(L+CR) Space Battleship Yamato 2199 (movie & TV)

[TZoli]

Well it has 6 elevated triple turrets of unknown calibre a heavy AA battery and an unknown fighter complement but indeed understaffed even with the mechanized men onboard.

I did not read anywhere but does it stated anywhere what is the calibre of Harlock's Death Shadow's and Arcadia's weaponry?

[Ithekro]

Not been able to find details about Harlock's guns in terms of their size. The Arcadia was suppose to be 400 meters long, so you might be able to figure them out from just how big they are verses Yamato or Andromeda.

[Ithekro]

I am hoping for an announcement and/or a teaser sometime next month. It might be too early since they were hoping for a Fall launch next year rather that the Spring launch of Yamato 2199 in 2012, where we got a teaser five months before the first episode aired, but an announcement of sorts in July of 2011.

Of course they could wait to pull something around the release of the concerts on BD. That would be around when Yamato would have gotten home in December.

[TZoli]

I've found a series of books which include detailed drawings of the Space Battleship Yamato universe including Gamillas, EDF Comet Empire etc!

http://www.cwo.zaq.ne.jp/bface700/hakobutu_n_0.html

[Ithekro]

I've seen the covers before, but I don't know the contents.

[TZoli]

The site I've linked includes some preview pages which shows technical drawings of warships.

They are fan magazines according to my friend, but also sold out
Though I think I know the person who made them:
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1122982
Maybe somebody (or me?) should ask if he will print more?
But I'm not sure I can order them as ordering something from Japan to Hungary is very expensive!

[skaianDestiny]

So some additional thoughts on the Gatlanteans: watching their warp-out, it strikes me as very "messy". As it is similar to the Warp Gates' exit, I have a feeling they simply jury-rigged Aquarius warp tech to their ships. Compare this to the Gamilas warp, which is clean and efficient, speaking of a refined technology. The Yamato's warp is a bit more elaborate, but it's still much cleaner than the Gatlantean warp, which creates a ring that spits out a plume made out of a cloud-like substance, then bursting and revealing the ship which still has to use it vernier thrusters to stabilize itself. In addition, once the cloud bursts, the ring seems to suck back in the majority of the cloud.

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It's clearly crude and messy, and really fits the Gatlantean "hat" of technology barbarians slap-dashing any tech they find.

[TZoli]

Yes, they are like exploding from the warp and not emerging from it

[Ithekro]

I wonder if their warp style is linked through the old warp gate system, or if Gatlantis itself is a mobile hub of sorts.

If they use the same dimensional plain as the old gates, than any Gatlantean ship could encounter Dessler's ship floating around in there.

Gamilas warp systems seem more efficient, even with the spin out. They don't have issues with preparedness for combat, with Yamato's warp seems to knock the crew out a bit. Also Yamato doesn't spin out like the others, yet is covered with ice at the end. Maybe Earth's drives need to do a spin out to prevent those issues.

Or maybe it is just that the Earth warp system needs refinement, but is superior to the Gamilas system. One would think Iscandarian technology would be superior to Gamilas technology. But we cannot be certain of that. Only that Iscandar had wave motion guns a long time ago using the mentions the Earth figured out form their design specs.

[TZoli]

Indeed, we did not seen the Iscandarian Interplanetary shuttle doing a warp jump. Speaking of which I wonder how much warp jumps does Sasha needed to get to the Sol system? (And what Gamillan warship would shoot at her shuttle?) Or maybe it was an accident occurred on the outskirts of the solar system probably a rouge asteroid from the Oord cloud?

[TZoli]

My other question is, does the Gamillans have a Cosmo cleaner device? Or something similar? I'm curious because they bombarded Earth which became a radioactive wasteland planet thus not suitable for Human life.

Maybe after either Earth surrender or the humans became extinct they would Gammilasfrom the planet back to it's original green-blue state?
They do transported an entire continent with a working biosphere of plants and maybe animals to the upper layers of Jupiter!

Or the other case (which I'm reluctant to accept) that Gamillans are much more resistant to radioactivity than humans.

[skaianDestiny]

Presumably Gamilas has some Gamilasforming tech. I'd say it'd take some decades before Earth becomes habitable.

