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StratoSpear · 2012-06-14, 20:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroXSEED

Why the hell I keep thinking of I.S. cape in spite of the sheer impracticalities? Though it's not those blowy heroic cape, more like foldable armor plating (Like Master Gundam, Deathscythe, or Dynames)

You could also make the armor plating fold into a buster sword ala Blue Frame Astray's Tactical Arms.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-06-14, 20:58

@ Demi
Too fast, too casual, otherwise it's fine.

What I want is to make an emphasis about Igel's insane defense without restricting mobility too much when it's forced to close quarter. It's really a pseudo-transforming unit, a proto-G4 unit built from scratch and identified as G3.5 (G4 theory already been around for quite some time, just that nobody able to implement it)

The 'cape' in question is energy shield generator coupled with cutting edge composite armor, whose redundancy allow Igel to shrug light firepower and reduce the damage from anything else. Of course, it cost a lot of energy so some function such as maneuvering thruster have to be disabled.

The solution is to make the extra thrusters hidden under the armor and will be unleashed when mobility is preferred over defense (the extra shield generators are deactivated)

@ Stratos
Nah, too fancy and gimmicky.

demino_hellsin · 2012-06-14, 21:29

guess I'll have to better onvthe real thing

The armor sounds reasonable enough... but the vibe I'm getting is that it's too reasonable. Am I wrong?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-06-14, 21:44

Yes, it's too convenient, particularly that the designer is 10 (It takes whopping 2 years to complete, with the help of experienced engineers, but still....). Large amount of capacitor due to the massive design also offset the energy requirement, the downside is just that, weight is weight. PIC be damned.

Unlike unmanned golem, overweight frame will give unnecessary burden to the pilot and tip the sense of balance off. And even with strengthened frame and artificial muscle (whereas normally I.S. only depend on their suspension field and small servo motors), it's maneuverability still lower than most I.S. in spite of excellent acceleration and speed (hence 4/5 on mobility and 3/5 on maneuverability)

demino_hellsin · 2012-06-14, 21:49

... anti-beam ablative gel

The shield maintains a set amount of coating and can be induced to release more when necessary. when the gel is used up, weight is reduced by the loss of gel granting unreasonable speed for its bulk...?

EDIT: imbalance in weight distribution made so that the center of gravity's basis are the edges. this is so that the abnormal weight on the edges can be used as anchors to maneuver. Normal sense of balancing would be futile in such cases though.

Need to go to school now, later

ZeroXSEED · 2012-06-14, 21:53

Whereas the loss of gel mean the armor is hollow and it's integrity is questionable

The amount of gel can't be that massive really (due to the density), not to mention it's effectiveness. Else you're making a truly gamebreaker system like gundams are to the mooks of the season.

Eratas123 · 2012-06-14, 22:13

@ Senpai - Going to make a draft for Shadow intor. Can you please read?

demino_hellsin · 2012-06-15, 05:52

weight bears no problem since any gel is less dense than metal and therefore lighter than if the whole shield was a solid slab of metal. Integrity is also solved by the fact that we're only exchanging the space used for electronics and such with tanks for the gel. Maybe twice as big in volume but the general toughness granted by the plating should be well enough.

I trust the integrity enough because the shield has to protect the inner circuitry from breaking down after receiving impact. However with the gel tanks, there is no such sensitive apparatuses to protect. So the integrity should only be well enough to take shots and not to completely nullify the blow. With the tanks hollow. You'd be banking more with the speed you gain from the loss of gel than actual defense. Taking actual hits becomes more of a last line than your actual defensive stratagem.

Eratas123 · 2012-06-15, 08:27

@ Senpai - New Shadow Intro:

Spoiler:

agetreme · 2012-06-15, 13:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroXSEED

Why the hell I keep thinking of I.S. cape in spite of the sheer impracticalities? Though it's not those blowy heroic cape, more like foldable armor plating (Like Master Gundam, Deathscythe, or Dynames)

A little late.....
But.....Did I heard Crossbone Gundam?

