(CR) Saki

[ila]

Does Riichi Mahjong have another name to it? I'm looking at this Four Winds Mahjong Program and I'm not seeing anything named that.

Also that online one that was linked to is good, but is anyone else getting a "No Multiplier" error when they try to call Tsumo or Ron? Or maybe its not an error and I'm missing something.

[bayoab]

Originally Posted by Proto

In riichi Mahjong you only play a max of two rounds, you never play the west and north rounds (unless a tie breaker is needed, and you only play an extra or two games from the west round).

An East-round game on tenhou that I was playing in recently basically went for a full chan. Everyone won 4 times as dealer and by the end, everyone was screaming for it to end.

Originally Posted by ila

Also that online one that was linked to is good, but is anyone else getting a "No Multiplier" error when they try to call Tsumo or Ron? Or maybe its not an error and I'm missing something.

There is a rule that you must have 1 yaku/1 fan/1 point/whatever you want to call it when you win. If you don't have that, you have a 0 yaku/0 fan/0 point hand and thus get no multiplier.

[Proto]

Also that online one that was linked to is good, but is anyone else getting a "No Multiplier" error when they try to call Tsumo or Ron? Or maybe its not an error and I'm missing something.

You are probably missing a yaku. In Riichi mahjong, you cannot win with just any hand, but your hand have to meet certain characteristics, like those explained in the wiki article I linked.

Why is a yaku a multiplier? For each yaku you get, the value of your hand roughly duplicates.

[ila]

And suddenly this game gets that much more complicated.

Ugh I happen to have a tileset already, wish I had people to learn the game with.

[Wargumm1i]

Saki has the potential of an overall 10/10 anime, it has great and cute characters, great comady, decent plot and qualitys. But the Mahjong part completely takes away 2 points and gives it a 8/10... But it also has its flaws, I dont hate Mahjong, as a matter a fact I enjoy it, but how they take Mahjong so serious and how the whole lightning and "BOOM AND BANG" and the whole "Omg She Has A Deadly Mahjong Aura Dun Dun Dun Dunnnn..." just makes whole game look pretty ridiculous.

[Proto]

No, it makes it look cool. In fact it is one of the reasons I enjoy the series so much. How it takes itseff ridiculously serious. And I'm sure it's the same for many people here.

[Wargumm1i]

Originally Posted by Proto

No, it makes it look cool. In fact it is one of the reasons I enjoy the series so much. How it takes itseff ridiculously serious. And I'm sure it's the same for many people here.

Well I guess everyone have there own opinion on the matter which is alright like how I felt about Saki.

[Duo Maxwell]

Originally Posted by Wargumm1i

But it also has its flaws, I dont hate Mahjong, as a matter a fact I enjoy it, but how they take Mahjong so serious and how the whole lightning and "BOOM AND BANG" and the whole "Omg She Has A Deadly Mahjong Aura Dun Dun Dun Dunnnn..." just makes whole game look pretty ridiculous.

I won't call it "flaw", but it "positive point" instead. Or should I say, that's the only stand out point of this anime.

[Peanutbutter]

Originally Posted by Wargumm1i

but how they take Mahjong so serious and how the whole lightning and "BOOM AND BANG" and the whole "Omg She Has A Deadly Mahjong Aura Dun Dun Dun Dunnnn..." just makes whole game look pretty ridiculous.

Those effects are there to bring out the dramatic flavor of the game, that's all.

There's still "real" mahjong being played and I managed to learn a few things or two thus far.

[Eisdrache]

Is there any reason why ALL other schools have the same uniform with the exception of Ryuumonbuchi who has 4 different kinds of uniforms? (5 if Koromo has another one as well)

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

Is there any reason why ALL other schools have the same uniform with the exception of Ryuumonbuchi who has 4 different kinds of uniforms? (5 if Koromo has another one as well)

Considering that Touka's name is "Ryuumonbuchi Touka" somehow I'm guess she makes the rules at her own school. And she doesn't seem to be the uniform dress code type.

[Duo Maxwell]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

Is there any reason why ALL other schools have the same uniform with the exception of Ryuumonbuchi who has 4 different kinds of uniforms? (5 if Koromo has another one as well)

Do you see fanservice and moe tag under this thread?