[Ithekro]

The Gamilas did not seem to be in a hurry when it came to Earth.

[TZoli]

An excellent Organ composition featuring the music of the White Comet Empire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiRA1mub_Yk

[TZoli]

Watching Space Battleship Yamato 2 for the first time (apparently I only watched the movie...)
I like how they changed Sabera from a Human to more like a Gatlantean woman.
In the original anime she was very different from the Gatlanteans (not that we saw any other female Gatlantean persons...)

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She has more greenish skin texture compared to the yellowish of the original.

[skaianDestiny]

Asking a question for a friend's AU fanfiction.
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/4692279/

Originally Posted by TheBleachDoctor

Here's a snip idea I have.

Gonna nickname it "Sasha's War" for now. It's SBY 2199-based, alternate timeline.

Spoiler for snip:

"Sasha," Starsha spoke to her sister, her words laden with the importance of the task, "You are to join Yurisha on the Human homeworld, and give them this."

With care, she handed her sister the Wave Motion Core, a device vital to the activation and operation of the most powerful energy generation system in the universe, and one of the most deadly. It was the one component they had not told the Humans how to make, and with good purpose. For, in the wrong hands, a Wave Motion Engine was a tool of great devastation, and only giving the Humans one ensured that, should they prove to be warmongering barbarians, the damage they would be able to wreak would be limited.

Sasha solemnly examined the Core. It blinked slowly, and felt... alive, for lack of a better term. This small device was the cornerstone of all Icandarian technology. It power their warships, their infrastructure, even the lights in their palace.

But it could also be used to power a weapon. A weapon of tremendous force. One that Iscandar has invented and used liberally in their past... now hopefully a relic never to be used ever again.

Sasha knew that her sister wanted her to bring them the Wave Motion Core, so that the Humans could journey to Iscandar for a device that would restore their homeworld. But she also knew that it was a futile quest. Restore their homeworld? Why, so the Gamilons could simply bombard it into a wasteland again? No, the problem lay with the Gamilon Empire, and their leader, Abelt Desler. Sasha had told Starsha this many times, but her older sister wouldn't hear of it. She thought that the Gamilons could still be guided back onto the path of peace and harmony.

But Sasha knew that when a cancer formed, one did not simply hope for it to go away. You had to remove it by force.

And so a plot was hatched in her mind.

"Sister," she asked, "May I take one of the older ships for my journey?"

"One of the older ships?" Starsha thought of the massive hidden hangars beneath the surface of Iscandar, storing ships from the distant past. Most used for mundane purposes, but some for war... "I don't see why not, which one?"

"I was thinking one of the Battleships," Sasha started before Starsha cut her off.

"Absolutely not!" Starsha denied the request abruptly, "Those ships must never be used again. You may take one of the faster courier ships if you wish, but I will not allow you to take any of the warships."

"But, sister," Sasha protested, inserting grains of truth into her plea, "the Gatlanteans encroach on the territory I must traverse. I do not have many doubts that our fastest courier vessels could outrun their primitive vessels, but nevertheless, most of these ships have not flown in centuries, and I would rather trust numerous weapons systems to stay operational rather than a single engine."

"I understand..." Starsha hesitated, swayed by her sister's argument, "but to use one of those ships again..."

"Do not worry, sister," Sasha placated her sister's fears, "I do not intend to use them. I would not ask this is I could have an escort, but unfortunately I cannot request for a Gamilon escort in this endeavour."

"Yes," Starsha smiled slightly at her sister, "You can't, can you? Very well. You may take one of our Battleships... the Ascendance-class. It is fast enough for your journey, and well-armed enough that no Gatlantean ship can slow you. I shall provide interference with Desler so that you are not noticed leaving."

"Thank you, sister," Sasha took Starsha's hands, "I shall see you again soon, and I will give Yurisha your regards."

Then, she turned and left, her plan coming together in her head.
It was tragic, really.

When she saw her sister again, they might be enemies.



The United Nations Cosmo Navy bravely fought.
The United Nations Cosmo Navy bravely died.

One of the many Cruisers was blown apart by a Positron beam, fired from a Gamilon Cruiser. The Earth vessels were no match for the alien weapons. Not that Gamilon ships held up any better against their own weaponry, but the Cosmo Navy's inability to deal any sort of damage to the Gamilon ships was the decisive factor in the battle.