Edit: Well... third gen has beam weaponry.... anti-beam cloak sounds kind of logical.... (light weighted and the cloth wouldn't restrict moment as much as armor plating...)

ZeroXSEED · 2012-06-15, 23:29

@ Demi
.... Which what I said, the gel mass won't be that much so the speed gain won't be that much either

, also once again, it couldn't be super effective else you made a truly gamebreaking system. (because one spray of gel is very little amount, and from what I get that unit carry enormous amount of gel, enough to affect the total mass) As for the integrity, I though it haven't separate tanks, sorry.

@ Eras
*NERDGASM*

@ Age
The cloth will be used as placeholder until actual armor is constructed, more or less metapolymer crossed with carbon nanotube and superdense metal alloy. Flexible, strong, but still heavy (half as much as actual plate armor with same coverage)

demino_hellsin · 2012-06-15, 23:38

@zero: Huh... well that's that

Is it considered an unusual ability to be able to act and observe at the same time?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-06-15, 23:41

Yes it is, human concentration has it's limits.

demino_hellsin · 2012-06-16, 00:07

If one can do such a thing to a certain extent of clear memorization and analysis of myriad possible outcomes while at the same time doing something extremely delicate and at the same time hectic. Such as formulating tactics while dodging bullets.

Can it be considered superhuman?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-06-16, 00:08

Yes, they are. Though any decent pilot can do that if they have their I.S. (hence why I.S. made people borderline super)

Eratas123 · 2012-06-16, 00:09

@ Senpai - Need more contructive criticism than that:/

demino_hellsin · 2012-06-16, 00:20

Umm... not supersoldier and not in IS?

agetreme · 2012-06-16, 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

If one can do such a thing to a certain extent of clear memorization and analysis of myriad possible outcomes while at the same time doing something extremely delicate and at the same time hectic. Such as formulating tactics while dodging bullets.

Can it be considered superhuman?

......

"one can do such a thing to a certain extent of clear memorization and analysis of myriad possible outcomes"

Analysis of myriad possible outcome is really damn hard.....if not down right impossible. Especially in a situation where one half of you is actually panicking.

Analysis of possible outcome is usually done when there is a short moment of break (where people can calm down and think) or before the thing happen.... you know.... thinking few step ahead?

Certain extent of Clear memorization is possible when the person practised doing that thing so often..... that he can practically do it with his eyes closed.

In a hectic situation.... Minor Screw up is kind of expected....

==

Edit: "formulating tactics while dodging bullets."

Lol, you have any idea how fast bullet actually travel? The only reason why a normal person can dodge a bullet is through sheer luck or that shooter has really bad aim.

Moar Edit( I forgot): Or that normal person has Super God-like skill (like able to cut bullet into two)

ZeroXSEED · 2012-06-16, 00:34

@ Demi
good luck

@ Age

@ Eras
What else can I say? It's definitely way better than before. Though I admit one thing, too many dialogue can be confusing, add some transition between them, exposition or whatever.

Eratas123 · 2012-06-16, 00:40

@ Senpai - There we go

How do you suggest transitioning?

2012-06-14, 20:58	Link #32322
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Demi Too fast, too casual, otherwise it's fine. What I want is to make an emphasis about Igel's insane defense without restricting mobility too much when it's forced to close quarter. It's really a pseudo-transforming unit, a proto-G4 unit built from scratch and identified as G3.5 (G4 theory already been around for quite some time, just that nobody able to implement it) The 'cape' in question is energy shield generator coupled with cutting edge composite armor, whose redundancy allow Igel to shrug light firepower and reduce the damage from anything else. Of course, it cost a lot of energy so some function such as maneuvering thruster have to be disabled. The solution is to make the extra thrusters hidden under the armor and will be unleashed when mobility is preferred over defense (the extra shield generators are deactivated) @ Stratos Nah, too fancy and gimmicky. __________________

