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View Poll Results: Another - Episode 10 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 33 | 44.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 22 | 29.33% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 14 | 18.67% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 6.67% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.33% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-03-14, 12:59 | Link #161 |
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Okay, I feel I must rectify my earlier rant, as I overlooked something.
Kouichi was hospitalized and visited by the countermeasure team in April. However, the class didn't start ignoring Mei a few days later, on May 1, so there was no reason for Izumi to mention Mei back then, nor inform him of the class rules, as there weren't any yet. The only time she could have done something was right before he started attending classes, and she was sick at the time. She could have asked the other two members to inform Kouichi, but her being the head of countermeasures might mean that she had to do it herself, so I'm not sure if she has a whole lot to blame for. I'm still not justifying her behavior, but I can see the reason behind it more clearly than I could before. Still, why didn't she blame Kouichi, if she needed a scapegoat that desperately? Did she merely pick Mei because she was pretty much an outcast from the get-go, or is there more to Izumi than we're led to believe?
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2012-03-14, 13:11 | Link #162 | ||
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That aside, the interesting point is the different ways in which we "see" a character despite ostensibly looking at the same thing. And to a certain extent, this has been an intentional set-up throughout the series, most especially in Mei's case. She has gone from possible phantom to creepy to cute to detached to tragic and, finally, to being genuinely afraid of her circumstances. As I've brought up earlier, I believe this to be one of the themes of the story, that is, the juxtaposition of "seeing" and "perceiving". The way the Class of 72 "perceived" the original Misaki despite no one actually "seeing" him. The way a non-existent student is not supposed to be "perceived" even though everyone can "see" the individual. The fact that the story invites viewers to ask such questions is what makes this series a cut above the norm, I find. Quote:
The better answer is that Kouichi can't possibly held responsible for doing something no one told him not to do. That's not the case with Mei. She was asked to take up a specific role which entailed certain responsibilities. She could have chosen not to do it, but since she did, Mei had a duty to her classmates to perform the role to the best of her ability. Izumi wasn't the only one who felt that Mei hadn't completely fulfilled her end of the bargain — there were murmurs of assent from others in the dining room. But those students chose to keep quiet about it. Rather than trying to pretend that the bad feelings don't exist, Izumi made a stand and vocalised what many students already clearly felt. In doing so, and by receiving a sincere apology from Mei, Izumi's hope was probably that everyone could then move on. Last edited by TinyRedLeaf; 2012-03-14 at 13:22. |
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2012-03-14, 15:25 | Link #163 |
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Oh, come on! Just when they were going to reveal who the reaper was! And hurray for spooky Anime photos. I won't be able to sleep tonight >.>
Sounds remain well directed. Thunder and the banging... Whoever doesn't have a subwoofer should get one. Really enhances the mood. I was thinking they would show more ghostly images when Mei covered her eye to look at Kouichi like someone appearing next to him or dead spirits So I guess it's Naoya's turn to record his confession onto tape except he didn't kill the reaper like the last guy did from the looks of the teaser. I wonder why Mei still keeps the bandage over her eye even though they know she can use it to see the reaper? Would be the best time to use it now.
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2012-03-14, 16:57 | Link #167 |
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Technically, it's not killing because the person is already dead, right? What makes it difficult to pull off is that the person is a classmate or potentially someone close to you and they also act, look, and feel as though they're a living human being. So from their and everyone else's POV, you are murdering them in cold blood. But the question of whether it's ok to kill them, at least to me, is a no-brainer: it's not an immoral act. It's a question of resolve.
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2012-03-14, 17:14 | Link #168 | |||
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By the way, some students blame Kouichi as well, yet she didn't even try to address the issue. Shouldn't she have if her one and only noble goal was to alleviate the tension?