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Wargumm1i

Saki has the potential of an overall 10/10 anime, it has great and cute characters, great comady, decent plot and qualitys. But the Mahjong part completely takes away 2 points and gives it a 8/10... But it also has its flaws, I dont hate Mahjong, as a matter a fact I enjoy it, but how they take Mahjong so serious and how the whole lightning and "BOOM AND BANG" and the whole "Omg She Has A Deadly Mahjong Aura Dun Dun Dun Dunnnn..." just makes whole game look pretty ridiculous.

Guess you haven't watched Akagi then

And the obviously exaggerated effects on their godlike hands is exactly the whole point of the way this series deal with mahjong (not to mention adds a whole new layer of hilarious to an otherwise quite boring matches to watch if they don't intend to go down the SERIOUS route that is Akagi). The thing is viewers who don't know the game need such stimulation otherwise I could imagine some of them falling asleep.

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by Proto

In riichi Mahjong you only play a max of two rounds, you never play the west and north rounds (unless a tie breaker is needed, and you only play an extra or two games from the west round).

The two hanchan games are the standard for Riichi Mahjong, but the name itself implies that this isn't necessarily the only way to play. As far as I can tell, it's quite possible for full games to be played for all four winds instead.

Originally Posted by ila

Does Riichi Mahjong have another name to it? I'm looking at this Four Winds Mahjong Program and I'm not seeing anything named that.

It probably wouldn't. The name "Four Winds" implies that your program is based on Chinese rulesets, and it'd be unlikely that it would include Riichi Mahjong. There are quite a few differences between the two - Riichi doesn't have any flower tiles, it has very different scoring rules, dora tiles, and so on. Riichi (also spelled as "Reach" ) Mahjong is also called Dora Mahjong, but that seems to be a much less popular name.

Originally Posted by ila

Also that online one that was linked to is good, but is anyone else getting a "No Multiplier" error when they try to call Tsumo or Ron? Or maybe its not an error and I'm missing something.

Unfortunately, Riichi Mahjong is one of the most arcane rulesets out there for the game , and strategies that would be used with some other variants aren't that great here. Here are some useful tips for anyone wanting to learn Riichi Mahjong: http://www.sloperama.com/mjfaq/mjfaq08.html#d

Spoiler for For Space:

12 Strategies for Japanese Mah-Jongg (Listed in no particular order)

1. Early on, evaluate the potential of your hand. If you have a lot of pairs, plan to try for an all-pairs hand or an all-pung hand. Consider whether you want to throw away terminals or simples.

2. Determine as early as possible what yaku you think you can get. Know if you have Dora or not but don't count on it for a yaku (it isn't). Don't forget that Reach is a yaku too.

3. Do not be too quick to jump on somebody's discard -- take it only if you've already got a plan for what yaku you're shooting for. (See next two for specifics.)

4. Don't meld Chows unless you have a definite yaku plan.

5. Don't meld Pungs unless you decide Reach is out of your reach.

6. Shoot for the really really big yaku hands. Pure, Clean, All Honors, etc. You only need one "really really big" hand to win the entire game. Two "just really big" hands can win the entire game too.

7. Know when to give up on your plan -- watch the discards and melds to see if it'll be impossible to get the tiles you want.

8. As the wall decreases, wariness and caution should increase. Late in the hand, do not discard anything that nobody else has discarded. Even tiles discarded early in the hand can be dangerous, late in the hand.

9. If you can't win, at least try to go tenpai -- but not at the expense of letting somebody else win. When there are 20 or less tiles remaining, and your hand isn't that good, consider melding like mad so you can at least be tenpai (but watch out what you discard).

10. If your chances of winning are low (and/or if your score will be low) shift your strategy to defense. Try to figure out what other players need to win, and do not discard that, even if it means having Noten.

11. Know your wind and the prevailing wind. Hang onto those tiles until you think they can't be used or conflict with your shaping hand.

