2010-12-25, 06:04 | Link #402 | |
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Kuranosuke's development has been perfect so far though.
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2010-12-25, 08:46 | Link #403 |
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I'm slightly perplexed at the relative lack of shock and/or outrage at the way Shuu is being played like a fiddle and pussywhipped by that woman. It's very good of him to finally show her that he refuses to be lead around on a leash, even if it means that he's going away from this potential scandal.
If this follows previous NoitaminA series then this may likely end next week and... I don't really see how they'll wrap it up without a second season. I think there's far too many loose threads to tie up in 1-2 episodes.
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2010-12-25, 08:51 | Link #404 | |
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2010-12-25, 12:57 | Link #405 | |
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Kanon, I see the "scratched the surface" thing as a compliment, not a criticism. It's not as if these characters haven't developed - I think they've evolved more than most characters in two-cour series already. The issue is the characters are so well-written and complicated that it would take at least 26 episodes to really get to know them.
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2010-12-25, 17:48 | Link #406 |
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I don't think the writing has been as perfect as people claim to be. It's crystal clear that they're rushing it because of time restraints. Tsukimi in particular is suffering from the lack of breaks. She is too wishy-washy even up to the final episode. It's understandable considering her past, which is why she needs time to gradually develop. Do it too fast and it won't come off as believable. This is why I think the last episode won't end on a high note. There are still too many loose ends to cover.
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2010-12-25, 18:25 | Link #407 | |
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The very short length of the series is its real problem. Even so, I think they could have done better with the limited time they had. If we get a second season, it'll be okay, but if we don't, I'll be very disappointed. As CWW said, there is no way the series will (believably) end on a high note. Tsukimi has made zero progess lately, she can't just change suddenly in the last episode.
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2010-12-25, 23:07 | Link #408 |
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This has been such a great show, but I was shocked to learn just now that there is only one episode left. There have been so many issues brought up, and yet the story has just been inching along (and I don't really like all the 'to be continued' moments)--it would be farcical if they really tried to shove a conclusion of everything into one episode. The secret woman behind the door, the missing mother, the girl's issues, the love square, the makeovers (they only actually happened once, and I don't think the girls learned very much)... It seems headed towards something unsatisfying, but I'll have to look for the manga.
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2010-12-26, 14:32 | Link #409 | ||
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episode 10 - a lukewarm life is enough for me.
I don't want this show to end... anyway, I have been liking the music for the past few episodes, but especially in this one. I have to love the piece at the beginning and the one towards the end (which has been played a couple of times in the past). I would love to have another season of this show, if only for the humor: Shuu's virgin dream, Chieko's god-like skills, Tsukimi's geek talk, Hanamori's comments and antics... It's great that the laughs come from different places and in so many ways. I was taken a bit aback when Shuu slapped Inari in the face. I could sort of understand Shuu's emotions, but it was still a surprising reaction, if not shocking. I think something clicked in Inari's head after the events of this episode. Shuu, on the other hand, had his feelings played by someone who thought of making a joke on him. This did nothing more than reinforce the idea that Shuu has a pure (if not naive) heart. I'm not quite sure what exactly the work is trying to say with regards him. His reactions, his inexperience and awkwardness towards the opposite sex is different between Tsukimi and Inari. His relationship with the former is idealized if not superficial; with the latter, it's neither, but in many ways more troublesome and at times one-sided. There's a lot of tension with Inari, which is good most of the times; but his feelings gravitate towards Tsukimi (plus they are both virgins). I think the work is trying to play with this idea "virginity" (or purity), which shouldn't exactly be associated to one gender, status-quo, or character in particular. Everyone is born a virgin, so to speak. There was a line by Tsukimi that I really liked: "a lukewarm life is enough for me". I could understand her thoughts; I too wish for a lukewarm and relaxing life. The development between Tsukimi and Kuranosuke continues to be subtle (almost understated), but still very interesting. Past episodes showed the strong connection of these two characters with their respective mothers, and how this relationship and attachment had a great impact in their current lives and interests. We have learned a bit more about the two, about who they are today, but still perplexes me how this link and common element actually has a much greater importance than I first thought. Last time I pointed out how Tsukimi's memories of her mother created sadness and comfort in her. This episode made me realize that she not only draws jellyfish because she likes them, but also because doing so allows her to connect with her mother, to yearn for her---to cherish, remember and treasure the tender love and comfort she received. Similarly, I believe Kuranosuke wants to cross dress not only because he likes this hobby, but also because in doing so he can