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Leo_Otaku · 2013-12-14, 20:35

I didn't mind that Rin didn't hear, but I was bothered that Rin didn't react to Kengo or Masato disappearing. I thought she noticed at least one of them disappearing in the game. Maybe that was just me, but they could have made her at least ask where they went.

Zankoku12 · 2013-12-15, 00:23

Talk about Rin,did they ever reveal the reason why she was so shy around stranger ?

Randrak42 · 2013-12-15, 01:28

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Talk about Rin,did they ever reveal the reason why she was so shy around stranger ?

No, just that something happened when she was little which was similar to the events at the end of her route.

Leo_Otaku · 2013-12-16, 22:28

I wish they mentioned what happened to her so we could understand that part a bit better.

Haruyasha · 2013-12-17, 19:50

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Originally Posted by Leo_Otaku

I didn't mind that Rin didn't hear, but I was bothered that Rin didn't react to Kengo or Masato disappearing. I thought she noticed at least one of them disappearing in the game. Maybe that was just me, but they could have made her at least ask where they went.

I'm fairly sure her memories disappear with them, thus why she isn't bothered by it.

She'd have to recall them again, like she does later, to notice that they're missing.

Aspirety · 2013-12-18, 03:29

So then, let's speculate...
Do you think they'll include the 'bad end' in next week's episode? Aka... "Is that enough?"

erneiz_hyde · 2013-12-18, 05:41

They have to include it for LB to work. There's no reason not to include it.

novalysis · 2013-12-18, 06:33

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They have to include it for LB to work. There's no reason not to include it.

Winces. I anticipate a horde of "WTF Just happened", and" Deus Ex Machina accusations" and that "the anime should have ended at episode 11 leaving the fates of everyone open ended "in the coming weeks

Aspirety · 2013-12-18, 10:12

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Winces. I anticipate a horde of "WTF Just happened", and" Deus Ex Machina accusations" and that "the anime should have ended at episode 11 leaving the fates of everyone open ended "in the coming weeks

Yeeeah I'm looking forward to the shitstorm XP

Ringil · 2013-12-18, 15:05

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Winces. I anticipate a horde of "WTF Just happened", and" Deus Ex Machina accusations" and that "the anime should have ended at episode 11 leaving the fates of everyone open ended "in the coming weeks

Uh, the game really should have ended at the hospital after Riki and Rin got away.... The other stuff was really quite lame.

Dark Faith · 2013-12-18, 16:46

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Uh, the game really should have ended at the hospital after Riki and Rin got away.... The other stuff was really quite lame.

Yeah, I actually walked away from my laptop and had a fit of laughter after reading just how he overcame his narcolepsy...

novalysis · 2013-12-18, 22:37

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Uh, the game really should have ended at the hospital after Riki and Rin got away.... The other stuff was really quite lame.

If that is the case, and Riki's rescue of everyone was unrealistic in the extreme (and actually, it somewhat felt unrealistic, to be honest), then the Little Buster's can't be saved.....

It suggest a troubling prospect - had the Bus Accident not happened, Riki x Rin could never had happened, because that very Summer, Kud would have won by the simple fact that her momentum with Riki is not disrupted by the summer holidays, unlike all of her unfortunate rivals. And not only that, it was accelerated by having to share the same room with Riki for the Summer! That is, if you treat Kud Wafter as a canonical Alternate Universe.

But if the Bus Accident happened, and it is impossible for Riki to rescue anyone, then Riki x Rin would be a rather unhealthy relationship created by tragedy alone. Which I don't think Rin fans want to contemplate - really, the Rescue Best ending was probably the best terms for a Riki x Rin relationship, as was the classroom scene.

It's the rescue that felt very lamely written, IMO. Episode Rin still managed to pull at my heart strings. Episode Riki was par for course. It was the rescue that.... felt weakly written.

Although, if I was to put money on which of the Little Buster's girls regained consciousness first after being dragged out of the bus ( since it's mention that some of them did regained consciousness to aid in the rescue), I'd put it on Anego. Unless, of course, she took the role of Kengo and Masato during the crash combined, and saved at least one, if not two of the Little Buster's girls within reach by absorbing some of the impact.

Leo_Otaku · 2013-12-19, 00:40

As I have mentioned many times before, I hope they do a better focus on the bus crash scene and the actual bus crash happening than the VN. That was the weakest part for me. I had known about the ending for years before I played the game. So when it did happen, this part felt very underwhelming to me.

