2006-08-13, 10:30 | Link #41 |
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Yes, there was a lot of manpover, but it still wasnt enaugh in the end :P After all Shinn himself said that Freedom is the strongest unit at the time, so it seems logical to counter it with the best they have. Besides, Impulse is the only Gundam ZAFT has at that time, so its no surprise its Minerva's mission to take it out.
Biggest plothole of Freedomed ep was Kira surviving it, let alone without any injuries.
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But yeah. The Angel down episode was full of plotholes and that is one of them. Although my favourite is Shinn switching his weaponry from saber to laser quicker than Lucky Luke.
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2006-08-13, 11:36 | Link #44 | |
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Listenened to the first SEED OST today. Damn that was nostalgic. I have got to rewatch SEED again.
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2006-08-13, 12:13 | Link #46 |
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(I'm only a mainstream viewer, don't expect me to provide some valid and worthy reasons )
Best : - the 7 or 8 first episodes where I still had interest and Athrun was awesome. - When Cagalli got her bling bling MS (yes, I'm a Cagalli fangirl ). Worst : - Definitely episode 46 with the "Pretty woman" sequence. - Episode 50 : "All these episodes for...THAT!" - Jesus Christ, it's a recap...again! Get in the car!
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2006-08-13, 12:39 | Link #47 | |
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2006-08-13, 13:48 | Link #49 |
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Heaven's Base- Need I say why? LOGOS was winning (and EAF grunts were actually killing things) then the DEM Gundams show up and it all goes to shit. Destroy deserved better than that... The Flock of Windams debacle- nuff said The announcement of LOGOS' existence- Let me get this straight: the leader of an enemy nation comes on TV and says "your government is being led by an evil organization" and people actually believed him? And actually acted on it! Would have been better, story-wise, if LOGOS had never actually existed and Dullindal was just manipulating the idiot masses of CE into doing his dirty work for him (I believe one of the people the mob kills even implies this, actually!) Episode 34- It felt kind of half-assed. Not only do Shinn fans crow about it, but it's full of plotholes and wierd crap. At the very least, I wanted Kira to shoot down a bunch of Impulse's replacement parts. Then there's the matter of the magical beam tip on Impulse's sword...
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2006-08-13, 19:23 | Link #50 | |
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Secondly, have you seen eps 23 and 28?? With the AA pwning everyone and screwing ZAFT over...Also in ep 34 don't you hear that old commander telling the young commander that he don't know jack about the legendary AA and their MS FREEDOM...and how they almost single-handedly won the last war (and how they can't just attack them with full strength, but also be smart and wait for the MINERVA)....All things considered (Like Dully's biggest fear of them being the one spoil in his plans), they didn't send enuff troops...They shoulda pulled an Alexander The Great on their a$$ess...So no they didn't overdo it, they actually underdid it..If they could have sent out Rey and Luna they might have had a chance to shoot the AA down while the Good vs. Evil Gundam duked it out...
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2006-08-13, 20:20 | Link #51 |
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since the best and lousys are mixed together, i can't really differentiate which episode is which.. but i can still remember the parts i really hang on it every week (means that until now i still watch my favourite scenes in GSD eery week XD)
1st: Athrun ripping Shinn skillfully in bandage 2nd: The appearance of SF 3rd: The association of Athrun, Yzak n Dearka The lousy parts?? too many.. even i cannot describe it... >.< |
2006-08-13, 21:23 | Link #53 | |
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And while chasing AA wasn't exactly a bad episode per say since the situation and what happened in the battle demands that AA being treated as a worrisome existence is rational (( we can always assume LOGOS was primary, but AA is one the route to LOGOS )), Dully's crap reasonings in Phase 36 made it totally shit and I can't believe that Athrun actually fell for his crap until Meer appeared. He talked jack about "whee AA don' t join me, so I can blast their asses away. Oh, and since I'm such a nice guy who tries to actually talk before fight, for some reason, I never asked AA for help on my own initiative. At. All." AA themselves were not sure whether or not they can or cannot trust Dullindal, and Dullindal's clearly not trying to reach out to them and shatter that opinion of him from AA since he's trying to kill them. In fact, if Dullindal actually tried to reach out to Lacus and co. and arrange a meeting, whatever whatever pacifist talks to prove that he walks the road of peace and wasn't the assassin (( however that is possible )), he could've positioned himself way better. |
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2006-08-13, 23:06 | Link #55 |
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The moment you've been waiting for^^...
Top 5 BEST executed episodes: Spoiler for Ep1 Enraged Eyes:
Spoiler for Ep3 Ominous Gunfire:
Spoiler for Ep19 Unseen Truth:
Spoiler for Ep28 The Remaining Life, The Fallen Life:
Spoiler for Ep 36 Athrun Escapes:
Don't get me wrong there were a few eps in the first half of the show that had some questionable execution, but the eps in the second-half that did were much more glaring... Top 5 worst executed episodes Spoiler for Ep29 FATES:
Spoiler for Ep37 The Thundering Darkness:
Spoiler for Ep40 Golden Intentions:
Spoiler for ep42 Freedom and Justice:
Spoiler for Ep50 Final Power //Final Plus:
Agree? Disagree? Hate me? I await the debate...
