2013-04-12, 18:27 | Link #441 | ||||||
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The issue is that people taking the gun and making the logical fallacy that because the other people have weaker weapons and tools, they are worthless and therefore it's perfectly fine for them to do nothing at all. Once again, how about having them all pull their own weight? Quote:
If you really want me to fit that notion, then I could address how the summoners couldn't use any spells themselves, or why they didn't show a demon auction, or why the Anguished One already has an appearance this early in the story. But those aren't major issues, nor is it the focus of the problems I see with the narrative. Quote:
What I'm expecting from this what I expected from any other anime regardless of whether it has source material to follow - a strong narrative in motion that can move on its own. You telling me that I would need the source material to understand everything would imply that the anime is crippled, unable to stand without support from its source material. Quote:
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All your statement implies to me is something along the lines of "it is poor now, but don't worry because it'll get better later!" Finally, my main gripe with Hibiki's Byakko has always been this: I don't know why people think it's fine for Daichi and Io lose their contributions then suddenly point fingers at me for nitpicking differences in the game when this is a flaw that would stand out even without the source material. |
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2013-04-12, 18:43 | Link #442 | |||||
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Of course, now you are taking the machine gun a little too far. Since owning a machine gun isn't indicative of someone's potential, whereas summoning Byakko is, obviously. Quote:
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I guess all the chosen children except Taichi in Digimon Adventure were useless, because after two whole episodes, only Taichi was the one who managed to evolve. |
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2013-04-12, 19:19 | Link #443 | |
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Both Daichi and Io tried something in episode 1. This is nowhere to be found in episode 2. Io didn't even bother checking her demons like Daichi did. I don't even know if you're addressing my points anymore or just getting defensive. Bottom line: prove to me Daichi and Io weren't useless this episode, specifically the church scene. I don't like how that was handled, nor do I believe Daichi and Io should have been powerless to do anything. Byakko does not excuse this. Unless I'm mistaken, I have a basis for my dissatisfaction. |
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2013-04-12, 19:24 | Link #444 |
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I can't be assed to quote hahahaha. Can't into forum argument.
Shadow, I don't know how you see it when you're writing it yourself, but your arguments always appear to be heavily criticizing the alterations made to the development of the characters and the developments of the narrative. If you are not biased by your preconceptions, then pray tell, why the comparisions? You're not showing objectivity in your arguments when you bring out "what was suppose to be", when in fact, there's nothing objectively wrong with how they're presenting the Hibiki and Yamato relationship. It's a pretty generic start, sure, but you're referencing a relationship development that spanned the course of almost half the game when we've only just seen the start of it in the anime. How's that being fair? And that same thing applies to the rest of your argument; you have the scope of the entire game's narrative and you're comparing it to an anime that's barely begun, where the scope of Kishi's vision for it still hasn't been fully understood. How is that fair? Sure, there are iffy spots, and that's where I agree with your point on Daichi and Io. Character dynamics aren't being balanced well at all. And I kinda wrote that after being so frustrated with all the game comparisons. I swear, it was the same thing back when P4A was airing. Not exactly my most well-thought out argument, but my point on this still stands. Last edited by com_gwp; 2013-04-12 at 19:39. |
2013-04-12, 19:38 | Link #445 | |
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I admit I got frustrated as well, but my point behind Hibiki was that he shouldn't be the only gifted character out of all his friends but the most competent in a group of already competent friends. I don't like they way they're elevating Hibiki's "gifted" status, because it gives the audience reason think it's fine Daichi and Io stay on the sidelines. From an anime only standpoint, they're forgettable side characters. The problem is that they're not side characters. If I wanted it to be faithful to the game, I would be complaining why there is that church scene at all. Instead however I'm suggesting that they could handled it in a better way by letting Daichi and Io help out. Why can't they? No one seems to actually answer this question. I'm not saying the entire anime is going to be garbage or something; just that this episode is not a strong start. |
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2013-04-12, 19:43 | Link #446 |
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I'm not disagreeing on this point because it is an objective flaw when character dynamics aren't being balanced well. Though to be fair on Io, she's acting pretty much as a disaster victim would after seeing her home area destroyed, and they did shape her up by the end of it. |
2013-04-12, 21:16 | Link #447 | |
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So the second episode is mostly about portraying the characters and how they react when they know the situation.
