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Since, if it hadn't Tsukune would still need to keep wearing the Holy Lock to contain his vampire nature and instincts (and stay human), and probably the amount of power that Tsukune is going to be consciously capable of using is going to be limited in some way - basically, while the human modification has managed to resolve the problem of Tsukune's physical body not fully accustomed to the vampire blood, unless the ritual has managed to accustom Tsukune's "mentality" to the vampire blood flowing in his veins (which in my opinion, hasn't happened), then the vampire blood in Tsukune is still capable of destroying Tsukune's mental state and taking control over Tsukune's body (Rosario+vampire Season I, chapter 23, page 16 [14, if you consider the double pages, as a single page] ), even if Tsukune has physically become more accustomed to the vampire blood flowing inside his veins. It's probably something that you Tsuyoshi, called by "Tsukune getting accustomed to his new body", but to me it's a little more difficult then that, since Tsukune still needs to do what naturally born vampires are capable of instinctively doing (well, apart from Alucard), and that is controlling the vampire instincts present in their blood, which to me is something that Tsukune is still going to need to learn to do, and no ritual is going to help him in archiving that, and until he does, Tsukune is still going to be at a risk of his powers going out of control, when he's pushed to his "limits" (which, where most likely, increased with Tsukune's latest transformation) and would still need to keep wearing his Holy Lock. |
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2011-05-04, 12:30 | Link #19864 |
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It may not end up being his hair color that changes, but it may show in his eye color and type, he may end up with permanent red, slitted eyes like Ura. If not slitted then at least red, because it's shown that Moka's earlier life her eyes weren't always slits, so that's probably in indication potential power when entering a higher youki output stance.
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2011-05-04, 13:25 | Link #19865 |
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The thing about the hair color seems to be (aside from usual anime/manga odd hair colors) that because Moka was saved at childbirth by Shinso blood, it was the Shinso blood that turned her hair silver from an early age. Going back into that discussion again, if Moka hadn't been injected with Shinso blood, her hair color probably would've been the same as Akasha's- pink. This is evidence by when she's in Outer form, in which her hair is pink and Shinso blood is sealed away. When the rosario comes off, her Shinso blood is more or less being tapped back into, which is why it turns silver. So a lot of people think that because Tsukune has the Shinso blood running through him in a far less confined stage than before, his hair should also turn a different color
That, and shounen protagonists seem to undergo hair changes (whether color or style) when they get a power-up...
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2011-05-04, 14:20 | Link #19867 | |
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Of course, it could be possible that Ikeda is leading us astray with the whole Outer/ Inner Moka personalities deal, but until it's proven in some way in the manga, I will believe what had been stated in the manga so far - that Outer Moka is an artificial personality, while Inner Moka is the original one. |
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2011-05-04, 15:23 | Link #19869 |
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Omote = Artificial Moka
Ura = True Moka Akasha knows that Ura-Moka is the original personality and the Omote-Moka is the one she created based of her own personality to protect Ura, with that being said i don't think there is more on this matter that we can further discuss. Anyway, about the Holy Lock, doesn't it mention in the Theory that the ritual would give Tsukune's modified body magic/seal cancelling properties (it being permanent), just like that of the belmont whip, if this is true wouldn't that mean that any kind of seal would be useless (this also means the Holy Lock as well, if it's still active?
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2011-05-04, 15:38 | Link #19871 |
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Well, like any theory, until it's proven in the manga, it still has a chance of being incorrect or only partially correct, so I don't think that you should take any theories, with a little grain of salt - shortly, speaking the theory that I posted earlier, hasn't been proven of being correct, since their hasn't been anything mentioned on how Tsukune's body works after he has underwent Tohou Fuhai's modification ritual - the only thing that we can be sure about, is that it had been changed.