2012-06-14, 21:44	Link #32324
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Yes, it's too convenient, particularly that the designer is 10 (It takes whopping 2 years to complete, with the help of experienced engineers, but still....). Large amount of capacitor due to the massive design also offset the energy requirement, the downside is just that, weight is weight. PIC be damned. Unlike unmanned golem, overweight frame will give unnecessary burden to the pilot and tip the sense of balance off. And even with strengthened frame and artificial muscle (whereas normally I.S. only depend on their suspension field and small servo motors), it's maneuverability still lower than most I.S. in spite of excellent acceleration and speed (hence 4/5 on mobility and 3/5 on maneuverability) __________________

2012-06-14, 21:49	Link #32325
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	... anti-beam ablative gel The shield maintains a set amount of coating and can be induced to release more when necessary. when the gel is used up, weight is reduced by the loss of gel granting unreasonable speed for its bulk...? EDIT: imbalance in weight distribution made so that the center of gravity's basis are the edges. this is so that the abnormal weight on the edges can be used as anchors to maneuver. Normal sense of balancing would be futile in such cases though. Need to go to school now, later Last edited by demino_hellsin; 2012-06-15 at 05:39.

2012-06-14, 21:53	Link #32326
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Whereas the loss of gel mean the armor is hollow and it's integrity is questionable The amount of gel can't be that massive really (due to the density), not to mention it's effectiveness. Else you're making a truly gamebreaker system like gundams are to the mooks of the season. __________________

2012-06-14, 22:13	Link #32327
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Senpai - Going to make a draft for Shadow intor. Can you please read? __________________

2012-06-14, 21:29	Link #32323
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	guess I'll have to better onvthe real thing The armor sounds reasonable enough... but the vibe I'm getting is that it's too reasonable. Am I wrong?

2012-06-15, 05:52	Link #32328
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	weight bears no problem since any gel is less dense than metal and therefore lighter than if the whole shield was a solid slab of metal. Integrity is also solved by the fact that we're only exchanging the space used for electronics and such with tanks for the gel. Maybe twice as big in volume but the general toughness granted by the plating should be well enough. I trust the integrity enough because the shield has to protect the inner circuitry from breaking down after receiving impact. However with the gel tanks, there is no such sensitive apparatuses to protect. So the integrity should only be well enough to take shots and not to completely nullify the blow. With the tanks hollow. You'd be banking more with the speed you gain from the loss of gel than actual defense. Taking actual hits becomes more of a last line than your actual defensive stratagem.

