2008-06-07, 23:34 | Link #323 |
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My opionion on GsG + Sequel:
This is the most per.verted show I have so far seen. And I dont mean the overall story/setup. But rather how it all is portrayed. Like the government people being the "good guys" (use of music etc. strongly suggests that). In order to undermine this "goodness" the makers come up with a pretty lame plot about some "evil terrorists". Noteable was also the "child abuse case" where the abused child is then promptly transformed into a brainwashed to-be-abused slave. That is then considered "being saved" by the characters. One could think that this would be deliberate irony or something like that. But I did not get any such impression as that would also contradict the overall tone. Another thing is the use of music. If the show would be mostly about the girls it might be possible to consider it appropriate. But especially for the section 2 people it is completely off. As if they would be brainwashed and enslaved like the girls. The anime seems to be overflowing with messages to the watcher. I did not get any of them however. Guessing wildly it was supposed to be stuff like "greater good is the right thing" and "conditioning equals love". Edit: Found some interesting analogy. The girls are "dog-ified". They behave like dogs: They have a master fixation. They are eager to please their master. They "love" their master. Are willing to sacrifice themselves for their master. Their sense of right and wrong is what their master thinks. Their lifespan is (probably) close to a dogs. Etc. They also are treated like dogs: Like they mustnt go out alone = "lashed". They are used for missions like dogs. Concluding from that the real message might have something to do with dogs too? Last edited by Sezren; 2008-06-08 at 01:18. Reason: Added Paragraph about dog analogy. |
2008-06-08, 05:55 | Link #326 |
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Interesting opinion, but for me the ''moral issue'' was the reason why I start to read the manga , for the ''disturbing'' stuff'' . I thing it is not for giving a message to the watcher/reader but to make him thinking about all that . Don't forget than some of the ''brother'' have issue with the ''conditioning'' .
Speaking of ''dog -ified'' for the girl is inapropriate, they don't get all the same amound of ''conditioning'', this could fitting Rico ( at many level...) but Enrietta and Triella ( especially Triella) get less , and have otherkind of relation with their ''brother''. ( I did not not watch the second season, so all I can is to speak about the first season and the manga .) |
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I dont see that. See reasons listet. They act far more like dogs than normal humans. So their conditioning has moved them very strongly towards dog-like acting. Of course they do not suddenly have a dog brain in a human body. Quote:
Edit: Another dog analogy: The master-dog "relationship" is initiated by the master/human choosing/buying the girl/dog. The girl/dog gets no say in the matter. The girl/dog is conditioned by technology/genes to form at some time early in her/its (new) life the lifelong loyalty towards the master/human. Last edited by Sezren; 2008-06-08 at 06:35. Reason: Added new dog analogy. |
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2008-06-08, 07:34 | Link #328 | |
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Can't really speak about season 2 either since haven't seen it yet but from what I do remember, season 1 did a good job of keeping most of the characters in the gray area rather than explicitly painting them as black or white. As mentioned earlier, some of the handlers (specifically Hillshire and Giusepp) had qualms about the system and it's implied that Raballo even dies as a consequence. Also, recall the scene where Franco and Franca encounter Henrietta in Spain Square
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Besides, some of the girls (Triella and Claes at least) are shown to be capable of thinking for themselves, sometimes even acting against the instructions of their hander.
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Edit: The differences might also stem from the masters desires. The masters (at least not all of them) do obviously not see them as dogs or machines or whatever. The brainwashing isnt done to the masters. It is done to the girls. Last edited by Sezren; 2008-06-08 at 08:56. Reason: Difference in relationships. |
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If you are saying that there are similarities between dog and child. Then yes they are. However in this case the dog analogy fits better. For example: Children have a future where they get (or can get) free from their parents. The girls/dogs have no such perspective. They are meant to always be bound. |
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2008-06-09, 00:54 | Link #333 |
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The Gunslinger Girls series always gave me the feel that the manga was better than the anime, not least because season 2 saw fit to change the vocal cast, which, to me, says that the animators are not treating the animation adaptation seriously.
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2008-06-09, 10:27 | Link #334 | ||
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Again, just speaking for the manga and season 1. Season 2 was a failure in the eyes of most fans anyway.
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IMO, what really sets GsG apart from other series is the ambiguity. The fact that you're already doubting the morality of the protagonists rather than automatically rooting for any side only goes to show that the show was successful in making the audience question the system. It's a system built on compromise, sacrifice, guilt, and loss of innocence and I think the main point of the show is to make us wonder if it was all worth it despite the number of lives they have saved in the process. If you want something simpler with clear-cut good guys and bad guys, you could just stick to other shows like SaiKano or Death Note.
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2008-08-07, 13:45 | Link #339 | |
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For school i must research internet copyrights but for some reason there's not a lot about these things when its about anime or foriegn language stuff? :? Thanks! :?:? Last edited by flowerkill; 2008-08-07 at 15:01. |
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2008-08-07, 14:00 | Link #340 |
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I really am anticipating the moment that I see this anime. I have heard some bad things, and even been told to avoid it...but AS IF I am going to do that! I do not care if people do say that it is crap. I am a huge fan of Gunslinger Girl, Manga and Anime, therefore I will watch this series either way. Even if it does turn out not so good I would still rather watch it myself as opposed to just being told about it. I will decide if I like it or not for myself, thankyou.
Nontheless I am still looking forward to it. I am an easy audience so I will most likely find something really good in it. I adored the first series too, one of my biggest favourites. I will get it on DVD as I have done with the first series, not to mention all of my other anime series' too. |
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