12. The 1-4-7 rule is a good playing strategy. If the player to your right discards a 4, and you can't throw an identical tile, it might be "not too unsafe" (^-^) for you to throw him a 1 or a 7. Remember these sequences: 1-4-7, 2-5-8, 3-6-9. ... A player pointed out to me: "[it's] only really safe going from 4 to 1, or 6 to 9. A discarded 1 is not from 1-2-3, but could be from 1-3-5, which is a combination worth holding for a while." Discarding tiles IDENTICAL to what another player discards is always good, if you can.

(I lied about there being 12 strategies)

13. Be aware of your ranking among the other players at the table. If you are in 3rd place, it's better to have the 2nd-place player to have to pay you off than the 4th-place player.

14. New one. Don't do what I do! If you're playing against real players, think real good about whether or not your hand really is one tile away from complete before declaring Reach. You don't want to have to pay a Chombo penalty! Computer games may or may not allow you to make Chombo, but in real life it's real easy to do! :o(

15. Try to go out waiting for multiple tiles (not just one). Imagine that you have three chows and two pairs. One pair is 2-bams, and you draw a 3-bam from the wall -- which tile do you discard now? In this situation, many experienced players will discard a two, keeping 2-3. A two-way call is better than a one-way call. (And this example would also put you in line for pinfu (all chows), a popular and easy yaku.)

16. Be aware of how many tiles you need to become tenpai (such tiles are called "shanten" by Japanese players) and work to get that number (the shanten count) increasingly lower and lower. The best way is to try to increase the number of possible winning tiles.

17. Win. If you get a chance to declare "Ron" or "Tsumo", you'd better do it.

18. At times it is important to ignore these strategies. You might never make certain special yaku if you never take chances that go against the prevailing wisdom.

It's a very good idea to learn all of the different winning hands, and remember wether they have to be concealed or not. The flash game is quite a useful learning tool because it doesn't let you make an illegal move, and because it lets you know whenever you can declare Riichi.

Originally Posted by Wargumm1i

But it also has its flaws, I dont hate Mahjong, as a matter a fact I enjoy it, but how they take Mahjong so serious and how the whole lightning and "BOOM AND BANG" and the whole "Omg She Has A Deadly Mahjong Aura Dun Dun Dun Dunnnn..." just makes whole game look pretty ridiculous.

That's sort of the point of this, and pretty much all sports anime . There will be lots of lighting, sparks, rivalry poses and so on as well. You're missing out a bit if you can't appreciate the appeal of this kind of presentation.

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

Is there any reason why ALL other schools have the same uniform with the exception of Ryuumonbuchi who has 4 different kinds of uniforms? (5 if Koromo has another one as well)

Another explanation can be that Ryuumonbuchi simply doesn't use a standardized uniform. There are some high schools in Japan like that.

[Osamu]

Originally Posted by ila

Does Riichi Mahjong have another name to it? I'm looking at this Four Winds Mahjong Program and I'm not seeing anything named that.

Also that online one that was linked to is good, but is anyone else getting a "No Multiplier" error when they try to call Tsumo or Ron? Or maybe its not an error and I'm missing something.

Riichi/Reach Mahjong is the name of the European variant of Japanese mahjong

Japanese ruleset should be listed under the name "japanese modern/classic" IIRC.

I recommend you to use AImahjong or something if you just want to play Japanese mahjong, I find 4winds interface to be crap.

Also, is there a mahjong thread on animesuki?

[kk2extreme]

will they go to china, after all it is the biggest over there.

[Proto]

They don't share their rule sets, so it would be like preparing for a very different game altogether.

[Ashlotte]

Almost fell asleep from all the Nodoka hyping they kept pounding us with...Gimme Tacos anyday.

Cheap that they didn't show the president's match though...She reminds me of one of those completely broken characters in Shonen shows that they leave their true abilities vague until they come out of nowhere and destroy everyone when the chips are down...

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

Im claiming Kunihiro Hajime from Ryuumonbuchi highschool <3
I seriously need to stop claiming (more or less) side characters, already did that with Kazekoshis Mihoko Fukuji =_=

Cashing my chit and claiming Amae Koromo....or maybe she claims me, who knows.

[Proto]

I'll take the chance while the dark horse is still undercover and do the same with Tsuruga's Yumi

In any case, the Mahjong thread might be a good idea. Then we can stop hijacking this thread with mahjong talk.