2012-06-15, 08:27	Link #32329
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Senpai - New Shadow Intro: Spoiler: The sounds of heels clicking on the floor echoed throughout the dark hallway. The one walking sighed, but continued to walk nonetheless, her long light blue hair swishing left and right. The black business suit she wore contrasted greatly with the suspicious atmosphere. Undisturbed, the lone figure continued to walk briskly down the hall, ignoring the feeling of dread that became stronger with every step. She always hated going here, it always meant dealing with psychopaths and/or dealing with something even worse. Truth be told, she preferred the latter. At least you didn't have to play nice, then. Despite the building's darkness, its technological edge could be seen quite clearly. Holographic screens, walls that shone with a metallic sheen, and various other features. "Sasha darling, how lovely to see you again." The voice was familiar to her. Not welcome, but familiar. She turned around came face to face with the all too familiar blond haired beauty. She suppressed the shudder that went down her body and forced a smile, "Ah, Miss Squall, it's a pleasure to see you again." Actually, not really, but she knew better than to provoke any member of the meeting they were going to have. She smiled at the greeting and ruffled her dress, smoothening the wrinkles from the dark red fabric, "How long has it been? 2 years? 3?" "It's only been 6 months...." She couldn't keep the slight sarcasm that spilled out. "Oh yes, how silly of me." She bowed he head in slight apology, "Time seems to pass by nowadays, since I've been so busy and all." Sasha didn't want to know what she meant by busy. Most likely dealing with more under the table business. "I see." She tried to keep her voice neutral, "Tell me, how is your investigation into the Fallen Nation Corporation doing?" She asked suspiciously. "Oh, it's been going well. We've found some of their bases, though they were abandoned or evacuated whenever we came to check. Still, some of the data we've uncovered is very interesting." Squall smiled and walked past her, ignoring her suspicious stare, "It was mostly on IS experiment data, but nothing new or groundbreaking." "And by the way, they're classified under the Pseudonym 'Phantom Task' now." "Phantom task......" She leveled a glare at Squalls back. How convenient was it that they only got junk data and abandoned bases despite her being in charge of the search? "Yes well, nothing that can be done about it for now." Squall shrugged and smiled serenely, seemingly ignorant of the animosity being leveled at her, "On more lighter matters. How is your family doing? I've heard some wonderful things lately." "Such as....?" "I've heard your daughter's the new IS Representative of Russia, and at such a young age even. Most people her age are lucky to become candidate's." Sasha couldn't stop the smile as she heard Squall. Her daughter made her proud that day to be sure. "I also heard about your other daughter became a Representative Candidate for Japan. It seems your family is showing its talent early." "Yes, I'm proud of both of them." She knew Squall was just flattering her. It was something she had gotten used to ever since she succeeded her parents for leadership. The Sarashiki's were a powerful and influential group, as many people were aware of. Many hoped to use that power for themselves. "I suppose we should get on with the meeting then. We shouldn't keep the others waiting." Squall walked forward silently, her footsteps not making a single sound. Sasha knew better than to question it. The walk towards the meeting area was quiet, but it was better than listening to more fake compliments and flattery. She was already regretting her decision to come here, but she was angry at IS academy more. She had no doubt this was because of that drone attack that they chose to conceal. Not well enough, unfortunately for her. Unknown to most of the general public, and even some governments, meetings were held frequently in these far off places whenever a major incident with the IS took place. Most who came were worried company leaders, scientists who did research, and various other figures who thought they would be affected. Everyone was doing a balancing act, and the only way to come out on top was to push the others off. The two arrived at the meeting place soon after. The other two were already there, most likely eager to either start discussing or get it over with. "Ah, the esteemed heads arrive. Had a little trouble finding your way here, hmm?" The mocking question came from the man leaning over the table with bloodshot eyes. His gray hair disheveled and the lab coat grungy. He looked completely out of place compared to the others. "Now, now. I'm sure they have good reason." Another male, this one looked almost like his complete opposite. Dressed in a fine blue striped suit with an obviously groomed hair and slight beard, they looked like they would have no association whatseover no matter how one looked at it. "Yes, it seems we aren't as familiar with this place as we thought. You'll have to forgive us for the inconvenience." Squall took a seat on one side with Sasha following. "Where is everybody else?" Sasha questioned. "This is everybody else." The blond haired man answered first, "I'm afraid the other two don't see the importance of this incident." "Hmph, they don't see the importance of anything past their next meal. They only care about how to monopolize this for their own gain. As are the rest of you, I'm sure" The one in the lab coat smirked when the other three leveled him with fierce stares. He didn't care what they thought of him, all that mattered were results. The meeting was already odd in and of itself already. The fact that only the 4 of them came when there were usually at least a dozen people was the first thing they all noticed. "Professor Kirijou, you were the one who called us here. I presume it's because of the recent incident at IS Academy." Sasha started. "Hmmm, yes. The one they not so subtly chose to try and hide. Did they really think they could hide an attack of that magnitude forever?" The small grin on his face unnerved her. To him, everything was an experiment. People became subjects, problems became questions, and everything boiled down to cold hard facts. Morality was an issue that was better left out of his life. Many would say he was as cold blooded as a lizard. While he fit the general description of a mad scientist, this very worldview was what allowed him to succeed in his field so well. Scientists who weren't willing to go all the way to get results were tossed aside, and he reveled in the freedom the projects assigned to him gave. And he always got results. "Yes, this meeting is a bit abrupt, is it not? I'm afraid I also have important matters to deal with." The blond haired man interrupted. Adrian Luke Francis Dunoa, or Adrian Dunoa for short, was the leader of Dunoa industries, France's one and only corporation built on IS production and research. While Dunoa industries was a power that couldn't be beaten in the past, it was currently being left behind. Their lack of progress on the 3rd Generation IS had cost them dearly. "Oh, is it to keep you dying company afloat? I'm afraid to tell you that you won't last that long at the rate you're going." Kirijou smiled sadistically as he saw Adrian's knuckles of turn white from holding the table. No doubt he was angry that there was someone he couldn't