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All of the above have been used in canon too. Illusion spells: StrikerS episode 1, Teana cast a stealth spell on Subaru and herself, allowing Subaru to sneak up on a bunch of drones. Fake silouete too of course. Speed enhancment: Ample examples here. A's has Signum and the Lieze twins do this more often then not, and even in the first season it saw use. Long range binds: A's again, episode 7 has it used against Nanoha. Decoys: The first episode of A's comes to mind, Vita using a decoy shot to close in. Fake Silouete in StrikerS 1 too. Simply sneaking up: Happens more often then you'd think. Signum and Zafira snuck up to the cast in A's 2, Lotte snuck up to Fate and got in a clean hit, to name a few. Being in the air does not mean you're all-knowing. Now, pretty much all of these techniques can be used in reverse too (Hayate using long-range binds and shooting away? Yes please!) but it goes to show that closing distance in Nanoha is not at all suicidal, and is in fact a valid tactic. Quote:
There is no 'skilled enough to sneak up on Hayate' sneaking up on oponents is a regularely used tactic in Nanoha, which means that Hayate is just as much a potential victim to it as anyone else. Last edited by Keroko; 2008-06-28 at 06:04. |
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2008-06-28, 04:48 | Link #2022 | |||
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But its still theorycrafting. I've never done tankadin at 70 as I sold my pally before BC came along. Now we'll have to depend on Crushridge to have the final verdict. Though if a mob is resistant to Taunt, does it resist RD? I'm Tau; I'm so scared that I have to stick a big fat Fish in the way of assaulters as a good luck charm. And even after all that 5th Ed gimping, I'm still wondering if I can take on Ghaz's Ravenwing proper with my Farsight list. Quote:
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2008-06-28, 04:58 | Link #2023 |
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That's one thing that bothers me... the sneaking up bit.
The devices can pick up life forms from easily detectable signatures, through solid buildings from hundreds of meters away, but they don't seem to notice enemies a stones throw away flanking you. I can understand decoy shots and then quick jinks to take advantage of the drawn attention... But things like Signum's counterstrike against Fate in the first fight in A's... she just comes right up in front of her as if out of nowhere, not so much as a warning from Bardiche, or anyone else for that matter. Being all but alone in that barrier area, you'd figure Bardiche would have noticed something like, Signum's thermal signature closing the distance and give a head's up. I know I'd appreciate the extra information a little sooner than: "BLOCKING SWORD NOW! THANK YOU!" You know, even with magic, she's not a mage version of Solid Snake, she's a Cloud Knight... She's going to be giving off some kind of signature, thermal, magical... whatever. Hell, with some of her armor and Levantin being metal, she probably has a freakin' Radar Crossection. (The RCS would be exageration of course, I doubt devices would be pumping out Radar while being HELD in a person's hands.) In fact, it continues into StrikerS, where at the begining, Raising Heart confirms the entire testing area to be all clear of bystanders before they begin. Yet devices seem to have a hard time finding people with no special stealth attributes. It's real hit and miss, and I chalk it up to another default of 7arcs... So that leaves us with the 'how do we incorporate it so it makes sense?' angle. *Ponder ponder...* |
2008-06-28, 05:10 | Link #2024 | ||
Adeptus Animus
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Simplest answer in my opinion is cloacking. Devices could be able to jam the scanning of other Devices, cloaking the presence if the wielder doesn't want to be found. It's not so much an attribute of the mage, but an attribute of the Device. Basically, as long as you don't do stuff that is too fancy, you can cloack yourself from passive scans. An active scan (such as a Wide Area Search) would still detect you, but without the mage actually casting that spell, the low level scans won't be able to find a mage who doesn't want to to be found.
Do note that every time these scans missed people was when they didn't want to be found, and they only time they were found they either revealed themselves or people were actively searching for them. Quote:
Oh, and always have Righteous Fury on. *taps chin* You know... I really don't know. Quote:
Downside being that all other squads suddenly had a chance to close in. But if the assault squads died, my chances usually rose. Whoops, missed that. Sorry. Duh. Last edited by Keroko; 2008-06-28 at 06:25. |
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2008-06-28, 09:44 | Link #2027 | ||
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And yes definitely. RF is on even in pvp. 6% extra damage reduction works anywhere. Haven't tried before either. Quote:
No prob. Working as intended. Just as planned.
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Ganbatte, and don't give up the crack! There's much- *static* *static* *sounds of someone being dragged off* Quote:
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Taunt and RD both count as spells for resist purposes, though. They both can get resisted. Quote:
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That would probably be the best explanation here...Devices cancel out other Devices without something happening. Quote:
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So you were behind this! Get him! *charges after Kha brandishing about twenty different weapons* Quote:
...which rarely happens if you want to live as a Rogue.
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Too late. Touhou is already taking firm root. Last edited by Keroko; 2008-06-28 at 17:03. |
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2008-06-28, 15:14 | Link #2032 | |
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*runs off in random direction from which he came*
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2008-06-28, 20:58 | Link #2033 | ||
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(Yes I just finished painting Farsight! ) Now if only I was as awesome a commander as Xingke/Lelouch...
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2008-06-29, 00:04 | Link #2034 | |
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*smacks Keroko for opening up a proverbial can-o-worms* You DO realise that computes, right, even when it shouldn't?
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2008-06-29, 00:05 | Link #2035 | |
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That and all of it's bike is scouting. Sure you've got 30 inch range, but i have 3+ invuls when I turbo boost, and chances are, I am going to be coming up on your weakest flank to deal as much damage as I can XD Objective combat wise, I would own you like NOBODY'S business since I can get in, grab the objective, and get the hell out of there XD
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2008-06-29, 00:44 | Link #2036 | |
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If you think Xingke and Lelouch are awesome commanders... *shakes head* I blame this on poor exposure.
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2008-06-29, 01:37 | Link #2037 | |
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Chess?! CHESS?! CHESS?! You haven't played Warhammer's version of chess until you play Warhammer Fantasy! XD *Flank charges Kha himself with Bretonnian Errant Knight Formation at S6 and overruns*
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2008-06-29, 04:05 | Link #2038 | |
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