Onboard the Battleship Kirishima, Admiral Okita waited with trepidation and resolute hopefulness.
Would the Iscandarians come? They had to. If they didn't it was the end of mankind.

Then, the sensor operator reported exactly what he wanted to hear.

"Signal from Amaterasu confirmed," the operator announced, "They're on course, at outer space speed. They will be passing Neptune shortly!"

And Okita allowed himself a smile.
Although Sasha had sent the same signal that had been agreed upon, she was not piloting the small shuttle Amaterasu, as had been agreed upon, but rather the much bigger Ascendance-class Battleship she had convinced her sister to let her take. It was long, much longer than the Amaterasu at 600 meters. It has long swooping wings that hugged the hull, and a pointed prow which housed the Bridge. Two sharp but stylish golden bulges on the underside and top housed the main engines. The weapons were hidden, recessed into the hull. However, just below the Bridge, was a weapon that was not quite as hidden.

Approaching the fourth planet at incredible speeds, she eased the ship into the atmosphere. She had to land vessel, after all, and discharge heat. She had pushed the craft far beyond the limits of what the engines could reasonably support. In fact, if she had been on a smaller ship, she was sure she would have blown the engines.

She couldn't wait to see Yurisha again. She only hoped that her sister would agree with her plan.

Then, the lifting thrusters on her ship began to sound alarms, and she promptly shut down the offending components. The ancient Battleship began to shake as it started its now-uncontrolled descent into the planet's atmosphere.

Sasha only hoped that time had not weakened the superstructure.



"Look at the size of that thing!" Kodai gaped at the massive ship as it plunged through the atmosphere, golden hull shimmering in the red-tinted sunlight.

"I've never seen anything like it," Shima remarked from the back of the cockpit, "Kodai... I don't think that's a controlled descent!"

"You're right," Kodai cringed. Things just had to get complicated. He pulled his Type-100 Reconnaissance plane alongside the falling starship, and gave it a quick look-over.

He could see that along the underside, there were a number of thruster ports, but only one or two were actively firing. Their blue thrust too weak to adequately lift the massive ship.

"This is Lieutenant Kodai of the Cosmo Navy!" he broadcast over his fighter's communication equipment, "If you can hear me, you are in an uncontrolled descent! You will crash into the surface! Please, either change your course or evacuate your vessel!"

"I don't think they can," Shima commented grimly from the back.

And he was right. The ship only seemed to be getting faster.

"...Damn it," Kodai swore, pulling away. When that ship hit the ground, he didn't want to get caught in the blast wave of its demise.


Even hearing the Human's plea, Sasha refused to eject. Not only because she wasn't even sure if the escape pod would work properly, but because this ship was vital to her plan.

Without it, this was all pointless.

So she routed all power to the inertial control systems, and braced herself.
This was going to hurt.


Kodai cringed as the alien vessel slammed into the ground, carving a deep furrow through the dirt as it barely slowed.

It hit a hard patch of ground, and swung around, rolling across the ground like a comical barrel.

And it was then that he realized; the ship didn't break apart on impact.
What was it made out of?!
Sasha cried out as the ship jolted from side to side, the catastrophic kinetic forces mitigated somewhat by the inertial control systems. If they were any stronger, she'd be dead. As it stood, all she had to deal with was the ship blaring alarms at her complaining about damage to superficial systems.

The ship lurched as it hit the water, slowing finally to a stop, the stern slightly submerging, but most of it still above water.

As the shaking finally stopped, Sasha remembered that the ship had Wave Motion Barriers... she really should have used them, but it had been so long since she'd used any ship with a proper Wave Motion Engine.* All the ones she'd previously piloted didn't have the power generation to sustain a Barrier. She forgot this one could.

Sighing, she disconnected her neural interface and stepped out of the main control pod, which supposedly doubled as an escape pod in emergencies, although she would prefer not to use it, ever.

Making sure that the Wave Motion Core was still on her person, Sasha headed towards the airlock, fastening her suit and helmet on the way. She had some Humans to meet.


"Hey, Kodai," Shima spoke as he and Kodai inspected the downed ship, their own scout plane landed a short distance away, "Do you think anyone could have survived that crash?"

