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Amata was overhearing this and, honestly, how does he not... question that stream of thought? Why does he end up trying to emulate Kagura by befriending ShuShu? If he's going down that road, he might as well start rampaging and killing some of his classmates because Mikono seems to have fairly short term memory when it comes to these *trivial* details. (And yes, if you hadn't guessed, they writers are really pushing my patience with Mikono's character.) Andy was perfectly correct in the first thing he told Amata: It worked out well but not because of him (Amata), and if he doesn't do anything but mope he's going to lose. Its standard fair to introduce turbulence in a romance but its usually not done in this awkward of a way. Amata has yet to question Mikono for her actions (and this has literally been hanging in the air over their head since episode six) and the only reason we have *turbulence* is because of an outside force that has had utterly no victories and has accomplished almost nothing in this show that has lasted longer than five minutes... and, worst of all, because your two main characters have this strange inability to speak with one another about each other's feelings where Amata would, probably, be able to find peace if Mikono would go even a tenth of the distance of Zessica. (And, honestly, this has really been diminishing my interest in their romance. They spend more time talking about their problems and Kagura, than they do about their feelings for one another.) I honestly respect and like Amata's character and the hell he's getting dragged through for the girl he likes, but is it to much for me to ask that Mikono do... something? Aside from their first meeting, its always been Amata chasing Mikono (through jelly, through Kagura, or through fate).
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That said, what do you mean change what he thinks of her? Make him see her in a negative light? There are many things she could do to make that happen, question is, would she do any of them and if yes, in what context? Quote:
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So I can't really associate these issues with characterization, because they're just not... "natural" progressions but obvious writing blunders. Mikono wasn't unresponsive, though. Last edited by kuromitsu; 2012-04-19 at 10:39. |
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That being said, I think they've handled Mikono/Amata with piss-poor finesse. Quote:
The problems of communication are entirely restricted to Amata and Mikono, Kagura has a better time communicating with Mikono than Amata does. Like I said, my complaint (and while you're certainly right that Mikono is not unresponsive) is that the initiative is entirely one-sided and Mikono's swinging around some baffling logic accompanied by less than helpful actions that are certainly not helping Amata. This episode was especially onerous of this because they never, not once, talked with each other about the issues at hand. You might even call it symbolic that Mikono's only talk with Amata this episode was: Let's run away, and then getting jelly. With Okada and Kawamori, who have shown that they know how to write romance and good stories, this whole methodology of driving the tension because Mikono and Amata apparently have their tongues in vices is mind-numbing and is dragging down what I find as an otherwise fun to watch, interesting show.
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kuromitsu: I meant "see her in a negative light". But in terms of the other question, it's been interesting to me that we've started to see keep seeing scenarios in which Amata basically is forced to decide "do I go along with Mikono on this one?" only to have external forces bail him out before he has to make a final call. Examples:
(1) Funeral: Mikono refuses to participate, Amata kinda stands around, Zen throws him into a hole before he can take a stand (stay with Mikono? go with everyone else?). (2) 15: Mikono is like "don't shoot!", Amata hesitates, Kagura tele-evacuated before Amata makes affirmative decision one way or the other. (3) 16: Mikono wants them to keep running, Zessica disagrees, their cover is blown anyways. Could just be seeing stuff here, but to me it's starting to look like a pattern. If it is a pattern, it seems like sooner or later she's going to put him on the spot and he won't get bailed out by events. I'm not brave enough to predict what kind of choice it'll be, but I do see a hard choice in his near future. Some kind of "escape" wouldn't surprise me, if only because that's how she was introduced and her instincts still seem to trend more towards "flight" than "fight". Vena: I think the communication problems apply more broadly than you're giving them credit for. Other examples: Cayenne and Mikono seemingly can't communicate outside of narrowly-constrained scenarios like the end of episode 6; what he'd want to talk about is the same awkward territory (Amata, Kagura) that blocks Amata-Mikono interaction. Amata and your-choice-of Andy and Zessica seemingly can't *really* talk about what he's feeling for Mikono except obliquely (Andy can lampshade it, but Amata can't really get into it). This radiates out to the peripheral characters (Andy can't talk with MIX about Amata and Mikono in any detail, because of forbidden territory). With longer episodes and/or better writers it'd be more doable, but as-is it's hard to keep things at the right level of ambiguity within the small amount of time available for such dialogue unless you avoid these kinds of "clarifying" conversations entirely. |
