized that all he wanted was really a peaceful domestic life. It fits Shirou because he was a child.

But if you don't outgrow those childish ideals when you become an adult, you'll end up as Kiritsugu and Archer.

[DragoZERO]

Wow... what a finale. Felt more like an epilogue if anything. I didn't feel that much emotion since I probably knew it all from the game, but it was a bittersweet ending.

I always thought it was Saber's Excalibur that did the damage, not the Grail's mud. I really need to play the game again, lol.

And WTF with Aoi. How does getting choked do that to a person? Would have been better if she was dead (sorry).

Now then... when can I order my box set?