I want them to show it crashing with some highlights before it happens, like how Kyousuke sneaked on for example. Then they need to show how a crash would actually be after an accident with people screaming in pain and so on. There was really nothing of that. I would really love focus and mention of the actually girls being on the bus and being pulled out. I'm pretty damn sure they weren't even mentioned at all.

I just hope the whole scene is handled better than it was, that is for damn sure.

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Winces. I anticipate a horde of "WTF Just happened", and" Deus Ex Machina accusations" and that "the anime should have ended at episode 11 leaving the fates of everyone open ended "in the coming weeks

Oh yeah can't wait for that to happen XD I know it will come, unless JC Staff can make it work better. Who knows.

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Yeah, I actually walked away from my laptop and had a fit of laughter after reading just how he overcame his narcolepsy...

I'm not really sure how he really overcame it actually. I didn't quite get that part at all.

novalysis · 2013-12-19, 02:15

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As I have mentioned many times before, I hope they do a better focus on the bus crash scene and the actual bus crash happening than the VN. That was the weakest part for me. I had known about the ending for years before I played the game. So when it did happen, this part felt very underwhelming to me.

I agree with you. The crash scene should have paid more attention to the state of the girls.

There are some ways to improve the Post-crash scene itself too. Since some students actually regained consciousness during the rescue, helping Riki accomplish the goal of saving everyone, they could wake at least a few of the Little Buster's girls in time - I'm also curious to know whether there was an equivalent to Kengo and Masato among the girls , who shielded someone else at the cost of greater injury to herself- Kurugaya is the most likely candidate. That's of course, assuming that the girls all were in the Little Busters, even before the crash, and a variant of the Common Route did take place.

The thing is , it's the girls that gave Rin the push and the determination to aid Riki in the rescue. Hopefully, JC Staff makes intelligent changes with that in mind, else Episode Rin is cheapened, because Rin's first priority is doubtlessly to rescue her female friends. Bluntly speaking, if it's Komari and random person X, she would go for Komari first, that's why Rin's forcing herself to overcome her weakness in the first place, and disprove Riki's assessment of Rin being a liability, which was Riki's initial justification for running away.

I suspect, at least, Komari and Rin had prior history with one another even before the crash - as did Haruka and Kurugaya, even if none of them were in the Little Busters. I wonder whether the crash could be used to shed some of the dynamics between the girls, in the Real World too. And there was a generic "female class mate helped" . My eyebrows raised - we have a good proportion of the girls in Riki's class in the group - if they wanted to do a DEM , they might as well go all the way and wake some of them up.

DaBackpack · 2013-12-19, 03:51

From what I understood, Riki's narcolepsy isn't true narcolepsy but is rather a symbol of his weakness. After he and Rin escape the first time, he creates a world where he can truly cope with the sadness and loss he faces with the death of his parents ("the encounter is more important than the loss" scene). And because of the dynamics of the "fake world time reset" stuff we know with Kyousuke, he reset back to the scene of the crash, this time with his narcolepsy gone.

So yeah, Key magic.

novalysis · 2013-12-19, 09:19

The only way they can avoid a shitstorm is if they make Episode 12 so tearjerking that everyone would accept a Deus Ex Machina just to get that Happy Ending, and have them agree with Riki with the "It is not enough" choice. Can JC Staff do that? I'm not sure.

I've also come to another realization. I think Maeda was testing the concept of what would happen, if those in his Dream worlds knew they were in the dream, with Saya's route and her multiple "deaths" - I think he got the idea for Angel Beats main source of Comedy, from Saya's route, and how well it was received, and ran away with it by making all his characters go through the same thing for laughs in his next work. Unless Maeda did not write the Saya route, as I am assuming. The more I think of it, the more I realized that the ideas of Clannad when through one mutation with Little Busters, and then another mutation to give us Angel Beats. And not just in Saya's route.

Leo_Otaku · 2013-12-19, 21:37

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From what I understood, Riki's narcolepsy isn't true narcolepsy but is rather a symbol of his weakness. After he and Rin escape the first time, he creates a world where he can truly cope with the sadness and loss he faces with the death of his parents ("the encounter is more important than the loss" scene). And because of the dynamics of the "fake world time reset" stuff we know with Kyousuke, he reset back to the scene of the crash, this time with his narcolepsy gone.

So yeah, Key magic.