Furthermore the theory that I posted earlier, was made using a rough translation of chapter 41, and I already seen some things translated differently in Muda's scans of the same chapter, so some of the things posted in that theory, might be wrong - we probably won't know, until the next chapter comes out, but since it doesn't seem like the ritual has changed anything about Tsukune's "mental problems" with his Shinso blood, which has a corrosive effect on Tsukune's "human mentality" when it's awakened, Tsukune is probably going to, still need to continue to wearing the Holy Lock, until he manages to resolve this particular problem, which is probably going to take some time to resolve. |
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With what happened in chapter 27, Tsukune's hope of both Ura and Omote becoming one, means that Ikeda is going to merge the 2 personalities into one in the future of the series. The Rosary is what keeps Omote-Moka alive and without it she would disappear, as much as we don't like this we can't change it and even though the Rosary is fixed, in time it will weaken and eventually break, so Ikeda's plan to merge the 2 personalities is the only way to keep Omote-Moka from disappearing. It doesn't matter if she is real, fake or artificial, if she is real to you than thats what counts. So we mine as well dispose of the thought of Omote-Moka "disappearing", because it isn't going to happen, that much we can be certain
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2011-05-04, 17:56 | Link #19873 |
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I actually thought that Outer Moka is Inner's Moka's mother, Akasha. Except she lost her memories, that's why they look the same. That's why Outer-Moka should not be artificial person. But that's just my assumption so i dont have any proof of it.
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2011-05-04, 22:08 | Link #19876 |
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Well, there is also another issue that seems be be overlooked in that it may be possible that if Moka still has remnants of shinso blood in her. She too might have a hard time dealing with a full power release of her Shinso blood, and the only time she came close was that one time in the flashback, and the only reason she didn't go completely berserk was because she was taken prisoner and slowly being devoured by Alucard at that time. And that was probably the only time Moka was able to release completely without any kind of restraints.
It may be possible that if, or once the seal she wears is removed in it's entirety, she could risk going berserk as well if her own control falters. She may be experienced in fighting, but not to the point of overrunning her limits like Tsukune has. I think that there may be a possibility that if pushed far enough, Moka too would corrode the same way Tsukune has in the past if her mentality isn't prepared for that much power to pour through her. Akasha has age and experience on her side for that, but I bet it took her some time to know her limits and how to come back once those limits were on the brink of being breached. Being a natural vampire helps, but being a shinso probably multiplies those stresses several times over. Though I'm sure Akasha meant well in trying to have Moka go live a normal life, but I'm sure deep down she knew that it would be a temporary peace until Alucard woke back up. But Akasha's main failure in my opinion is that she hasn't sought out other powerful allies to see about putting together a task force to permanently kill Alucard. She's had 200 years to do it, but nope, she was more concerned about just keeping him contained and asleep, no plans beyond that.
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While it's true that Omote Moka is based on Akasha, her memories with Tsukune are still a part of Moka and have nothing to do with Akasha. Memories and the environment are also a part of developing character and personality. Omote Moka may have the same mannerisms and disposition as Akasha, but whatever she feels towards her friends as Tsukune are real. Omote Moka may disappear in the way that we may never see her pink hair again, but her certain aspects of her personality will inevitably show up in the "real" Moka when she regains all of her memories and the seal is removed. |
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2011-05-04, 22:39 | Link #19878 |
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I had to open that can of worms again... my personal opinion on Outer vs. Inner- Outer is what Moka would have been had Alucard never played a factor in her young life. Inner is essentially the Shinso-influenced side of the original Moka.
But anyways, on Akasha's personal flaw- keep in mind that she thought he would be permanently sealed- she never foresaw herself having a daughter with the Shinso blood. Then when Moka did come around (only 17 years ago, mind you), Akasha dedicated herself to being a loving mother (and wife, depending on how long she had been with Issa). I doubt she had time to try to look for a way to defeat Alucard permanently. Not to mention, being given the status of Dark Lord probably meant there were very, very few youkai even more powerful than herself, Fuhai and Mikogami with the strength to take him down
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2011-05-04, 22:51 | Link #19879 |
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Well, I bet if perhaps they got a hold of a nuclear warhead and stuffed it into the basement with Alucard and then detonated it, that might kill him. But they would have to make sure that it was at least a 30 to 60 megaton bomb and placed in a way that all of Alucard's body would be vaporized in the initial flash of the blast. Though being inside a barrier, they would have to abandon and collapse it to prevent any residual fallout as a result, but if each barrier is self contained, then it's one of the best options because it wouldn't effect the human world or any of the other youkai regions.
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