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Strigon 13 · 2013-12-12, 00:26

So.....

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Researched:
IS-8 researched. Undistributed experience spent: 154.915. Free Experience spent: 9.785.

I really don't know if buy it now, or just wait for a sale.

LeoXiao · 2013-12-12, 01:08

I'm waiting for Christmas to buy new stuff. Some sort of sale is sure to be on.

Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-12-12, 01:42

I threw some free XP into the British artillery line to unlock the Birch Gun, though I didn't purchase it yet. Yes, I want to see how amusing the FV304 is.

In the category of free XP black holes, I am questioning my purchase but so far continued non-use of the M46 Patton while I have several other projects that could probably make better use of the 90K free XP required for the turret and final gun.

Blaat · 2013-12-12, 03:58

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Originally Posted by LeoXiao

On the forums some Taiwanese guy said the lines and accent were weird, but I find them okay.
My favorite voices are the French, makes it hard to imagine that these were the guys who lost because they all camped in a stupid line.

If only the French had designed the Foch 155 sooner than they'd have easily won the Battle of France and justify their camping tactics.

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Originally Posted by LeoXiao

Grinding the French tanks is no fun. I'm glad I left that particular task to my brother.

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Originally Posted by Endless Knackwurst

French grind: I'm curious enough about the AMX 50 100 to be presently subjecting myself to the ARL 44. Ye gods that aim time.

I really enjoyed the ARL, I'd recommend using the 90 mm F3, it has the best DPM and aim time out of all the ARL guns. And 170 pen is enough for Tier 6 and 7 tanks.

The AMX M4 is okayish, the turret can be surprisingly bouncy and the 90 mm DCA 45 has a better aim time on it.

Pen3 · 2013-12-12, 04:14

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Originally Posted by Strigon 13

So.....

I really don't know if buy it now, or just wait for a sale.

You wasted free xp on a tank you're not sure if you want to buy...

LeoXiao · 2013-12-12, 04:19

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Originally Posted by Blaat

If only the French had designed the Foch 155 sooner than they'd have easily won the Battle of France and justify their camping tactics.

Holy shit I should totally draw a doujin called "Rommel Yoloswags Through Belgium to a Predictable End - French Historical Fantasy Version"

TheFluff · 2013-12-12, 07:53

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Originally Posted by Endless Knackwurst

French grind: I'm curious enough about the AMX 50 100 to be presently subjecting myself to the ARL 44. Ye gods that aim time.

The ARL 44 is an absolute piece of shit stock but when fully unlocked it's arguably better than the KV-1S. Use the 105mm Canon 13TR and compared to the KV-1S you trade about 60-90 alpha and 10 silver pen for better DPM, better accuracy, better gun depression, better front armor and better gold pen. The APCR on that gun does 30 more alpha than the silver for some reason so don't hesitate to shoot gold.

You can easily win a duel with a KV-1S if you can hide your LFP because the rest of your front can easily bounce the KV-1S 122mm silver rounds and people don't seem to know where your weak spots are (spoilers: shoot the turret cheeks, or actually just shoot the turret period, even the gun mantlet is easier to pen than the UFP).

edit: naturally after I posted this I took mine out for a spin and did 2700 damage with 3900 potential damage received in a tier 7 game on El Halluf. We lost, of course. Fuck pubbies and fuck El Halluf forever.

Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-12-12, 09:56

I'm already on the final engine and the 105mm TR because of the magic APCR alpha (having previously used it on the S35CA and ARL V39).

I knew about the turret's weaknesses, having shot down many ARLs that way myself. I'm still practicing with the ARL's hulldown since the hull is massive and if the turret isn't positioned just right shots will go into the very weak turret sides. It's obviously much safer to roll back into cover as much as possible, but the long aim time makes moving back and forth a pain. I had a peekaboo fight with a Churchill VII last night that wasn't so good for me because it had greater ROF versus my very long aim time, which I forced a conclusion to by charging it and forcing bounces off of my front plate.

Another anecdote from yesterday: Had flank collapse around my JagdPanther, ended up having a futile last stand versus three tanks. However, along the way I killed an ELC by reverse-ramming it into the map edge.

