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View Poll Results: Is Sasuke's Revenge Justifiable? | |||
Yes: All Konohanians (?) deserve to be felled by Sasuke's blade... | 3 | 5.36% | |
Somewhat: The Elders (and those like them) are to blame, so they should get what's coming to them... | 24 | 42.86% | |
No: Revenge is never justified, no matter how monstrous the criminal/action is... | 8 | 14.29% | |
No: Revenge may be justifiable, but Sasuke's isn't... | 21 | 37.50% | |
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2011-12-28, 11:19 | Link #21 | |
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2011-12-28, 11:32 | Link #22 | |
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But of course that doesn't mean that anyone else then Danzou and Tobi were responsible for all what happened, since all the others were just either following orders without knowing the truth or in the case of the 2 elder advisors they just chose what they believed is the lesser bad, just like Itachi did. This should be obvious to Sasuke if he were not completely obsessed with his revenge. The 3rd hokage can be blamed only for not having the mental strength to kill the inner enemy of konoha, that is Danzou and Orochimaru, and because of this only weakness of the 3rd many people have died. Sure it's hard to kill a childhood friend, but he should have done that the moment he realized that the guy is building his own private army (root). |
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2011-12-28, 11:35 | Link #23 | |
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Because right after the 3rd's death that was why Itachi felt compelled to make the trip to Konoha because he was worried about Sasuke since Sasuke was now vulnerable to the 3 old foxes [The 2 Elders & Danzo] after the 3rd had passed on and no one was there to keep a look out for him.
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2011-12-28, 11:42 | Link #24 | |
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Strictly speaking if Sarutobi had stood his ground he'd have been able to stop everything. Whats the point of being Hokage if you have to leave it to 'votes' just to make a decision? The Elders are there to give ADVISE. Not tell u what to do. Danzo ... is just a war veteran. Learn a page from Tsunade and just ignore him. That being said , i slightly feel that deep within even though Sarutobi was against the Uchiha Clan massacre he DID feel that the Uchiha were a threat. That was why even though he felt the massacre wasn't necessary he wasn't entirely against it because he had to weigh the protection of Konoha against his decision. I guess what im trying to say is , Sarutobi could have been more adamant in his decision to protect the Uchiha's , but he didn't because he too knew the so-called 'Threat' the Uchiha posed. OR , Women are just plain over-bearing like Tsunade. You just can't out-talk them. PS - No offense to all women of all ages out there
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2011-12-28, 14:10 | Link #26 | |
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Also point out that danzo's reason for voting in favor (or rather manipulating the elders with shushi's sharingan, if he had it at the time) of genocide is to gain the sharingan, personally I don't buy that he was looking out for the interests of Konoha. He was looking for more power so he could take leadership of the village by force however with Sarutobi death and a few years later Nagato's attack he did so with little effort.
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Konoha knew it was tobi who used the 9tails, and then they used tobi to massacre the uchiha. Doesn't make any sense. The massacre was just as wrong as sasuke's revenge. That might not justify it, but it's more than a good excuse.
As for minato, or even naruto for that matter, if they were in charge they would have walked smack-bang into the center of the the uchiha neighborhood and dared any rebell to step up. Then he would have whoopped all their asses and asked if anyone else has a problem. No rebellion, no massacre. |
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no they didnt. only minato knew and it was right before he died. it has always been known in konoha as a natural disaster of sorts. I'm sure the elders suspected different, but they didnt know of tobi at that time.
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2011-12-29, 11:47 | Link #33 | |
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Well the wikia may not be a 100% correct. But i couldn't recall much so i went to look at it. Minato and Tobi were fighting at a separate location. Sarutobi didn't get to see Tobi at all. he was busy fighting the 9-Tails waiting for Minato to come back to help them.
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2011-12-29, 17:09 | Link #36 | |
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The massacre may have been evil, but it was probably a necessary one. |
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2011-12-29, 23:33 | Link #39 |
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I very much doubt there were many people within the Uchiha clan who weren't dissatified with their governement after they forced them all to live secluded from the rest of the village under suspicion of the greatest crime in the history of Konoha. In fact I'm pretty sure nearly the entire clan was activally working in favor of the coup.
The thing is, I happen to think the Uchiha were entirely correct in their assessment, their only fault lies in the fact that they failed and died as a result. The day your governement secludes all of your kin/ethny from the rest of the population is the day you have to flee, fight back or accept that the fate of your owns is in the hand of people who want you no good. The Uchiha had very good reason to plan a coup d'etat, what they should have done is plan better. But to return on Sasuke (and ignoring that I think he turned to dark side of sheer stupidity and/or insanity) I actually think that he'd have a good reason to destroy most if not all of Konoha even if he was thinking rationally. The Elders aren't just anyone, they are two third of Konoha's governement, just getting to them probably mean a huge fight with lot of casualities in Konoha's rank and then once it's done what would Sasuke do? He would be a rogue ninja with a death warrant on his head hidding, from every living Konoha ninja. It is pretty much the same rational Danzou and the elders shared, it may be montruous be it makes perfect sense to utterly destroy Konoha if Sasuke intends to get away with his revenge and start his clan anew later. |
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Itachi's decision about killing everyone instead of just those involved could have more than one good reason, and by good i mean good by the logic of the Narutoverse.
We see how they became a cursed clan, as Tobi explained their history, as Itachi explained how they usually gained the MS, etc. So going by that logic Itachi wanted to end this curse, to end the eternal fight between the descendants of the older and younger sons of the sage of 6 paths. It is probable that Itachi did exactly know what will Danzou and Tobi do with the remaining weak ones, that is children, women and elders. To prevent their possibly painful and slow death, or to prevent the disgrace that the Uchiha clan is being killed by the root anbu or some henchmen of Tobi he chose to do it himself. We know how both Danzou and Tobi collected eyes, they would have killed these people sooner or later, because they were defensless without the strong ones. And finally, we still don't know what exactly happened then, we know Tobi was involved, we know that when Sasuke went home Tobi wasn't there, and we know there was no real battle because nobody noticed anything in the village. So it seems to be a mystery, which might be explained if Kishimoto in some flashbacks. I mean there could be other circumstances why Itachi decided to do what he did. |
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