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View Poll Results: Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 22 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 29 | 29.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 30 | 30.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 25 | 25.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 11 | 11.00% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.00% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 2.00% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 2.00% | |
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2008-03-19, 05:50 | Link #241 |
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*sigh* People just have WAY to high expectations after season 1, there is just no way to satisfy everyone. If they make a slower episode, people are coming out asking for more fights. If they make an action episode, they come out and complain about Yoshida Kazumi.
I havent read the novels but I am perfectly fine with this episode. The only thing I wonder about is when exactly Yujis mother got pregnant? It was quite suprising, since his father not being home that much. As a side note I loved the how to make babies talk. And Khamsin is a flame haze? I am at work at the moment so I cant rewatch the episode, but if I remember correctly he called himself an uhmm "accelerator" or something like that in season 1. |
2008-03-19, 07:26 | Link #242 |
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I belive so. He was able to fix disturbances in a huge area. He probably is not a strong fighter though. Remember all flame hazes were Tomogaras in the begining . There are diffrent kind of them. We have the fighter type like Sabrac, and techno guy like mad professor. I doubt the Prof. can acctually fight. Probably the same concept is at work here.
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2008-03-19, 08:18 | Link #243 | |
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In the end, Kazumi would start 1 foot ahead of Margery at the contracting phase.
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2008-03-19, 08:27 | Link #244 | |
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That aside, i am not even sure where this "debate" comes from, as i don't believe there is anything at all to indicate that Kazumi actually would have a chance of becoming one.
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2008-03-19, 09:13 | Link #245 | |
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There's an entire possibility of stories here of Kazumi the flame haze. The story of the girl who had incredible abilities at the start, thanks to her inner flame coming from love, a more powerful force. I guess the debate comes from the similarities between Pheles's hougu devouring power of existance and contracts. Because Pheles basically enters Kazumi's body at that time and uses her past, present, and future.
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2008-03-19, 09:43 | Link #246 |
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Im wondering where the hell this speculation about Kazumi becoming a Flame Haze came from and what evidence is there to even support it? I have seen nothing to even suggest in anyway form or fashion that this could be an outcome. If she did sacrfiice herself for Yuuji then it would just be that a selfless sacrifice.
Although, im hoping it doesnt come to her having to use the the H of death to summon Pheles. Which sucks cause i really want to see Pheles at full strength kicking ass but i dont want to see Kazumi eat it
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2008-03-19, 09:54 | Link #247 | ||
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2008-03-19, 10:26 | Link #248 | ||
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The reason as to why Pheles would want to make a contract with her is the similarities between them. Tomogara in some way or another have torn them from their love (Sabrac killing Johan, the world of Tomogara putting Yuji is an entirely different world), they both have fought for love, and they both just seeemed to "click".
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2008-03-19, 11:35 | Link #250 | ||
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Why would she want to contract Kazumi ? What is in it for her ? She isn't looking for a companion on whose shoulder to cry on (besides - she dislikes Kazumi). Nor is Johan fully dead as it seems, and she has her own agenda. Tomogoras (and Flame Haze) are out to kill. Basically with disregard for human life, as that is not their concern. Is Kazumi even remotely capable of that ? Is Pheles even concerned about keeping the world's balance, which is the purpose of Flame Haze ? In the first place, as far as i can tell, Guze no Ou that form contracts are ones that are interested in keeping the world's balance, but are so strong that their direct presence alone disturbs it. (Alastor true form). That why they form contracts - so they could further their own agenda which would be impossible for them otherwise. They aren't looking for chat buddies. Since Pheles doesn't have those problems (which basically means she is weak compared to Alastor and probably the rest of Guze no Ou of the main cast) why would she have the even slightest of interests in a contract. Contracts are formed because of need - both parties have an agenda they can't achieve otherwise. And there is no such need for Pheles. I am not even sure there is one for Kazumi, as i don't think she would throw everything away to keep tailing what she knows is unrequited crush.
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And Pheles in my opinion is concerned about the world's balance, because her lover Johan is. He told her to not eat humans, and they fought against Tomogara together with Wilhelemina, who was definately trying to protect the world's balance. Quote:
Also, I kind of feel bad about talking about this in the Episode 22 thread... Is there any chance my request for a Kazumi thread could get a reconsideration?
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2008-03-19, 12:26 | Link #252 | |||
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2008-03-19, 12:49 | Link #254 | |
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In a way, it might be related if (1) Kazumi saw the action itself or (2) she simply has the same thinking as Shana when it came to Yuuji. If that's what you meant by related, that is... |
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2008-03-19, 12:53 | Link #255 | ||||
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Kazumi is not a fighter, never was and never will be, unless she sees Yuuji mutilated in front of her - she might start wishing for revenge then ... until that happens, i can't see any power she would possessed anything else than wasted, unless we are talking healing or something of the sort. The typical backup character in RPGs, whom everyone fights tooth and nail to protect and that dies as soon as enemy bothers to look at it. Quote:
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2008-03-19, 13:16 | Link #256 |
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Ok, I watched ep22. First reaction: "OMG, Ike is still alive??"
I'm still don't like the lack of genre balance, but I'm still looking forward to the ending. (I think I use "still" too much.) Sorry for interruption, carry on your business. |
2008-03-19, 15:26 | Link #258 |
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Yes, but in current situation one would be hard pressed to find anything much weaker than Sydonay lurking around. The cast is clashing horns with the very cream of the crop, and that is unlikely to change anytime soon. So the likes of Sydonay pretty much is what they are encountering right now, and even the experienced Flame Haze seem incapable of standing up to them 1 on 1. And since Pheles is weaker than whatever Guze no Ou had contracted that kid ...
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2008-03-19, 15:41 | Link #259 | |
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I don't think that it's fair at all to judge Kazumi's potential based off of her present power at all. Everyone else is weak before contracting. Look at Shana. She couldn't lay a single hit on that tomogara and eventually needed to use cunning to hit it. She couldn't rely on her skills. And Kazumi has a fine fighting spirit. She stood up to Shana in the battle of war, knowing full well that Shana has a sword and could kill her easily. Love is a battlefield. Quote:
And no, I think as a Tomogara, Pheles doesn't care about the balance at all. But as a lover, she really wants to listen to Johan's desires. That's why she stopped trying to pull him out, that's why she killed him so he could become a mystes, that's why she journeyed with Wilhelemina. Johan desired balance, I pretty sure. Quote:
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