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http://myanimelist.net/manga/28485/F...Panic!_Another Here are the weekly manga and light novels rankings for December 19th - 25th. Light Novels *3, *49,830 *53,461 Full Metal Panic! Another vol.2 And Kadokawa could see these good sales for FMP Another and just dismiss this as the FMP crowd and not even bother with an anime. The idea of an anime is a gateway into something else, whether it's pushing manga like Ao no Exorcist did to an amazing extent, or selling fuckloads of light novels like Baka Test, Durrara, Bakemonogatari, Infinite Stratos etc, or selling model kits like Gundam. FMP TSR was my fav mecha title of last decade not named RahXephon, while it sucks that I'll never be able to finish the series I can see why Kadokawa have "abandoned" it. Quote:
Also unless KyoAni took a % of profits deal for Nichijou than I doubt they lost money.... considering Kadokawa's maneuvering to get it to air in a prime time tv slot I'll say they're the ones trying to recover loses... (lol if it pulls a MSG during this rerun) Quote:
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They certainly weren't guaranteed successes... I don't know how popular Haruhi was in Japan at the time but it certainly was nowhere near what it was after the anime.. and for English fandom nobody even bothered to translate the name of the show. K-ON was also nowhere near popular prior to the anime... the current film is on track to surpass the first Evangelion movie in takings... think about that for a second... (of course 2.0 blows anything non-ghibli away with ease_ |
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No anime studio can boast the consistency of sales success that KyoAni can. That has to be highly attractive to the holders of properties that wish to have those properties become anime shows. Simply put, KyoAni should be able to leverage great anime adaptation arrangements for itself given its position within the anime industry. So why in Haruhi's name has it basically become little more than the plaything of Kadokawa it seems? Kyoto Animation has gone from being a truly trailblazing animation studio to one who's very raison d'être now seems to be adapting/promoting relatively obscure Kadokawa properties. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. KyoAni should absolutely be able to say to Kadokawa "Ok, we'll do Nichijou for you, but in return, you let us do more Haruhi. Agreed?" And if Kadokawa balks at that, then they're not showing KyoAni the respect that they deserve, and KyoAni can then go to Key and do Little Busters (which Key clearly has been begging for based on a recent press release talking about it). It's not like KyoAni has no other options but Kadokawa. Quote:
As is, it sounds like from what you're saying, that Kadokawa couldn't care less about the anime-watching fans of its own properties. That's a horrible message to send to its fans, don't you think? Quote:
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These are not rhetorical questions, by the way. They're quite serious. Almost nobody on this site talks about DVD/Blu-Ray sales as though they have no impact whatsoever on the anime studio that produces the content for them. So if they actually have no such impact, then that would be a good thing to learn. Quote:
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So there's no good reason for them to be this beholden to the whims of Kadokawa.
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2011-12-31, 13:51 | Link #865 |
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It is fortunate for K-On that it is handled by Pony Canyon and not Kadokawa.
I'm supposing KyoAni would be seen as a contractor. They are paid to do a service under contract. What we don't know is what that contract is (who gets what, how long it is inforced...what is required by each party, etc...) That anime productions seen to take two years to make...That would place Nichijou's start around the time K-On aired the first time, and up thought the Endless Eight in terms of what was going on between KyoAni and Kadokawa. This next project would have been during K-On's second seeason. Which means we won't start seeing the backlash of Kadokawa's hand in Nichijou's sales until the 2013 or 2014 KyoAni/Kadokawa project. If KyoAni is limited to basically one product per contractor a year. And if KEY products are through Pony Canyon....then KyoAni can have up to three projects a year (roughly, depending on length of the anime), with one Kadokawa, one Pony Canyon, and now one KyoAni production...unless of course the new Romance Comedy is being destricuted by Pony Canyon, then it is still just two. This includes film projects.
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That is the real question. I doubt anyone but insiders know the details of the contracts. It's quite possible that a sequel is less profitable for Kyoani. For Kadokawa the increase in sales boost of other media like manga and light novels might only occur once and sequels are just a necessity for fan maintenance. This would be reflected in the compensation for the producer. A famous example is Victory Gundam where the Sunrise staff actively sabotaged the project as the low budget and sponsor interference created a lot of stress and the team got sick of the project. |
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Yes, I'm aware.
But like you said, KyoAni is the restricting factor here. Kadokawa would likely prefer it if KyoAni could do more, if anything. That is part of what gives KyoAni the leverage that I referred to. Quote:
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That the only thing that matters is how popular an anime makes its associated source material? Haruhi Season 1 pulling down 40K or more is inconsequential, as is the Nichijou anime bombing? These are all serious questions by the way. The idea that your conveying here is certainly not how I read most other anime fans evaluate anime DVD/Blu-Ray sales figures. Quote:
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2011-12-31, 15:07 | Link #870 |
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The value of an anime based on the IP rights is basically how well it does as a commercial for all the other products of that IP (manga, novels, games, figures, CDs, the eventual DVD/BR and other things people buy). The only direct profit the anime gets would be the DVD/Br sales and perhaps online distribution (depending on how that model works).
Nichijou's success or failure may not be tired to its BR sales, but on its increased manga sales, CD sales, and sales of other items...as far as Kadokawa goes anyway. The lack of BR sales doesn't help it though. And that doesn't help KyoAni at all...save that despite all this, their reputation for animation is quite secure given what they did for Nichijou. And as an animation studio, their reputation is their selling point.
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Perhaps KyoAni sort of is. Rumor has it that Producer Ito from Kadokawa is one of KyoAni's non-executive directors. Producer Nakayama from TBS is one too.
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2012-01-02, 17:27 | Link #877 |
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What doom and gloom?
What I get is mostly people want something and it just is not coming, yet. I just compare the "worst" case possible. Space Battleship Yamato had a relatively good ten years for production. Then it ended for ten years. It was to have a comeback and sequels (then the producer got arrested for drugs and guns), but all it got were semi-offshoots that didn't feel like Yamato. The actual sequel went on hold for fifteen years. It was finally released in 2009. After that the series got a live action remake movie in 2010. It is getting a reboot series this year and there is still a rumor that the sequel movie is a part one of three. Full Metal Panic and Haruhi are in far better shapes than Space Battleship Yamato was in the late 1980s or 1990s...or 2000s. For FMP, at least its sequel seems to be on the same level as the original so far..and is not like hundreds of years in the future.
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Most of it seems to be "who pulls the strings" talk.
However we know KyoAni is animating two shows: Hyou-ka, and Chū-2 Byō Demo Koi ga Shitai!, plus there is a suggestion there is a third anime for 2013 in the works (which is likely true given the time it takes to animate things). We don't know when these two anime will be released, nor in what format.
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