2013-03-03, 17:55 | Link #2521 | ||
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Anyways, I really don't have much else to say on the matter that hasn't been stated already. So I'm not going to respond to the rest of your points. I acknowledge them. And even though I understand the purpose behind Shunsui's decision, I'll never support the decision for as long as Kubo fails to provide an adequate explanation as to why Orihime wasn't viable option this time. Quote:
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2013-03-03, 18:06 | Link #2522 |
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Kirinji don't give a shit; he's too busy chillaxing in his hot springs city....same with the other RGs.
And anyone that goes against Bach....or even Blondie....is dead. Doesn't matter if you're RG, or just a regular shinigami...Bach is Ichigo's. Kenny might be able to handle Blondie or other VRs...and maybe Renji can handle some lower levels, depending on the outcome of his training...but anyone else? They're dead pretty much. Or will be at least in Byakuya's situation.
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2013-03-03, 18:36 | Link #2523 | ||
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i know making an argument like this makes it impossible to debate the issue, but when it comes to logic in bleach, i just dont see it. fight outcomes are all at kubo's whim regardless of whether or not the exact same thing happened prior with different results |
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2013-03-03, 20:04 | Link #2524 | ||
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That's not really a fair thing to say coming from someone who clearly acknowledges how illogical Kubo's made the plot play out at times. I mean its not like she was a given fair opportunity to at least try to be helpful in that regard. She was the designated healer from the start of the war till the end of the war.
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On a final note, you don't have to discuss Bleach logically with me anymore if you don't want to. (I know I certainly understand your reasons for not wanting to do so.) However, there will be times when I will occasionally look at the series from a logical point of view for the sake of calling out Kubo on what I think are legitimate gripes when I feel the need to vent (like now). So feel free to ignore these moments of mine. |
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2013-03-03, 20:12 | Link #2525 |
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I just vent because this was the first series I ever seriously loved..like wrote fanfic for. And at one point, Rukia, Yoruichi and Yachiru were among my favorite female characters.
To see Kubo destroy it on a weekly basis makes me rage...but at least with Isshin's backstory coming up, the one thing I've wanted to see FOR YEARS is finally here.
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2013-03-03, 22:37 | Link #2527 | ||
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four words: Do not use bankai! That could explain why Hinamori, Sarugaki and Hitsugaya managed to survive. |
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2013-03-03, 23:07 | Link #2528 | |
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Glad we can continue to keep things civil then. I've got nothing to say against your other points either because I agreed or because I find no fault with our difference of perspectives on certain issues. |
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2013-03-04, 00:33 | Link #2530 | |
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but we are talking about the arrancar arc here in which aizen had already integrated the hyougoku and was immortal and no matter how many times you killed him, he kept coming back in a more evolved state. so at that time, unohana had nothing on him |
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2013-03-04, 01:23 | Link #2532 | ||
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...Not. It was obviously Shiba. Kubo's given far too many hints toward that end already. |
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2013-03-04, 01:40 | Link #2533 | |
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2013-03-04, 18:04 | Link #2534 | ||
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But I theorize that Unohana dying--and staying dead--is important to Kenpachi's development. Sounds weird, but I think Unohana was like a pacifier to him or a security blanket. He admired her and the thought of an opponent who would always be there to offer him the fight of his life comforted him. When faced with the fact that he could lose that, he limited his power rather than admit he was above her. In order to realize you don't need your blanky and patsy anymore you need them taken away. If Unohana continued to live, Kenpachi might end up convincing himself he didn't really win, and could easily slip back to the habit of limiting his powers again. Shunsui and Unohana know this, which is why it was useless to have a healer on hand. Unohana could heal Kenpachi as much as needed, but once Kenpachi unlocked his power again, Unohana had to stay dead for him to maintain it.
