2013-01-17, 23:00 | Link #2721 | |
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I don't think it's a good idea to lump characters with defined signature moves or styles like Nodoka, Hisa and Sumire, with characters with clearly defined superpowers like Yuu, Kuro and Momo.
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2013-01-18, 02:46 | Link #2722 | |
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For Arata, not being restricted to her bowling waits (remember: she only won once with a non-pin wait) does not at all mean that she doesn't have a skewed drawing ability as implied in Achiga. We see Yuu pull it off as well - winning off of non-warm tiles like the eight of pins/six of bamboos when her draws are explicitly mentioned to be skewed towards red tiles. What is more important is that purposely restricting her winning hands to pinfu waits most of the time is actually a detriment in normal mahjong - it makes you more predictable and less flexible, while really offering no advantages at all (Arata doesn't really seem to go for flushes); the only way for her insistence on using bowling pin waits to make sense is if she actually has a higher chance to draw bowling formations than other tiles - supported, in fact, by how all of her bowling wait wins are by tsumo. I'm not entirely sure that Hisa can classify entirely as non-ability, either. Her hell waits in the individual matches (when they weren't targeted at Bundou) skew probability by quite a bit, and she does self-draw on hell waits way more than standard probability would suggest. She did also mention that the reason she uses hell waits is because they enable her to win - and with only one winning tile remaining, you can't really guarantee winning from opponent discards enough times to justify using it as a main strategy. In addition, she can see "meaning behind the tiles", which enables her to put up a flawless defense in the match against Hajime. All of those suggest that she's an ability user in her own right. Nodoka, I think, is the only person in your list that is truly a skill-based player. Also, for the tier list, I'm not sure if we can really call it a 'tier' list as much as a classification list. For instance, there's no question that Mairu is batman and Seiko is an ability user, but we have already seen that pound-for-pound, Mairu is simply stronger than Seiko. Placing 'ability tier' before 'batman tier' in a specific tier list, for instance, mistakenly suggests that ability users are better than batmans (making 'monsters' the only class that is fully accurate as a tier). It would make sense in segmenting the players into groups, but can't really be called 'tier' in any instance. Last edited by Felyndiira; 2013-01-18 at 03:56. |
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2013-01-18, 08:17 | Link #2723 |
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Oh, here's some disclaimer from the powerlevel chart that I copy pasta:
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EDIT: Oh yeah, I'm sorry if I this was mentioned but.... there was a rumour floating around /a/ about Shizu's "ability" because of Achiga's PSP game coming out soon. 'course, it's only a rumour but... Spoiler for Shizu's ability:
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2013-01-18, 11:47 | Link #2725 | |
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Shizu did do that in all match .......... Spoiler for Shizuno's ability:
INTERESTING, it's not something pull out of nowwhere too LOL
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2013-01-18, 13:16 | Link #2726 |
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Well, that's if the rumours are true. I would take it for a grain of salt though.
Anyways, latest Achiga chapter scores sheets are out! Spoiler for Shindouji found a way:
Also: I agree. The main manga's vanguard match is much more exciting now than the captain's battle in Achiga. I don't know why, the latest revelation of Ryuuka going crazy and Ghost Toki coming up to save her + inherited super powers was kind of a disappointment. Achiga depends a lot on super-powered mahjong, so seeing Satoha go strategical and analytical on Yuuki is really great. I guess I didn't appreciate it before when I didn't know how to play mahjong, but now that I do, it makes me think that Satoha is a badass and so is Yuuki. I still can't wait for Suzu's explosion and what Gardevoir has in store. Gardevoir is the presumed ace since she was the focus of the silhoutte, so I'm guessing she'll make her move in the later part of the match since right now, it's totally Satoha vs Yuuki. Suzu looks cute, even though she's not doing anything. Also, Rinkai's coach wants to recruit Yuuki!? Yuuki is getting more and more badass!! |
2013-01-18, 15:29 | Link #2727 | |
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Also looks like Achiga 18 has its final version out. The supernova cometh and Fairy Toki is cute |
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2013-01-18, 16:11 | Link #2728 | |
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First club match: win 1000 instead of 7700 and caught Hisa's attention Second club match: Rinshan Kaihou for 2 han 70 fu Third club match: 4 concealed triplet Perfectual final: counted Yakuman national: small win to kick out Ensui and Miyamori
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2013-01-18, 16:13 | Link #2729 | |
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The Koromo is the queen of the last round wins, and she utterly wasted Shizu. Either this supposed ability of Shizu isn't absolute, or it's just not correct. |
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2013-01-18, 23:01 | Link #2731 |
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I did a rough mini-translation of the 108 raws. Since I can't read Japanese, I relied mostly on the Baidu Chinese translations, so there might be some things that are lost in translation here. It won't replace Yuriproject's wonderful translations, but just in case if anyone's curious:
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2013-01-19, 01:28 | Link #2732 | |
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2013-01-19, 01:31 | Link #2733 | |
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We are taking about the "last round of the game" not "Winning with the last tile" Koromo's ability doesn't have anything to do with this. It is possible that the ability doesn't work in 2 people match! However, I think it's just coincident event, so let's wait for next ch. to find out.
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2013-01-19, 02:33 | Link #2734 |
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Actually, you know, to think about it. If winning on the last hand is Shizu's actual ability, then it could directly explain Koromo's comment to Saki about being "troublesome".
If you think about it, by far the most key part of Saki's tendency to get +/- 0 depends on the very last hand. There are other factors involved, of course: whether there's someone else with an overall larger point gain, so Saki can avoid the first place bonus; and setting up her own score, so that she could hit the +/- 0 range with her last winning hand (like, I guess the list of possible score for hands of less than limit (i.e. below mangan) value are pretty continuous, but above that level, for example, it is impossible to get a hand of above 9600 but less than 11600 in points). However, the actual key factor for Saki is actually winning that final hand, with the score precisely calculated to land where she needs it to. However, if the only thing that Shizu's supposed "ability" does is simply specifically allow her to always win the last hand, then that interferes directly with Saki's +/- 0 setup. Even if it doesn't amount to much in terms of firepower, even if it can't even begin to compete with dozens of other powers which would usually be more difficult to face, for Saki "troublesome" is exactly how I'd describe it. It might actually be the perfect development if it is true. |
2013-01-19, 04:56 | Link #2735 |
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The miracle part sounds possible to me. Based on the last match that we saw, she really did pull some kind of miracle to get to the semifina. I don't fully agree with the part where she will absolutely win the last round though
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2013-01-19, 06:12 | Link #2736 | |
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Who will you choose as members for it. The monster class are mostly 100% on the list.
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2013-01-19, 07:22 | Link #2737 | ||
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I really did remember the rules for parenchan wrong, it seems. For some reason I always thought it tied into dealer bonus rounds rather than just consecutive wins (also helps that I've never seen or been in a game that had a parenchan). In that case, it seems that Yuuki didn't plan for the exhaustive draws to happen. Satoha is really just pressuring Yuuki really hard, and she's barely hanging on to her dealership by forcing exhaustive draws. It makes Satoha seem so much scarier in comparison even though she never revealed a single ability . Quote:
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2013-01-19, 09:04 | Link #2738 |
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So from my understanding in the last year's individual finals we got one first year, two second years, and one third year.
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2013-01-19, 11:56 | Link #2740 |
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So the secret to Shizu's skills might have been in front of us all along? It's like I'm watching angel beats again!
Also, here's a little something I just found. Not really sure if it's fanmade or not, though. Spoiler for Relationship chart:
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