2008-11-23, 00:21 | Link #1383 | |
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Oh don't forget, Luke is almost an Adult (most of the people his age and younger have more common sense and maturity than him). It just seems like you're view Luke as a toddler, but he is far from it. There is no excuse for killing so many people, it's murder and in the U.S. that's jail time or death row. His master aimed the gun but he pulled the trigger without questioning when so many were questioning his teacher's actions. ARG, I can't go on anymore about ep 8, it's the past, time to watch ep 9! Ok just watched 9 Spoiler for Ep 9:
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2008-11-23, 02:00 | Link #1384 |
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Man.. Luke is so darn lame. Living a sheltered life might make you naive and some what dimwitted, but it certainly doesn't make you a complete jerk. The sheltered life is not exactly an excuse for his appalling behavior.
You'd think that at least he'd have the decency to feel regret or remorse for anything instead of blaming it on something else and expecting people to believe him. Well... can Asch just kill Luke now and replace him as the main character? I'd like that
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2008-11-23, 08:25 | Link #1389 | |
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2008-11-23, 15:01 | Link #1390 |
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It is not really technically either. Luke was born 7 years ago, ergo he is 7 years old. There is no ifs and or buts. Luke was someone that had the maturity of a little boy and was forced into a role that he was not prepared to fill.
I wonder what was the reason for the change, because there is a reason why he is such a huge jerk even to Natalia. |
2008-11-23, 16:07 | Link #1391 | |
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A replica who looks and thinks like an old man born two years ago would be treated as an old man, and not as a kid. Minus whatever prejudiced views of course. As for Asch's improvement, I admit it's kind of amusing to see him "improved". I guess the anime staff figured that it's enough that Luke played the jerk for a while. In the game, Asch's personality can be pretty one dimensional. In other words, he's just angry and acts like a douche to everyone. Spoiler for episode 9:
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2008-11-23, 16:27 | Link #1392 | |
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Luke was not a replica made to look and think like a ten year old Asche, he was just made to look like Asche while the mind was still blank like that of a child's. It only seems one dimensional if you look at the events separately but once you know the reason and the misinterpretation of information on his part, you realize why he did those things and why he was such a douche especially to Natalia and Luke. And really he fluctuates alot in the game so you can not really call it one dimensional. |
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At this point, it seems that we'll get some character "improvements" in the coming episodes. Last edited by kujoe; 2008-11-23 at 17:01. |
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2008-11-23, 17:00 | Link #1394 | |
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I am not questioning your standards of viewing his attitude, only the assertion that it was one dimensional. Which as I attempted to explain without going into much detail, that he was not angry for no reason but rather there were complicated reasons behind it. |
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2008-11-23, 17:09 | Link #1395 | |
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When you say that, I'm not even sure if you were thinking the same thing as I did.
But the thing with a replica like Luke (and my point) is, that from a blank state he can mature to his intended age. My point is, it's not that simple to refer to him as a mere "kid" simply because he was born a few years ago or so. It's not as clear cut as that, and the standard is different. After the fall of Akzeriuth, Luke has really no choice but to grow up and face the consequences of his actions. If we were to apply a human standard of maturity, then Tear would be a shotacon in the making. Quote:
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2008-11-23, 17:23 | Link #1396 | |
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Physically Luke is older but mentally he is not, but Akzeriuth is what he needed to attain that maturity. Guy mentions in the game that he views Luke as being only seven years old. Well if you understand the back story then you can also understand the contradictions behind a lot of his actions. He is a jerk to everyone, but looking at it he is not doing so for the sake of being an asshole and there are times when his actions contradict his jerkish exterior because of the emotions of the situation he is going through. That and the fact that he does develop and change, by definition means he is not one dimensional. |
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2008-11-23, 17:37 | Link #1397 | ||
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Guy of course, has been there to help take care of the young Luke, so his views are more brotherly in that sense. All in all, just labeling him a kid is quite problematic when the people around him are also in conflict in treating him as a person. Quote:
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2008-11-23, 21:59 | Link #1398 | |
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And I believe that you who have played the game would know that even if Luke looked and was five years old they still would have sent him to Akzeriuth if the score dictated as much. It was not about trusting Luke to handle the responsibility of his job. It is more that they were so used to adhering to the score that they let it dictate their actions. No body is saying that they were treating Luke as a child but that it was what Luke was acting like and that it is because essentially he is a child. And I think you are misunderstanding, it is not about labeling him as "just a kid" but understanding that he essentially had the mental maturity of a child that lived an extremely sheltered life and was shoved into a role he was not prepared to fill. It is not a free pass for the crap he has said and did but more about understanding the how and why. Once again, I am not arguing that Asche does not have a negative side because he did. Just that I disagreed with your assessment that it was one dimensional. I am not even trying to get you to like him or anything, just clarifying that his character had depth. |
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2008-11-23, 23:32 | Link #1399 |
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If you ask me (based on what I've seen so far, anyway -- I haven't played the game and don't want to know...), I think the real issue is that "nobody" realized (until recently) that Luke wasn't the same Luke they all knew. Because they thought that deep down it was the "same old Luke", they imagined that his personality would return to his old self once he regained his lost time. Even though he's a replica, he isn't the same "Luke". That combined with the lies he was being fed by Van combined to form his impression of the world -- that nobody understands who he really is (because they were trying to bring back the old Luke that he was not) except for Van (who kept telling him that he was important for who he is and what he could do). So whether his "age" was 7 or 17 isn't the real issue, I don't think. He was trapped living a life that wasn't his, and in that lie the only thing that appealed to him was having his ego fed (because it was the only thing he knew of "himself"). Basically, he was being manipulated in many ways, I think.
That's not to excuse his attitude or his clouded judgment, but I would say that he should be pitied rather than hated. He definitely needed the wake-up call, even if it came at a huge price. Now that he doesn't have to act under the pretense of regaining an identity that was never his to begin with, and that he's no longer being fed lies designed only to manipulate his ego, he can actually discover who he really is. I guess that'll be the point of the rest of the show, more or less. Anyway, I think it's interesting because, although Luke was definitely setting himself up to be hated in many ways, I guess you could say that it's sort of like The Score in that there's a certain thread of fate that binds his actions together and cause them to make sense in context. I suppose that's what's called the story. |
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Perhaps there's some unintended misunderstanding from my previous posts. What I mean is, it's not because he is seven. It's because he's a replica who hasn't matured as intended. Citing mere age as a reason with regard to replicas cannot apply. Quote:
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