feel close to her mother and her wishes. In other words, cross dressing is a projection of this yearning, attachment and love towards his mother, similarly so to Tsukimi and her interest in drawing jellyfish. I think the development of both characters relate immensely to how each of them understand and project their respective mother's words, which has been one of the major themes for most part of the work, especially as of late. I have to love the way Tsukimi finally did something for Kuranosuke out of her own volition (after the latter had done so much for her), or how we are discovering more about Kuranosuke through the flashbacks. No matter what happens next episode, my opinion and love for this show are not going to change. This has been my favorite show of the past year (or two); I personally think it's really good (to the point where I watch each episode more than twice or thrice, and even bother to write something about it). From the OP to the ED, the humor, the characters (and their interactions), the references, the writing, and they way themes and motifs are handled using a jellyfish, everything is exactly what I'm looking forward in a show, and I feel greatly satisfied with this one. Of course, I get the feeling there's still more story to be told, so I truly hope there's a second season to this. ===== I noticed while checking the manga scanlatations that the titles make reference to another works, and so has the anime by keeping them in the majority of the episodes. Spoiler for space:
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2010-12-27, 01:44 | Link #410 | |
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Like others here, I'm mystified how this could all possibly be resolved in one episode. I realize that anime are designed to promote manga, and this is as true of Noitamina shows as any others. Kuragehime reminds me most of Hataraki Man. That show, too, lasted just eleven episodes, but the writers did manage to cover a couple of story arcs in that time and left Hiroko's future sufficiently unresolved to encourage viewers to read the manga. I suspect we'll see a similar conclusion to Kuragehime. One problem I've had with Kuragehime is the supporting cast of apartment dwellers. Other than Chieko, the Amars remained undeveloped stock characters. Each week Mayaya screams about the Three Kingdoms, Bamba makes a reference to trains, and Jiji looks fondly on some old men. They were somewhat funny in the first couple of episodes, but now I find their antics a waste of time. If the writers could have pared down the Amars' screen time in favor of developing the main quartet, I think we wouldn't all feel quite so concerned about the show's pacing.
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2010-12-31, 12:35 | Link #413 |
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Honestly I never expected a conclusive ending considering the pace of the series, the number of episodes and the manga which it's based on is still on going.
Indeed I'm more disappointed by the fact it ended than how it ended. Ah well hoping for a second season although Noitamina's track record with sequels is really poor (unless the show is called Nodame Cantabile or Honey & Clover) Nearly all anime these days can be described as such.
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2010-12-31, 13:14 | Link #414 | |
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I don't really mind inconclusive endings if it makes sense for a series, but this one just rubs me up the wrong way because it looks like they just didn't bother trying to make the anime capable of standing alone. No wonder people were surprised that Kuragehime had an anime greenlit so early - seriously, doing it just for more manga sales leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Manglobe did a better job with Saraiya Goyou earlier in the year. Or ~Ayakashi~Bakemono. Incidentally, whilst the original had sales of less than 3000 copies, Mononoke at av. ~13000 copies sold per volume had better average sales than Nodame Cantabile or Honey and Clover. Sadly, the one I REALLY want a sequel for is doing very badly in DVD sales...
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2010-12-31, 15:11 | Link #415 |
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I have a bad feeling about this.
Not about the show itself, or the way it finished. I've really loved this show since it began and while it didn't have any conclusive ending it had rays of hope for the future... My bad feeling is that this will be another one of those great Noitamina shows which stopped leaving the path obviously open for a sequel which we never get. SeijiSensei mentions Hataraki Man, but I can also think of things like Moyashimon where I for one would have much rather have had a second anime series continuing on from the first, than the awful live action travesty! Fingers and jellyfish tentacles crossed for more of this delightful series. Tequila! |
2010-12-31, 22:26 | Link #417 |
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Anyway, a very sweet anime and I did really like it a ton. One question however, does anyone know how many volumes of the manga this series went through?
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2010-12-31, 23:45 | Link #419 | |
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Overall though, I really liked the series. I just don't like the last episode.
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2011-01-01, 02:39 | Link #420 | |
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Wow...talk about some seriously wasted potential right here.
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One thing i particularly disliked is how Shu's character was handled later in the series. Even if Inari developed feelings for him, the main reason he's confused and can't push her away is because he thinks they did it, which is perfectly normal considering he's a virgin. And that's why i can't help but feel sorry for him. His half-assed "closure" was terrible and forced too. Anyway...what's with that high school girl's drawing on the plane? Last edited by Goty; 2011-01-01 at 02:55. |
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