I like how they made Hibiki resolute to fight without making it cheesy. Yeah, the world is going to end, running away is not an option so why don't we just face it and see what we can do. For me it's realistic enough. We still don't know much about the setting though, other than the world is being threatened by the demons (don't remember the name) from other world/dimension. JP is our world's defender but their leader, Yamato, is an ambiguous character (are they trying to make him look suspicious?). He was having a chit chat with the mysterious guy who spoke mysterious things and another guy was shown vowing to stop him. What will happen next? Let's see how it get unfold. Quote:
IMHO I think people should stop comparing the anime and the game. They are different media. |
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2013-04-12, 22:17 | Link #448 |
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An ADAPTATION by its very nature invites comparison with the original work. Anyone who wants to watch them should know that coming in and if a person can't stand that, then they shouldn't go watching adaptations and should stick to original works.
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2013-04-12, 22:57 | Link #449 |
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Io got a very symbolic scene later on where she can shine, Daichi is vital to the ending if they decide to go for what I think is the most probable one. If the anime pace properly they could still have time to be important in the overall structure of things.
This episode is about Hibiki's resolution, not about "hey we are this same group". Yes you can question the writer's decision to focus on solely Hibiki in this episode, starting with the preferential treatment when they get into JPs headquarter. Also they would have to upgrade/evolve/fusion for higher level demons later on, Byakko is not good enough for the final boss. To be honest though, even in the game I don't really care about either Daichi nor Io unless it's their vital scene in the overall story, I'm more interested in the Nagoya group. Heck, the first ending I went to is AO's one since I thought we were buddies and didn't realise how difficult it would be. Again, you shouldn't have too much of an expectation to begin with since they announced that it's going to be 13eps. Some parts will have to be sacrificed for the sake of time.
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2013-04-13, 05:29 | Link #452 |
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I wonder if it could really be a split-cours show. If they give each full day 3 episodes, then 13 episodes would end with Day 5. The events on that day are also pretty climatic in terms of action, while leading in to the final stage of the story. That would give then 4 episodes per day for the final 3 days of the story if they have another 12 episode season in Fall.
Incidentally, from all the trailers they have released on the show so far, I don't think I've seen anything beyond Day 5... Hmm... I guess the alternative is that they could be doing one episode for Day 1, three episodes for Day 2, two episodes each for Day 3-5, and then one episode each for Day 6-8. Lol! |
2013-04-13, 05:35 | Link #453 | |
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One or two eps per day. Forget about all the random irrelevant moments. It ain't rocket science.
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2013-04-13, 05:47 | Link #454 | |
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Then again, this is the director of Persona 4 the Animation, so I guess that shouldn't be surprising to anyone! :P |
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2013-04-13, 06:23 | Link #455 |
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This 'pacing issue' that you've mentioned of it's solely because you compared it to game. There's nothing wrong with the pacing for me since it didn't go full WTF moment that made you confused on what's actually happening in the anime. You still get the sense of progression in these two episodes; you see Hibiki manning up then made his decision. We also get a sense of what's happening in the world without cramming up too much information to handle.
The more important character and story events might be linked up in later episodes with some original plot lines that still retains some of the game story. Let's say that a certain important event in later days will then be connected with Io's development as a character. I can see that's happening in 1-2 episode that doesn't feel rushed at all. I can even see Airi and Hinako development crammed up in one episode if you cooperate it with main plot too Of course that is, if you're not hoping too much that it will stay the same as the game. Honestly, does any viewers that haven't played the game yet feels that it's rushed at this point? If it's so then I stand corrected.
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2013-04-13, 09:07 | Link #458 |
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Anime-only viewer here to give her opinion. No, I don't feel that the pacing is off. It's neither too fast paced nor too slow. The first episode introduced me to some of the character cast and a healthy dose of action. The second episode introduced me to the story's world, more characters, and a dose of action. That seemed about right to me.
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2013-04-13, 09:22 | Link #459 |
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I think people are worried about the upcoming content when they complain about the pacing. If you come in blind, yes the first two episodes is doing a decent job telling a story. We are just extremely worried as to how this show will end up
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2013-04-13, 14:34 | Link #460 |
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Doesn't seem that way to me, but supposing for a second that it's true, that's still 8 whole episodes left.
That said, time IS short and some people might feel it's "rushed" in the end. But uhh, it's too early to say it's "rushed", because it's just the second episode. I'd advise you to not complain about stuff that hasn't happened yet. |
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