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Note, I'm not saying the writing is good: I'm saying it's competent enough to handle secondary relationships. But it breaks when it needs to handle something more long-term and complicated. Also, this is not a problem with just a romance, this not being able to communicate, or ignoring/avoiding situations that would be too complicated to handle pretty much plagues the whole show. Quote:
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Shrade ep - reverse flight, reverse impact, reverse whip.... and we've seen him glow red and then do nothing. Etc etc, this is not that thread - basically, I think they weren't handling this well either. Quote:
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2012-04-20, 18:07 | Link #88 |
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Hello there 1st time posting [I believe] but anywhoo here we go
@kuromitsu the reason for his floating has already been talked about in the 1st 2 episodes. He flies whenever his emotions reach an excited state. That means whether due to love or shock or embarrassment, if his emotions reach a certain point he takes flight I kinda like the development of Amata's character we have seen so far. Although in my opinion the side characters are more developed but I guess it was all for the next episodes left. Maybe episode 17 will be what I have dreamed of. An episode with character development of Mikono, Zessica, and Amata. |
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I do like Mikono. But I certainly not support her getting with Amata. Their relationship started sweet (it's even what get me in the show) but now it's just .
The way it is written at the moment it really seems to bring the worse out of both Mikono and Amata. |
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Amata: "I don't care if Mikono is the reincarnation of Sylvie, I don't care about whatever was fated 12,000 years ago. I love Mikono as she is right now! Mikono as she is right here, right now, this instant!".......GAAAAHHHHHHHH AMATA you make my heart SOAR!!!!!!!! geehehehe
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You do know that Amata is fated to be with her... Right? Kagura is the one that isn't fated to be with her because he's just a fake, so what Amata said contradicts what he really wants. The writers are just trying to twist this to go with the the theme of defying fate but Amata is doing everything but defy fate.
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Err what?...Amata is fated to be with her????...ummm... HOW exactly? Kagura isn't a fake he's a fragment LOL...Kagura and Amata are the same person so no I don't believe what he says contradicts his defying fate (because so far this FATE thing has not been established) and um we don't know yet if he is fated to be with Mikono because technically he could still very well die (I hope he does not)...and I just wanted to express how I felt when he said those words...cus um this is the AMATA thread |
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2012-05-28, 12:26 | Link #98 |
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Amata is the original reincarnation, Kagura was a fake created by Mykage when Amata was a child. He even calls Kagura as "Dark Amata" and erases his memories and implants false ones.
And yes he's contradicting himself. If he was defying fate he wouldn't be chasing after Mikono who he is fated for. That isn't the case which makes him hypocrite in that regard and a bit stupid considering thta Kagura just said they were the same person. Fate has already been established more than once and other posters have went into detail with that. The writers have been pushing hard, and thrown a ton of symbolism, that Amata and Mikono are destined for each other which goes against the fighting fate/destiny theme is that's the case. |
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Yes he did, he literally used his feather power and made a fake out of Amata and calls him Dark/Fake/Other Amata for a reason.
What fate? Did you not watch the original? Amata and Mikono are fated to be together because of a 12,000 promise. Amata is the reincarnation of Apollo and Mikono is the reincarnation of Silvia. The fate that he's trying to fight is that they're meant for each other(which makes Zessica have merit since she said Kagura was fated to be with Mikono and since he's just a part of Amata that means he's fated for her as well) which is stupid because he wants to get together with his destined love. A huge contradiction right there. Zessica just interpeted wrong because she doesn't know Kagura "is" a part of Amata and that if Mikono got with Kagura than she could get with Amata, that's why she said that. Doesn't help that Amata didn't appear in any of the mirror visions, so from what she knew she was correct. |
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