Kodai kept scanning the vessel, marveling at the readings he was getting, and shook his head, "No, I don't think so... but I thought the ship wouldn't survive the crash, so I suppose-"

Then, near their position, a small section of the hull hissed, recessing. It was a hidden entrance!

Kodai and Shima watched as a figure emerged, one elegant leg following the other.

"...A woman," Kodai muttered. At least, he guessed. Her body looked Human enough, but her helmet's visor was entirely tinted red, in beautiful contrast with her golden environmental suit.

"Greetings," the woman spoke in perfect Japanese, "My name is Sasha of Iscandar."

She turned her visor transparent, rendering Kodai and Shima speechless at just how Human she looked.

The first thing that came to Kodai's mind was that she was beautiful.

"I bring a gift for your people," she held up a small orange capsule with blinking lights around the rim, "and offer assistance in your plight."

"Our plight?" Shima repeated, slightly unsure of what she meant, "You mean restoring Earth, right?"

"That is part of it, but no," she shook her head, and fixed the two with a determined stare, "I speak of destroying the Garmillan Empire."

So I thought, since Sasha's personality is never talked about (she died, after all), what if she saw what her sister, Starsha, could not? That Desler was the cause of the brutality rampant in the Garmillan Empire. It is because of his policies and leadership that it has descended into totalitarian rule, and those that have his support commit truly egregious atrocities.

Whereas Starsha still thinks that Desler can be reasoned with, Sasha thinks otherwise. Her plan is to use her own influence as an Iscandarian to subvert people and resources from the Garmillan Empire to wage a civil war with. To stage a revolution.

Obviously, from here, the story would diverge greatly from canon. Although they'd still be heading towards Iscandar (technically the other planet but they're in the same system anyways), there would be several diverging factors, which I can expand on if you want to know.



Edit: I mixed up Yurisha and Sasha. Fixed.

https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/4730476/

Originally Posted by TheBleachDoctor

So, concerning the snip I wrote earlier, I need some advice.
I know roughly what's going to happen for the next part. Sasha does a lot of talking with the Human leadership, things go mostly according to canon in terms of fighting between the Pluto Base and Earth.

Yamato launches, blows up bomb, etc. Warp Test works too, they don't fall out prematurely due to a different exit point.

Now, what I'm thinking is that Sasha uses her ship to approach the Pluto base, and they let her in because, you know, "Bud Iscandar"!
She convinces Schulz that her cause is one worth fighting for, leveraging Iscandar's influence in no small measure.

Schulz says that he is not averse to fighting under her, but he fears what would happen to his family should he become a traitor, and for that reason, he can't agree.

I was thinking that Schulz could stage the takeover of the Pluto Base, and fake his own death, but I don't know... do you have any good ideas?

[Ithekro]

I ran a test battle for the Star Blazers Fleet Battle System yesterday with five players using modified Earth Defense Force ships from Yamato 2. The modification was the addition of Wave Motion Shielding as seen in Yamato 2199 and the ability to fire Fusion Shells like Yamato in 2199.

I ran them against a fleet of Gatlantean warships based on their Ark of the Stars appearance, including three Medaruusa class battleships. The Earth fleet lost one battleships out of five....with some ships heavily damaged. At the end of the game, there were six ships from Gatlantis still on the table...out of 27. Two Medaruusa class were still there an each about 40% damaged. They had two cruisers and two destroyers still with them. They were also completely surrounded by the remaining 29 Earth warships.

I intend to make a battle report later, but the quick breakdown of forces was this:

Earth Defense Forces:

5 standard battleships (Borodino class)
5 battlecruiser (Hood class)
5 patrol cruisers (Konigsberg class)
15 frigates (Airone class)

Gatlantean Fleet

3 Assault battleships (Medaruusa class)
3 battle cruisers (Relentless class) - a projected type based on Yamato 2199 plus crude shielding.
3 cruisers (Lascaux class)
18 destroyers (Kukulkan class)

Note that the experienced players fully expected the Earth fleet to lose based on going against that many Yamato 2199 based Medaruusas, yet that won quite handily. The shields made all the difference.