TheFluff · 2013-12-12, 10:33

I don't like peek-and-poke around corners with the ARL because it's easy to expose your gigantic hull sides, which will not bounce anything ever. It's also very likely to get you tracked.

Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-12-12, 10:44

I try to keep the ARL moving at things with the hull straight on, maybe a bit of angling. It's somewhat like the Churchills that way, since the track mounts stick out so far into the front... except that the ARL takes damage when hit in the track mounts, so it has to be even more careful.

As far as the fight with the Churchill VII went, it wasn't around a corner as much as it was going up and around a hill... it was the lighthouse area of Cliff. The Churchill was at a 45-degree angle to me, but could pull forward and mostly just expose the turret; I was sheltered by the curve of the hillside so I was also mostly just exposing the turret. The problem was that it could pop out, aim, and shoot a lot faster than I could aim my gun at the relatively-small target that was its turret (first turret, if I hit it it would go through). So since my flank was safe, I just rushed it and put in the solid hit required to knock it out.

Strigon 13 · 2013-12-12, 10:52

Some results from last night's session:

Spoiler for Su-122-44:

Spoiler for Panzer 3/4:

RWBladewing · 2013-12-12, 10:59

^ I like the name of the guy in last place on the enemy team in the second screenshot. It's...appropriate.

Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-12-12, 11:09

Last night I encountered two different Touhou-named players in consecutive games.

It was at least a change from the Oddball/Rommel/Guderian/Wittman-named player count.

Achiuakuna · 2013-12-12, 11:52

Hehe, how fitting. I just rebought the ARL last night. So on topic.

Though I do not plan on free-xping anything on it. Still on the 170 pen 90mm and have neither of the last two guns unlocked. The 105mm looks very funny I'm gonna go for that first.

The modules are pretty expensive for a tier 6. Then I guess most of them are quite optional since the AMX M4 uses a lot of the same things.

LeoXiao · 2013-12-12, 11:55

Oh right the AMX M4 is actually decent. It's sort of like a Tiger II at tier 7 with less armor and better mobility. Gun depression isn't the worst either IIRC.

Achiuakuna · 2013-12-12, 12:00

I also find it funny that AMX M4 actually has the highest penetration among tier 7 heavies, and yet the posterchild of high penetration tier 7 heavy is always the Tiger.

Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-12-12, 12:05

I'm making sure to research the 90mm DCA 45 on the ARL 44 because it is used in some form all the way up to Tier 8.

Tak · 2013-12-12, 13:35

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Originally Posted by Achiuakuna

I also find it funny that AMX M4 actually has the highest penetration among tier 7 heavies, and yet the posterchild of high penetration tier 7 heavy is always the Tiger.

Look at it this way, at 200+ pen, the Tiger can reliably pen anything within, below or even above its tier. Combined with its fast ROF and excellent accuracy, the 88mm is a wonder to behold.

Having 9 more pen on the AMX M4 is a bit of an overkill. When combined with a relatively lower ROF, such improvement is, imo, not very significant. Not a wonder the 88mm is better regarded.

- Tak

Pen3 · 2013-12-12, 13:45

But that 105mm with the extra damage from premium ammo is a bonus.

Achiuakuna · 2013-12-12, 13:46

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Originally Posted by Tak

Look at it this way, at 200+ pen, the Tiger can reliably pen anything within, below or even above its tier. Combined with its fast ROF and excellent accuracy, the 88mm is a wonder to behold.

Having 9 more pen on the AMX M4 is a bit of an overkill. When combined with a relatively lower ROF, such improvement is, imo, not very significant.

- Tak

Maybe now, but for the majority of the game's history, Tiger's ROF and aim time had been completely terrible. The L/71 used to be my least favorite gun in the entire game because it's just insulting to give a low-dispersion gun 3 whole seconds of aim time, negating every bit of its supposed advantage(while having the snail-speed reload pre 8.8).

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2013-12-12, 10:52	Link #11111
Strigon 13 Electrosphere Join Date: Mar 2011	Some results from last night's session: Spoiler for Su-122-44: I was at 40 hp the whole fight after the 1s and t29 shot a me at the beggining of the match Spoiler for Panzer 3/4: This was done a little earlier. Nothing too impressive, but I bought time making a distraction so my teammates could finish the enemy without any worries.

