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Perfect 10 | 78 | 50.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 36 | 23.08% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 21 | 13.46% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 11 | 7.05% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.28% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 2.56% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.64% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 3 | 1.92% | |
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2008-07-01, 23:58 | Link #466 | |
Speedy Sea Cucumber
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Regardless, if anyone is acting on fear this round, I'd have to say its Sheryl and not Ranka. I know I know I'm not good with inflammatory tho. Snide sarcasm and juvenile puns, I can do tho... albeit with varying degrees of success |
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2008-07-02, 08:43 | Link #469 |
Lets be reality
Join Date: May 2007
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This episodes rating, it did air a few hours later than normal.
*1.5%(*2.0%) 06/28 (Sat) *3:30am-*4:00am TBS Macross FRONTIER On another note the MW Nanase faction didn't put up much of a fight... but I guess you really can't defend her too much since she's done nothing. Than again her doing nothing is one of the more used defenses I've seen for her lol... but that's the problem! |
2008-07-02, 10:09 | Link #471 | |
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Interestingly, the phrase "hold on to" has the same meaning as the word "cling". Euphemism, perhaps? The opposite of apathy is intense feeling or interest, but love isn't necessarily intense. Fear doesn't stem from love, but it often pops up around it, when we're still feeling insecure. But fear can also be found even in the complete absence of love, as well. So it can't indicate anything about love. Last edited by Swampstorm; 2008-07-02 at 10:40. |
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2008-07-02, 10:42 | Link #472 | |
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Yes, fear doesn't necessarily equal love, but it's certainly one legitimate sign of it. And it doesn't include the pejorative connotations of possessiveness that you attach to it. It's not like Ranka has made ultimatums to Alto about never seeing Sheryl again. Or demanded that he resign from SMS. And in the larger context of Ranka's actions in the series, I think it's pretty goshdarn sure that Ranka loves Alto. Is she the best match for Alto? That's a different debate. |
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2008-07-02, 11:22 | Link #473 | |
餓鬼に興味ない、俺の好みは年上の美女だ
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Location: Shitty old London. They must've been on drugs when they built this place, WTF were they smoking!!!
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examples that come to mind right away: nanase as mentioned above; miyuki (lucky star); sanae (sumomo mo momo mo): the sensei from maharomatic (cant remember her name); aoi (myself;yourself); mizuho-sensei (onegai teacher)... im sure there are more, these are just the ones i can think of straight away.
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2008-07-02, 11:50 | Link #474 | ||||
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We build relationships with others out of our interest in them, not based on our desire to retain their interest in us. So if Ranka is taking steps to enter into a relationship for the purpose of retaining Alto's interest, as ani_d is suggesting, then she would be doing it for the wrong reasons. If, by contrast, she had always wanted to be in a relationship with Alto, and Sheryl had nothing to do with it, then it's a completely different story. To date, the focus has been more on Ranka's reactions, rather than her feelings, so I don't know for certain, either way. I'm not sure if I'm communicating this properly. Perhaps I'll have to think of an analogy or an example. Quote:
The problem that many people run into is they find the first intense, positive emotion that they encounter and label it as "love". Then they latch on to the person who supplies them with that reaction until it runs out. You can't feel intensely about anything for an extended period of time. Pleasure is temporary, but love is constant. Quote:
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What I am saying is that the existance of these negative emotions doesn't tell you anything about whether people love each other. There's plenty of fear to be had in the world, even without discussing the issue of love. Just as a side note, I'm not trying to imply anything here. I'm just analysing what's been said. |
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2008-07-02, 12:26 | Link #475 |
Michiko Malandro = Sexy
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Macross Frontier Romance is going to need more than a single thread if this keeps up with every single episode. It's going to need it's own sub-forum before things are done.