[skaianDestiny]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I ran a test battle for the Star Blazers Fleet Battle System yesterday with five players using modified Earth Defense Force ships from Yamato 2. The modification was the addition of Wave Motion Shielding as seen in Yamato 2199 and the ability to fire Fusion Shells like Yamato in 2199.

I ran them against a fleet of Gatlantean warships based on their Ark of the Stars appearance, including three Medaruusa class battleships. The Earth fleet lost one battleships out of five....with some ships heavily damaged. At the end of the game, there were six ships from Gatlantis still on the table...out of 27. Two Medaruusa class were still there an each about 40% damaged. They had two cruisers and two destroyers still with them. They were also completely surrounded by the remaining 29 Earth warships.

I intend to make a battle report later, but the quick breakdown of forces was this:

Earth Defense Forces:

5 standard battleships (Borodino class)
5 battlecruiser (Hood class)
5 patrol cruisers (Konigsberg class)
15 frigates (Airone class)

Gatlantean Fleet

3 Assault battleships (Medaruusa class)
3 battle cruisers (Relentless class) - a projected type based on Yamato 2199 plus crude shielding.
3 cruisers (Lascaux class)
18 destroyers (Kukulkan class)

Note that the experienced players fully expected the Earth fleet to lose based on going against that many Yamato 2199 based Medaruusas, yet that won quite handily. The shields made all the difference.

I'm getting the feeling the 2199 EDF ships won't have a shield. Remember that the shield was powered by the Iscandarian Wave Motion core. They got 1 additional core, presumably going into the Andromeda. Locally-produced cores or ones they might get from a more amicable Gamilas probably won't be able to power shields, at least ones as powerful as the Yamato's.

Try running the scenario again with either nerfed or no shields for the EDF.

[Ithekro]

I would imagine my players opinion that the Earth fleet would have lost would be the result of no shielding. The quantum torpedoes do provide some rather heavy firepower that cannot be countered easily without shields. Fortunately they have restricted fire arcs for those torpedoes.

With the number of quantum torpedoes fired and the hits against the shields early on I imagine a lot more Earth ships lost early in the battle, though the two wave motion gun shots would still have destroyed one of the Medaruusa class, a battlecruiser, cruiser and three destroyers.

Certainly more of the Earth frigates would have been destroyed as their shielding is what kept them alive. (A single quantum torpedo will destroy an unshielded Earth frigate at any range.)

As I have them currently, the shields provide roughly 50% more hull equivalent to the battleships, about 60% more to the cruisers, and almost three times the hull for the frigates (they are really small ships but have strong enough shielding to survive maybe two or three heavy cannon blasts at close range before the shields fall. The fourth shot will vaporize them. (All that still makes them about half the size of an unshielded Earth cruiser) The main trouble the Gatlanteans had was they missed a lot when it mattered. Not doing enough to break the shielding with their torpedoes to allow for a good follow up with massed gunfire.

The Magnaflame gun however did break the shields on one battleship and the fleet managed to destroy that one and break the shielding of two others to cause heavy damage. But by then, too many ships had been lost to capitalize on this.

Borodino hull = 110 + 50 shields)
Hood hull = 50 + 30 shields
Konigsberg = 47 hull + 30 shields
Airone = 7 hull + 20 shields.

Medaruusa hull = 240
Relentless hull = 70 + 21 shields
Lascaux hull = 35
Kukulkan hull = 10

[GundamFan0083]

Doesn't the wave-motion core power the wave motion engine and the wave motion gun?
It stands to reason that all of the Earth ships built after 2199 would have wave motion shields as well. We see that the shields can be depleted and I would imagine the Gatlantis giant battleship (as seen i Yamato 2) would be able to knock down the shields of most escorts in the Earth fleet with little effort.
Also, we see in Yamato 2 that the Earth fleet is quite capable against the Gatlantis fleet. It is only the cometine Empire's mobile base and the battlefortress that emerges from it that can take out the EDF fleet and cripple Yamato.
Assuming 2199 is following a similar story path, it would stand to reason that the badly outnumbered Earth fleet of 2202 only wins against Gatlandtis' space navy because they have superior ships with shielding.

Just a few thoughts based on Ithekro's tactical simulations.

Thank you Ithekro for sharing, it is appreciated.