That is how I thought happened and that he sort of became reborn and then I was like um.....but just left it at that I missed something.
That should have been handled a bit better imo too. i guess we will see what they do. Maybe if they explain it in a certain way, it won't be such a yeah um okay....moment

Mcfart · 2013-12-20, 07:00

Yeah finishing at the sad end would have been better, since it was more impactful and THE WHOLE GAME was forshadowing that. Tho I still think Komari's wish just left them in another dreamworld...

Aspirety · 2013-12-20, 12:27

Why are you guys talking like it's already happened? It airs tonight, and there's every possibility that they'll end the episode on the "Is it enough?". That's what I'm hoping for personally, and looking at the previews on the website, it's looking quite possible.

novalysis · 2013-12-20, 12:58

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Why are you guys talking like it's already happened? It airs tonight, and there's every possibility that they'll end the episode on the "Is it enough?". That's what I'm hoping for personally, and looking at the previews on the website, it's looking quite possible.

I actually wonder, looking ahead - will we get additional OVAs based out of the Drama CD, especially the one that happened directly after the final scene in the Little Buster's VN, when the group are leaving for their trip?

Also, I wonder whether JC Staff really will adapt Kud Wafter too, as they claimed quite sometime ago. In-fact, since there's no Kick the Can that's likely going to be animated, I really wonder - are they saving this for a possible Kud Wafter anime, since at least, in the Kud Wafter manga, Kick the Can occurs right at the very start of the Kud Wafter story.

In-fact, since Kick the Can seems to be very popular, I really wonder whether JC Staff deliberately left it out of the main Little Busters anime, so as to lure those who aren't particularly enthused about Kud to at least watch the start of Kud Wafter, if indeed, a version of Kick the Can is animated there.

Spoiler for Kud Wafter Spoilers:

2013-12-18, 03:29	Link #626
Aspirety Voyager Witch Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Otowa, Australia Age: 32	So then, let's speculate... Do you think they'll include the 'bad end' in next week's episode? Aka... "Is that enough?" __________________

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erneiz_hyde 18782+18782=37564 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: InterWebs	They have to include it for LB to work. There's no reason not to include it. __________________

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Aspirety Voyager Witch Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Otowa, Australia Age: 32	Why are you guys talking like it's already happened? It airs tonight, and there's every possibility that they'll end the episode on the "Is it enough?". That's what I'm hoping for personally, and looking at the previews on the website, it's looking quite possible. __________________

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Leo_Otaku Rewrite of the Life Join Date: May 2003 Location: Canada Age: 37	I didn't mind that Rin didn't hear, but I was bothered that Rin didn't react to Kengo or Masato disappearing. I thought she noticed at least one of them disappearing in the game. Maybe that was just me, but they could have made her at least ask where they went.

2013-12-15, 00:23	Link #622
Zankoku12 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	Talk about Rin,did they ever reveal the reason why she was so shy around stranger ?

2013-12-16, 22:28	Link #624
Leo_Otaku Rewrite of the Life Join Date: May 2003 Location: Canada Age: 37	I wish they mentioned what happened to her so we could understand that part a bit better.

2013-12-19, 03:51	Link #635
DaBackpack Blick Winkel Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Gobbled up by Promathia	From what I understood, Riki's narcolepsy isn't true narcolepsy but is rather a symbol of his weakness. After he and Rin escape the first time, he creates a world where he can truly cope with the sadness and loss he faces with the death of his parents ("the encounter is more important than the loss" scene). And because of the dynamics of the "fake world time reset" stuff we know with Kyousuke, he reset back to the scene of the crash, this time with his narcolepsy gone. So yeah, Key magic.

2013-12-19, 09:19	Link #636
novalysis Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011	The only way they can avoid a shitstorm is if they make Episode 12 so tearjerking that everyone would accept a Deus Ex Machina just to get that Happy Ending, and have them agree with Riki with the "It is not enough" choice. Can JC Staff do that? I'm not sure. I've also come to another realization. I think Maeda was testing the concept of what would happen, if those in his Dream worlds knew they were in the dream, with Saya's route and her multiple "deaths" - I think he got the idea for Angel Beats main source of Comedy, from Saya's route, and how well it was received, and ran away with it by making all his characters go through the same thing for laughs in his next work. Unless Maeda did not write the Saya route, as I am assuming. The more I think of it, the more I realized that the ideas of Clannad when through one mutation with Little Busters, and then another mutation to give us Angel Beats. And not just in Saya's route.

2013-12-20, 07:00	Link #638
Mcfart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010	Yeah finishing at the sad end would have been better, since it was more impactful and THE WHOLE GAME was forshadowing that. Tho I still think Komari's wish just left them in another dreamworld...