touch. "Is there a reason you called this meeting or not, Mr. Kirijou? I'm afraid that not all of us have the same luxury of free time like you do." Squall was the one who asked this time. "Very well." He pulled a remote out of his pocket and clicked it, activating the projection screen on the long rectangular table, "As you all most likely know, IS Academy was attacked by an automated IS unit not 2 weeks ago." Another click of the button and a picture of a black unit showed up on the screen. "Not only is the weaponry better than what most units have, it also has both an unregistered core and an advanced AI. No mere copy could be this good." He trailed off and started laughing to himself. "What are you saying, professor?" Sasha narrowed her eyes suspiciously. She didn't like where this was going. "I'm saying that it most likely came from the great creator herself, Tabane Shinonono." The look of shock on the three others faces wasn't surprising. She was, after all, the most wanted person in the world right now. "Though why she would send a drone to the school, I do not know, I believe the machine could provide a vital clue for finding her." "How so?" Squall asked. "That core is not registered to any of the 200 or so cores that the world currently has. That means there's a high chance it can be traced back to the source, namely her." "Wait, wait, wait. How are you so sure it's from her? I've no doubt there are others who work on core replication and AI piloted suits." Though the IS was officially banned for military use and secret research forbidden, everyone who ever came to these meeting knew it was a ruse. Smoke and mirrors used to calm the public eye. "Ah, Adrian, ever the unobservant one." He shook his head mockingly before continuing, "Core replication is impossible. And even if it was, I doubt anyone would send the unit housing it to terrorize an arena filled with Children. No, the only one who could do it is someone who can afford to lose it." "What is your plan in all this, Mr Kirijou?" Squall asked, trying to ease the tension. Kirijou always tried to provoke people simply because he knew they could never fight back. "Plan, Ms. Squall?" He looked at her weirdly, "Oh no, I'm not so crude as to believe that I can just swoop in there and grab the core, simple as that. No, I merely told you all this to see what will happen." He sat down on his seat and leaned back "If my calculations are correct, then I believe the core will be taken by someone in the coming months. Maybe it's someone in this room, maybe not. Either way, I just wanted to share my findings." All of them involuntarily flinched at his words. Though he was crazy, his words held a smidgen of truth in them. Everyone in this room trusted each other as much as they could throw each other (Without the IS, of course). They were lucky only three of them showed up, or things might have gone worse. "I will share my findings on this with the other members next time, assuming they look past their plate of caviar to find time to go that is." All three ignored, already making plans of their own. Whether out of duty, greed, or something else, the data in that core would be priceless in their hands. None of them were going to pass this up. "Oh, and one other thing I should mention." All of them looked back at him, "There is another incident that might pose interest to you." He pressed the remote again and the image on the screen changed, this time to a security feed. "As you know, there have been.....setbacks in the IS production lately. This is due to attacks on facilities either by rogue elements hoping to steal units, or others with a grudge against the IS for one reason or another." "Yes, I'm aware of this, Professor." Sasha pointed out. The attacks were of course kept from public knowing. The effects of news like this could be catastrophic if spread wrongly. "A particular group has been causing trouble lately. They aren't the usual vagabonds that we get. They managed to destroy multiple facilities in the recent months, and though civilian casualties were kept to a minimum, the price of the collateral damage is becoming astronomical as of late." "What does this have to do with any of us?" "Simply put: They're dangerous and they aren't going to go away if you plug your ears and ignore them. I'm simply warning you right now." He shrugged and clicked the play button. "Here, have a look." All of them leaned forward and looked at the screen. Three figures walked in, gunfire streaming right behind them. All of them were dressed in various clothes, though they had gas masks and body armor with them at the very least. The tallest one grabbed his gun and fired back. "Hey, hurry up and close the door!" The distorted voice yelled out, obviously being masked by a voice changer. "Got it...." One of the others started rapidly typing the keys on the computer, ignoring the gunfire. "Hurry up!" The second one joined the first in shooting. He started typing faster and, just as an explosion rang out, the door closed. "Door sealed." "Cutting it close there, huh? We were almost killed back there." The tallest one complained. "Nevermind that, Irish should be here by now. He said he had-" "I'm here...." The three of them turned to look at the vent, which got pushed off before a small figure, dressed in some kind of black rubber like material all over his body. His head was covered with a gas mask, obscuring his features. "Where the hell were you? Never mind, did you find the location of that prototype?" The middle one asked. "Yeah, it was activated not long ago. Apparently they-" He didn't get to continue before a crash resounded. Debris fell everywhere, nearly obscuring the camera's vision, but they could just make out enough to see through the gaps. "Is that....." Adrian pointed at the screen in shock. "Yes, a prototype IS with an artificial intelligence sown in. Not as good as the one from the recent attack, but still good nonetheless." He turned off the video as the sounds of fighting increased. "So why did you want to show this to us? It looked like everything was solved right there." "Ah, but that's just it. When a team was sent to check, the prototype had been destroyed and it's core scrapped. Whoever did this was thorough and, by the fact that there were no corpses seen in the room, that I can guess it was they who did it." "You're saying that 4 people took down a unit? Even if they were using anti-IS weapons, it would be near impossible to do it with no casualties." Sasha interjected. "It's not skill that saved them, but an invention. My invention." His voice took on an angry edge, "One of them was wearing an advanced suit, the small one. It's an invention of mine from before." He balled his hands into fists, "Most likely it scanned the suit and allowed the user to get close since it recognized it from a database somewhere. "You mean that supposed miracle pilot suit? The one that was pulled out since it proved too unstable, Mr Kirijou?" Squall couldn't keep the smugness in her tone out. "It was NOT unstable. It was simply stolen from me before I could finish the final touches. It would've made every pilot as best as they could be. Now it's being used by some common criminal as some kind of protective wear." He took a deep breath and tried to calm himself. "Enough. That's all I wanted you to know. Spread it around, keep it to yourself, it doesn't matter to me. I'm only giving you fair warning." With that last word, all of them stood up and left the room. __________________

