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That aside, it's possible to reach the idea of either of Kanon/Shannon not really existing through nothing more than the board narratives of ep1-4. Kanon not having a visible corpse would be a big reason, and that's something that will be noticed even if there's no meta-dialogue to call attention to it. Quote:
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Indeed, I'm surprised no solution has ever been proposed for Dawn that takes Battler quite literally and solves the logic error through some incredible troll logic which posits that Erika cannot verify anything at all regarding the status of Battler's room because she is trapped in the next room over with every other being that exists anywhere in the universe, crammed into a space the size of a tiny bedroom and completely unable to move, see, or breathe.
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2012-04-12, 17:03 | Link #28423 | |
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EDIT: I wonder what the Schwarzchild radius of the cousins' room would be if all living things in existence were trapped inside it? Gravitational collapse would certainly account for Erika's blathering about stopped time.
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2012-04-12, 17:38 | Link #28425 | |
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Also, on personal preference I don't really like when such long explanations are made through a video unless visual aid is fundamental. It's much more comfortable to follow an explanation on paper, where I can skim back and forth. |
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2012-04-12, 17:59 | Link #28427 | |
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EDIT: You know, I did always find Erika's redundant stipulation that Kinzo shouldn't be included to be kind of... contrived. Last edited by Wanderer; 2012-04-12 at 18:16. |
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2012-04-12, 20:53 | Link #28430 | |
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I started watching it, and I'm not liking him... he sounds annoying. He lists "It is false that... It is false that... It is false that..." that feels like he's trying to recreate the Court of Illusions, but I'm already five minutes in, and he hasn't given his alternative theory either. You think the author is wrong, good for you. What do you propose instead?
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I'll keep skim through it the best I can. Nine hours is a long time for a video game analysis.
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2012-04-13, 02:42 | Link #28431 | ||
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Also, I remember seeing that vid awhile ago ... I remember thinking he made alot of faulty assumptions ("Rosa kinda sorta LOOKS like Beatrice, right?"), but at least it was sort of interesting at least in it's thoroughness. Also, some time ago, when I thought about who I would most easily ACCEPT as the culprit, it WAS Rosa, so ... hey. |
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2012-04-13, 06:09 | Link #28432 | ||
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Indeed we haven't seen it but it's information that we had access to within arc 3. Arc 3's tea party is set in the future (or was it the ura?) and tells us that much. So that actually suggest that arc 3 forgery includes the TP/Ura. Quote:
What gameboard motive can be satisfying without any meta? And not be heartless. There's quite a limited number of motives in the end that leads one to mass murder and they are all things we have all already seen a thousand times. (in fact I personally think as it currently stands Natsuhi culprit as presented in arc 5 is a lot less heartless then Yasu emo mass murdering everyone out of love while she's the one messing up George and Jessica's feelings - and what about the Kyrie culprit from ura arc 7? Lolgold is a joke for a reason). Drama overload or selfishness overload leading to tragedy. Amazingly unsatisfying. But through meta you can have an actually satisfying heart, a satisfying motive. Last edited by UsagiTenpura; 2012-04-13 at 06:25. |
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2012-04-13, 06:23 | Link #28433 | |
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The "real heart" was something that was directed only toward Battler, something that only he and the one who created it can understand. |
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2012-04-13, 06:30 | Link #28434 | |
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Also, this wouldn't be the first story that does something like that. In fact even Higurashi did something like that... If you claim it doesn't make sense, you do so based on assumptions you have out of Rokkenjima Prime's reality, which isn't based on anything. The reasons why it wouldn't make sense are thus assumptions you chose and not actual reasons that it doesn't make sense. |
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2012-04-14, 02:27 | Link #28439 | ||||
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"How could that EVEN make sense? I'm alive right here, and there's not so much as a scratch on my forehead or stomach. Idiot." "But maybe you're ... a BODY DOUBLE EVA WITH PLASTIC SURGERY?!" "... get the hell out of my office." |
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2012-04-14, 21:26 | Link #28440 | |
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I still don't know if it answers the "paradox" in EP2. I'm still absolutely disgusted by EP2's first twilight, and no matter how "satisfying" the motive, I still think it's horrible that someone may have actually done that to them...
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