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2006-08-14, 00:19 | Link #56 |
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WD, I think the episode 42 was pretty cool. Seeing Shinn take on a better gundam like that was pretty cool. I mean we didn't get to see the Destiny in action that mutch and I think he did a good job against the the Super god Freedom.
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2006-08-14, 00:57 | Link #57 |
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Freedom was never, never, ever shown as delibrately firing its beams at Shinn's family. It was always, always, always crossfire between Freedom and Calamity. But somehow because of a real botched Kira vs Shinn rivalry (if you can even call it that, more like Shinn vs Freedom), it has to be assumed that Kira's shot was delibrately intended for Shinn's family.
Seriously, all of you that think Freedom did it go fucking watch episode one again and take a good look at that sequence. Let me break it down for you in case you're too dumb to see it. 1. Calamity fires 2. Freedom fires 3. Big Explosion 4. Shinn goes flying 5. Oh shit bloody body parts everywhere Crossfire people. CROSSFIRE. C-R-O-S-S-F-I-R-E. You do not know how fucking angry it makes me every time I see "OMGZ BUT FREEDOM TOTALLY KILLED HIS FAM YO!" Right up there with "Freedom was made for Yzak dude!" and "Kira has a no killing policy!!" Jesus people totally fail at watching anime sometimes. @Nightengale For what it's worth, and I know that no one is going to know this since SE II isn't out yet, but I translated it so I may as well throw this out there, in the scene where Durandal talks to Athrun about the Archangel after the tea party discussion with everyone else, he says to Athrun that he wants to get in contact with Archangel to see if they'll fight alongside him (in the series he says he wants to find them because he thinks Lacus is with them and wants her to come back to the PLANTs). I know it's not much but I'm pretty sure they're going to change his lines in SE III during that part of ep 36 to say "I tried to ask for their help but they didn't want to play with me!" or some shit. If anything it makes the situation worse because god knows the only methods of "getting in touch" with Archangel he took was a team of special ops Coordinators he sent to Orb before they even left.
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2006-08-14, 01:10 | Link #58 |
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I know Dullindal talked about contacting AA and Lacus. What I was referring to was Athrun believing (( albeit hesitantly, and slightly furious )) at Gilly's bullshit at Phase 36. Athrun of all people should've known that Kira and co. was wary, but it's not like they were "Dullindal sent those ASHes. I know it. I can feel the force telling me" and following Gilbert's words on how blah blah blah he wants to work together, he should had known that AA never recieved any coms or messages of peace/negotiation/alliance from Gilbert directly or indirectly, and Gilbert never wanted to, cause he wants them dead. Especially Kira and Lacus.
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Episode 1
CALAMITY shoots then FREEDOM with all 30 of it's weapons shoots...After Freedom shoots Shinn's family dies indirectly...CALAMITY is aiming toward FREEDOM which is up...FREEDOM is aiming toward CALAMITY which is down...I don't know about those people watching the Spoon-eps xD, but if you watched the TV broadcasts eps this is what happened... One blast shooting up at FREEDOM vs. like 40 beams coming from FREEDOM (shooting down) at CALAMITY which is near ground level (Near where Shinn and his family is)...Now do you think CALAMITY's airborne shot or Kira's plethora of beams were the culprit? But don't worry Kira-irrationals...Fukuda and his wife saw what I saw so in episode 20 (11:19) FREEDOM is totally removed from Shinn's flashback as not to suggest what episode 1 surley does...Anime is about interpretating what you see...One person thinks "oh that had to be a crossfire", while another person sees Kira as the last person who took the shot aiming in a direction that requires one to put 2 + 2 together...But Jesus people totally fail at T-H-O-U-G-H-T sometimes....
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2006-08-14, 02:09 | Link #60 | |
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Excuse me, did you want them to show Freedom walking up to Shinn's family, Kira doing a maniacal laugh and then stomp on them ? First part - Freedom fires his rifle at Calamity and hits ground just behind Shinn's family, creating an explosion just behind their family. All is ok and they continue running and Shinn runs to get the cell phone. Calamity(standing on ground) fires at freedom(flying in air) and misses, Freedom spreads its wings and spams its beams down on Calamity. We see a big boom and Shinn's family is gone. If your Kira fanboyism prevents you from doing 2+2 i cant help you. And Freedom was made for Yzak, its only logical considering he was the second best pilot in the ZAFT, whose mother is member of council and Zala supporter. But hey, its not like you will notice the facts because you obviously think that ZAFT built Freedom for Kira to steal it so the Clyne faction would have better chanse at beating ZAFT and EA. You truly fail at watching this @WD lol, we made pretty similar posts at the same time :P
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