2013-12-12, 01:08	Link #11102
LeoXiao 思想工作 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Vereinigte Staaten Age: 32	I'm waiting for Christmas to buy new stuff. Some sort of sale is sure to be on.

2013-12-12, 01:42	Link #11103
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	I threw some free XP into the British artillery line to unlock the Birch Gun, though I didn't purchase it yet. Yes, I want to see how amusing the FV304 is. In the category of free XP black holes, I am questioning my purchase but so far continued non-use of the M46 Patton while I have several other projects that could probably make better use of the 90K free XP required for the turret and final gun.

2013-12-12, 09:56	Link #11108
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	I'm already on the final engine and the 105mm TR because of the magic APCR alpha (having previously used it on the S35CA and ARL V39). I knew about the turret's weaknesses, having shot down many ARLs that way myself. I'm still practicing with the ARL's hulldown since the hull is massive and if the turret isn't positioned just right shots will go into the very weak turret sides. It's obviously much safer to roll back into cover as much as possible, but the long aim time makes moving back and forth a pain. I had a peekaboo fight with a Churchill VII last night that wasn't so good for me because it had greater ROF versus my very long aim time, which I forced a conclusion to by charging it and forcing bounces off of my front plate. Another anecdote from yesterday: Had flank collapse around my JagdPanther, ended up having a futile last stand versus three tanks. However, along the way I killed an ELC by reverse-ramming it into the map edge.

2013-12-12, 10:44	Link #11110
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	I try to keep the ARL moving at things with the hull straight on, maybe a bit of angling. It's somewhat like the Churchills that way, since the track mounts stick out so far into the front... except that the ARL takes damage when hit in the track mounts, so it has to be even more careful. As far as the fight with the Churchill VII went, it wasn't around a corner as much as it was going up and around a hill... it was the lighthouse area of Cliff. The Churchill was at a 45-degree angle to me, but could pull forward and mostly just expose the turret; I was sheltered by the curve of the hillside so I was also mostly just exposing the turret. The problem was that it could pop out, aim, and shoot a lot faster than I could aim my gun at the relatively-small target that was its turret (first turret, if I hit it it would go through). So since my flank was safe, I just rushed it and put in the solid hit required to knock it out.

2013-12-12, 10:59	Link #11112
RWBladewing Salt Levels Critical Join Date: Oct 2007	^ I like the name of the guy in last place on the enemy team in the second screenshot. It's...appropriate.

2013-12-12, 11:09	Link #11113
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	Last night I encountered two different Touhou-named players in consecutive games. It was at least a change from the Oddball/Rommel/Guderian/Wittman-named player count.

2013-12-12, 11:52	Link #11114
Achiuakuna Kimo-kimo-ii~ Join Date: May 2013 Location: Avoiding people.	Hehe, how fitting. I just rebought the ARL last night. So on topic. Though I do not plan on free-xping anything on it. Still on the 170 pen 90mm and have neither of the last two guns unlocked. The 105mm looks very funny I'm gonna go for that first. The modules are pretty expensive for a tier 6. Then I guess most of them are quite optional since the AMX M4 uses a lot of the same things.

2013-12-12, 11:55	Link #11115
LeoXiao 思想工作 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Vereinigte Staaten Age: 32	Oh right the AMX M4 is actually decent. It's sort of like a Tiger II at tier 7 with less armor and better mobility. Gun depression isn't the worst either IIRC.

2013-12-12, 12:00	Link #11116
Achiuakuna Kimo-kimo-ii~ Join Date: May 2013 Location: Avoiding people.	I also find it funny that AMX M4 actually has the highest penetration among tier 7 heavies, and yet the posterchild of high penetration tier 7 heavy is always the Tiger.

2013-12-12, 12:05	Link #11117
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	I'm making sure to research the 90mm DCA 45 on the ARL 44 because it is used in some form all the way up to Tier 8.

2013-12-12, 13:45	Link #11119
Pen3 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	But that 105mm with the extra damage from premium ammo is a bonus.