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2011-01-09, 12:40 | Link #11262 |
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China is simply practicing unrestrained capitalism. In a lot of ways, it's just like the US in it's industrial revolution. We didn't care about pollution, or labor, or stealing ideas, or substituting cheaper and more deadly compounds to make a buck.
In short, privatize profits while socializing costs. Eventually, our people got so upset that we got regulations put in place, but China doesn't have this yet. They are rapidly poisoning their rivers and environment, though, so it's a matter of time before they destroy their natural resources and mass poisoning and starvation takes place. It may be awhile, though. |
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2011-01-09, 15:45 | Link #11264 | |||
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Their mantra is always "you need to give up your rights a little to save lives." However, there is no credible evidence to suggest that gun bans do anything to deter crime or save lives in the US. It may work in other countries like say Australia, where the standard of living is higher than in the US, but in countries with a lower standard of living (like Mexico) its useless. The more I read the statistics on gun crime the more I learn that the majority of it takes place in impoverished areas of cities and in destitute countries. If we want to stop the majority of gun crime we're going to have to address the actual social and economic issues and not get caught up in the emotional knee-jerk reaction to just "ban guns." It's like banning abortion to stop woman who can't afford to have a child from getting one, she will just get one illegally; or banning gay marriage to try and stop homosexuals from being in love, they're going to be together no matter what. Bans are stupid, can be dangerous, and clearly do not work. Quote:
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Switzerland has a high standard of living and very little gun crime yet its citizens are required to own actual military assault rifles. While France has banned everything except hunting rifles and shotguns for only qualified persons and yet their gun crime is higher than Switzerland. Why? Clearly guns have nothing to do with it. Australia is another good example. Gun crime has fallen (if you want to call it that) since their ban, but knife crime has skyrocketed. source: http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide/weapon.aspx Although gun crime in Australia was down from 1992 to 2007, it rose by 9% in 07, and has now gone back down. The problem with using Australia as a source is that they have only had between 200-300 murders per year since 1993. Thus the trend before and after Australia's strict gun-control laws has remained pretty much the same. That trend has been a steady downward arch since 1915. The point being that a decline in homicide rates by firearms was going to happen with or without stricter gun control laws as evident by the trend already taking shape from 1915. The overall worldwide trend in 1st world countries has been a decline in violent crimes. However, the United States still has a very high level of violent crime compared to other countries with loose gun laws like Switzerland and Finnland. One of the prime factors in the United States for this trend in gun related violence is the exitence of drug gangs. Gang use of firearms for homicide comprises the bulk of the use of guns in violent crime in the United States as this Dept of Justice chart clearly shows: If we as a society wanted to be truthful about the problem with gun violence in the US. We'd start going after gangs by depriving them of their primary source of income and legalizing drugs. Clearly drug cartels and gangs will get guns from whatever source required since they have vast sums of money at their disposal. The war on drugs in the US has created greater problems than it was meant to solve.
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2011-01-09, 15:55 | Link #11265 |
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Basically the third world-like culture (or perhaps more accurately living conditions) living within the first world country would be seen as the main cause of violence in the United States of America.
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2011-01-09, 16:16 | Link #11267 | |
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Might I politely suggest moving the gun discussion to the appropriate thread?
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2011-01-09, 17:53 | Link #11268 | |||
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Sounds like the Korean cloning case a number of years back. I am pretty skeptical until they release an outline of the methodology they use to encode the data into the bacteria. Quote:
What's next, soylent green?
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2011-01-09, 17:57 | Link #11269 | ||
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2011-01-09, 18:28 | Link #11272 |
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Seriously... why ppl focus so much in guns instead of what actually generates crime. So you ban guns so what? There are so many ways to kill without guns. Also if guns are banned then it can smuggled.
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2011-01-09, 18:54 | Link #11275 |
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Either someone has a sick sense of humor, or someone is spun a little too tight.
In other news: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40989648...ideastn_africa "71 dead, 35 survive as IranAir jet crashes on landing " At least they didn't blame this on the West or Israel. Though as noted sactions have made it more difficult to maintain 30 year old American built airliners. One wonders if they aren't learning from the difficulty, or are just stubbon.
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2011-01-09, 19:05 | Link #11276 | ||||
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Then those are the issues that need to be addressed, without violating the rights of citizens of the united states.
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http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/284/5/585.full They determined that the only positive effect was that men 55 years or older were less likely to use a firearm for suicide. The general decline in homicide rate had already begun prior to 1985 and were downtrending without any new gun control laws. Thus the effect of the Brady law on crime was nil. Therefore, why do we as US citizens still have to go through the Brady background check if its effect on preventing criminals from acquiring guns is nil? The study also factored in secondary sales by non-FFL holders, which only adds to the fact that all gun control laws are useless due to the sheer number of firearms in private hands. In Colorado, and other states, laws have been enacted that require all private sales to go through a licensed gun-dealer. Do people obey these laws? Quote:
That kind of slippery slope argument is illogical because murder requires an action against another person and you should know better than to compare owning a gun to committing murder. Stop with the logical fallacies already. Quote:
But then again, France doesn't exactly have the gang culture of the United States either. My point is simple, gun control doesn't deter violent crime, nor does it prevent murder. Therefore, in a country with a protected right to bear arms, how can any gun control law be justified? It's not like it even helps stop violent crime, it simply has no effect. Quote:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/20/...ics/index.html No new gun laws have passed, in fact the 1994 assault weapon ban ended in 2004 and homicides still dropped. Delinquents will acquire guns any way they can if they're determined to do so. No amount of gun control is going to stop that and the claim that gun control laws makes it more difficult for them to acquire them is fallacious. What delinquents need is a good ass whipping to get them in line. Maybe we should start having Spoiled-Brat-Control laws instead of gun control. In news related to this weekend of wackjobs: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110107/...tabbing_attack Chavez pisses off farmers: http://www.wtop.com/?nid=105&sid=2228334
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2011-01-09, 19:24 | Link #11277 |
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One wonder how many "wackjobs" and the like (or extremist in general) are influenced by the thought that "the world will end soon", either as a finalistic point of view or a religious point of view?
They need to seriously stop hyping 2012...even the Incan decendents call it bunk.
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2011-01-09, 19:34 | Link #11278 |
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I know what you mean Ithekro.
It seems like some people want this 2012 nonsense to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. More about the AZ shooting situation, or rather the fallout that may come from it. Oh boy, here we go. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...e-free-speech/ This is why I wish this wouldn't be political. http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/val...ed_shooter.php In other news: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6316eb4a-1...#axzz1AaWWD4KY
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But MEIN KAMPF!? WTF!? I thought it should have been banned!
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