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2013-03-04, 18:33 | Link #2535 | ||
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So for as long as Zaraki's convinced she's dead and has truly learned and come to grips with the fact that he doesn't need her anymore, then there should be no reason for him to revert back to his old self-inhibiting behavior should he unexpectedly get Unohana back at a later time. Otherwise that would mean he hasn't really learned a thing and his recent character development would be revealed to have never truly happened in the first place. Come to think of it, Unohana's revival could actually be one of the best ways to confirm his character's development on the issue once and for all. Last edited by sayde; 2013-03-04 at 19:13. |
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2013-03-04, 21:26 | Link #2536 | ||
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Zaraki surpassing his idol was only truly confirmed to him by her death. Because he never has the prospect of facing her again, he won't limit his power in anticipation of fighting her again. Until he faces these new threats, the finality of her death needs to remain. After that, well yeah, he shouldn't be dependent on her anymore. But by then it's kinda pointless to bring Unohana back just 'cause...
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Jeez...not even Ichigo has needed to kill off one of the good guys indefinitely just for a powerup. Also, I just had a random thought. We keep going on and on about how Unohana's immediate revival could potentially prove detrimental for Kenpachi's growth. But couldn't it actually turn out to have the complete opposite effect? I mean if his underlying fear this entire time was the thought of not having a worthy rival anymore upon her death, then one could think that he'd have nothing to worry about anymore if he knew someone could just revive her as much as was necessary. That's to say, he could feel free to go all out against her with absolute impunity since he wouldn't have to fear the prospect of never being able to fight her again just because he didn't hold back. Last edited by sayde; 2013-03-05 at 00:09. |
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2013-03-05, 14:22 | Link #2538 |
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I'm not exactly buying into the addiction angle for unohana not returning. but i do buy the reason that she wanted to die this way and that's it. because she was a healer and a pacifist for the bulk of the time we've known her character, it may be difficult to see her for who she truly is: a blood thirsty warrior. warriors of this caliber always want to die fighting a strong opponent. it's part of their narrative that they die this way in many stories. someone like her wouldn't want to come back to life and i think SS will honor that ideal. however, i agree that it is stupid...
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Rezz's for everyone, yay! I'm not mocking you here. It's not that I wouldn't want to see Unohana live to play a more active role, it's just that I thought her ending was written in such a way that seemed unmistakably final. Bringing her back would seem very forced to me now, though logically it could easily happen. Quote:
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Not like a chemical addiction, no. Kenpachi put Unohana on a pedestal, he idolized her. She became representative of his ultimate challenge. And for someone who loves the thrill of battle more than anything, he became attached to that idea. Childhood memory. Nostalgia. He needs to let go of those things permanently. But he's stubborn. He never even realized he was limiting his power and he'd probably tell anyone who mentioned it to f**k off. Still I don't think he would let go if Unohana lived, he'd temper his power again. But that's me. I can't make sense of Kubo's trolling, but I can try :P
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2013-03-05, 20:34 | Link #2540 | ||
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Unohana didn't die against a sworn enemy she hated during a battle where she was genuinely trying to end someones life for good. She died against a long time rival who one could argue she loved in a sick twisted sense. Despite the fact that she's been a part of this series for a very long time, once again, her only purpose turned out to be a stepping stone for someone else's improvement. And to top it off, we really didn't get to see much in the process. It all happened so fast that I think the only thing we learned about her combat style is that she's extremely strong and skilled with a sword. I don't even get what her bankai does TBH. My point here is that Unohana doesn't just have more she could potentially contribute to the plot (as far as the war effort is concerned). She should also have more to contribute to the entertainment value of future battles as well. Take Byukuya for instance. A lot of fans seemed saddened, but yet okay with the prospect of seeing him gone for good because he's overused. As far as we know, we've seen everything he could do during battle time-and-time again. It felt like there was nothing left to show and therefore, it felt like he contributed almost nothing new to the battles he was in as of late. On the other hand, Unohana should still have things left in her skill set to reveal or elaborate on at the very least--whether it be an appropriate demonstration of top-tier kido usage or an adequate opportunity to put her bankai to use where we get to understand exactly what it does. Quote:
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