2012-06-15, 23:29	Link #32331
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Demi .... Which what I said, the gel mass won't be that much so the speed gain won't be that much either , also once again, it couldn't be super effective else you made a truly gamebreaking system. (because one spray of gel is very little amount, and from what I get that unit carry enormous amount of gel, enough to affect the total mass) As for the integrity, I though it haven't separate tanks, sorry. @ Eras NERDGASM @ Age The cloth will be used as placeholder until actual armor is constructed, more or less metapolymer crossed with carbon nanotube and superdense metal alloy. Flexible, strong, but still heavy (half as much as actual plate armor with same coverage) __________________

2012-06-15, 23:38	Link #32332
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	@zero: Huh... well that's that Is it considered an unusual ability to be able to act and observe at the same time?

2012-06-15, 23:41	Link #32333
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Yes it is, human concentration has it's limits. __________________

2012-06-16, 00:07	Link #32334
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	If one can do such a thing to a certain extent of clear memorization and analysis of myriad possible outcomes while at the same time doing something extremely delicate and at the same time hectic. Such as formulating tactics while dodging bullets. Can it be considered superhuman?

2012-06-16, 00:08	Link #32335
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Yes, they are. Though any decent pilot can do that if they have their I.S. (hence why I.S. made people borderline super) __________________

2012-06-16, 00:09	Link #32336
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Senpai - Need more contructive criticism than that:/ __________________

2012-06-16, 00:20	Link #32337
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Umm... not supersoldier and not in IS?

2012-06-16, 00:34	Link #32339
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Demi good luck @ Age @ Eras What else can I say? It's definitely way better than before. Though I admit one thing, too many dialogue can be confusing, add some transition between them, exposition or whatever. __________________

2012-06-16, 00:40	Link #32340
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Senpai - There we go How do you suggest transitioning? __________________