Sheryl has a crush on Alto. She attempted to make it more than a crush during the filming. Ranka has a crush on Alto and doesn't know how to take it to the next step due to her inexperience. Sheryl is closer to Alto in age and mentality while Ranka is still a kid in comparison. In the real real world Sheryl wins out due to her age, personality and likelihood to have an actual relationship with Alto. However this is an anime and we know reality and logic rarely if ever come into play. I'm enjoying the story regardless and I like to route for the underdog even if the likelihood of the underdog winning is slight to none. Go Ranka! ^_^ |
2008-07-02, 13:53 | Link #476 | |||
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Anyway, I'm not shipping Ranka per se, but her heart is definitely in the right place, IMO, and I can't say the same for Sheryl. There's still a long way to go for that to change, though... |
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2008-07-02, 16:26 | Link #477 | |
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2008-07-02, 16:28 | Link #478 | |||
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But it's hard to tell if she ever wanted anything different in the first place. There are many strong postive relationships that are quite different from love. I'd hope, for example, that she'd be equally willing to save Ozma, or perhaps even Nanase, assuming that they were close enough. Even if Ranka isn't truly interested in romance, one question that could potentially still worry her is: If Alto falls in love with someone else, will she lose her best friend? That's not an easy thought for anyone to cope with. But it doesn't have to be that way, even outside of a romantic relationship. I don't need proof that Ranka cares, since I'm confident of that much. What I'd like to know is what she's really looking for in her relationship with Alto, be it love or friendship. But that's not an issue that can be revealed instantaneously, so I guess I'll have to be patient. Quote:
First, all of the groundwork for the relationship was made purely out of Sheryl's own interest. While her earring initially brought Sheryl into close proximity with Alto, her interest in him as a person lead her in turn to learn more about him. While most of the fun that Sheryl has with Alto in those early stages comes out as friendly banter, there are also more thoughtful moments where she listens to what he says and observes his responses, while giving him serious replies of her own. This sort of intellectual partnership isn't really necessary for a romantic relationship, but it serves as the basis for how Sheryl understands Alto. This is vital, since romantic love cannot exist without first having understanding. Another important step is in episode eight, where Sheryl first takes an interest in Alto's school, and then in his passion for flying. When you're in a relationship simply for the thrill of it, the focus is mainly on your own emotions. But here, Sheryl instead takes the time to try to understand Alto on an emotional level. Nor is this a frivolous interest, either: Michael notes how hard Sheryl has been trying to excel in her piloting classes in episode eleven. Perhaps the most significant progress of all comes from episode eleven and twelve, though. At this point, Sheryl does more than simply understanding Alto's feelings; rather, she attends to them as if they were her own. She sees the events in her own life in terms of how they can benefit his, which allows her to come up with her gift. We see Sheryl become happy at the thought of making Alto happy. Sheryl too feels excitement over breaking the news to Alto, even as he himself does. Finally, when she falls sick, Sheryl feels immense sorrow at being unable to help Alto achieve his dream; moreso perhaps than even Alto himself (and without even first stopping to consider how devastating the situation is to herself). That point right there, where you let another person become so important to you that they become a part of you - that's love. I only wish that we could see relationships of this caliber more often, in stories. Quote:
But what of Sheryl? Is she hero, tragic hero, anti-hero, or villain? The role that she has yet to play in this story is probably still the least clear out of the three main characters, so it's only natural for us to be unsure of her. Not to mention the fact that her chief advisor seems to have turned to the dark side. If I had to go by first impressions, I'd say that her fame, success, and influence are all major strikes against her, as far as our natural tendancies to trust are concerned. But as far as Sheryl's strength of character goes, I'd say that she's easily one of the strongest female leads that I've seen in a romance series since... Madoka from KOR. It's tricky, because I'm torn between my innate skepticism and bias against her 'type' of character and my awe for the character that she's actually become. So it's a bit tough for me, too, because I also feel the need to second guess Sheryl's actions, even in spite of everything that we've seen. But while I can see plenty of ways that she can still go astray, she hasn't let me down yet (please don't let me down!) Last edited by Swampstorm; 2008-07-02 at 16:46. |
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2008-07-02, 20:28 | Link #479 | ||
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Which isn't to say Sheryl deserved to fail, or she doesn't care about Alto, or that she's subverting Ranka or something. I think... hrm. Let me think of how to put this succinctly... The present isn't really for Alto, it's for her. She's so shelled up, so "Sheryl Nome," so aloof, tsun tsun, etc. that the only way she can really let her guard down and let Alto know she's falling in love with him (especially with Ranka there) is to do something that completely over the top perfect that Alto would end up a dere dere mess of bishonen manliness flying around the skies of Gallia 4. And that's exactly why she fucked up so spectacularly. I don't think Sheryl is any less awesome, mind you. Although maybe next time, she'll stick to cookies too... |
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2008-07-02, 20:40 | Link #480 |
Catholic = Cat addiction?
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: MURICA!!
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Funny how she was also talking about cookies metaphorically in her latest blog. . .
Have you guys noticed, that while Ranka is actively pursuing Alto, and does a terrible job in hiding her feelings about him, Sheryl on the other hand, is reluctant, but unconsciously being drawn into the fray? . Slowly but surely, her feelings begin to develop for him. Now she is probably at a stage where she is wondering "why is it hurting so much inside. . ." - Tak |
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