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2012-03-14, 20:14 | Link #170 | ||
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The students don't know what Mei has gone through and what she has tried to do, and the problem is that Mei doesn't try to explain. Rather, when confronted by Izumi, she says the equivalent of "So what?" If I were among the students, knowing only what they know, I would be incredibly pissed off with Mei's apparently nonchalant attitude. The tone of Mei's reply gives the impression that she "knows" she is guilty and that she doesn't care if her classmates think she is. And that is what many viewers fail to consider, because we have indeed been affected by what we, and only we and a handful of other students such as Kouichi, have seen of Mei. We know by now that Mei often toys with people, such as the way she misled Kouichi in the earlier episodes and the way she joked about the moaning in the library basement. The problem is that, because of her deadpan delivery of these barbs, it is often very hard to tell when she is joking and when she is being serious. That is the difficulty many of her classmates are dealing with, that Mei doesn't seem to care what happens to any of them. So, from this perspective, it becomes possible to understand why some students feel that Mei didn't take her responsibility seriously, thus putting all their lives in jeopardy. It's a pretty reasonable conclusion, given their circumstances. A sincere apology would have helped greatly to clear all these misunderstandings, but Mei makes it sound as though she thinks: "Oh, what a bother. Fine, if it's an apology you twerps want, I'll give it to you. Not that I care what you losers think anyway." Let us not forget that Mei has always been a socially inept person with few friends. She's actually a normal girl, just like everyone else, but because she has apparent difficulties interacting with other people, she often unwittingly creates a lot of ill will towards her. So, from her classmates' point of view, it becomes easier to believe that Mei was taking revenge on them by letting the counter-measure fail. Again, this is a reasonable conclusion for them to reach, given their circumstances. Quote:
Bear in mind again that Mei doesn't explain herself, but behaves as though she thinks: "So what? Even if I were explain, you losers wouldn't believe me anyway." I say again: Mei's apparent "I-don't-care" attitude is what infuriates Izumi and many of her classmates, which is why it's reasonable for them to feel that an apology is in order. This point actually counts very heavily against your argument because, in my opinion, it proves that Izumi is still thinking clearly. She doesn't blame Kouichi because she already accepts that she was at fault for not having explained the counter-measure to him beforehand. Had she joined those classmates in trying to lynch Kouichi, then and only then would I think she was being emotional and vindictive in the whole affair. As it were, I strongly believe that she wasn't. |
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2012-03-14, 21:13 | Link #171 | |
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2012-03-14, 22:12 | Link #173 |
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Interesting...so if Misaki theory that having an artificial eye etc is true and you could see the color of the dead, then I should actually have been able to see spirits or something like that since I have in my left eye a transplanted cornea from someone already dead, sadly I don't think I'm able to see any =/
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2012-03-14, 22:20 | Link #174 | |
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Its probably some phenomenon on its own though. Her eye is special in several ways like being blessed by a prist and things.
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2012-03-15, 00:06 | Link #175 |
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Glass Eye
When Misaki thoroughly explained Kouichi about she being able to see the color of death with her glass eye I thought of some examples.
The first was D.Gray-man with Allen's left eye able to tell humans and Akuma apart, but then I thought of other shows with more sinisters themes. One of them is Tsukihime; Shiki Tohno's ability to see the lines of death with his eyes. I think it was in episode four that Misaki explained to Kouichi that when little she had developed a sort of cancerous growth around the area of her left eye and had to be surgically removed. I theorize maybe Misaki got blessed/cursed with the glass eye able to see the color of death, because she experienced a close encounter with death in that surgery. It's just a theory nothing else. But the thing is that with the eye and after listening to the tape she confirmed for real the identity of the year's extra person; the dead one, and why she was looking anxious. From the preview, it looks that the story will reach the climax next episode. |
2012-03-15, 02:46 | Link #176 | |
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The class (probably) doesn't know that Kouichi was never informed of the rules, and that Mei tried to keep Kouichi away from her, but it still doesn't take away the fact that Izumi should have taken full responsibility for what had happened, and not lash out at Mei for not doing more than she could have done (which was pretty much impossible anyway, as that would have required her to just stay home and not go to school at all anymore). So, no, I don't believe Izumi was thinking straight, else she would've taken responsibility herself, which would have been the wisest thing to do.
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2012-03-15, 02:53 | Link #177 | |
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2012-03-15, 03:30 | Link #178 | |
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When explaining the countermeasure to Mei and Koichi, he said that it only works out 50% of the time. Sometimes it's clear why the countermeasure fails, other times he has no clue. His words. The underlined part addresses all these "someone accidentally acknowledged the nonexistent person" - they make up the cases where the reason for failure is clear. There are no grounds on which to assume that small continuous slip-ups are allowed however, and Chibiki's words support the opposite.
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2012-03-15, 04:24 | Link #179 | ||
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After she said this, her earlier apology appeared to be a simple formality to me, she got that out of the way so that Mei or someone else wouldn't be able to throw it at her face. I find a bit laughable that she chewed Mei out for not apologizing sooner even though she only did it a second earlier herself. That's a bit hypocritical, don't you think? If anyone is not blame (and I don't believe that is the case) for what happened, then she is. The primary reason her countermeasures failed is that she never informed Kouichi of the situation when she had the chance, not that Mei failed to avoid him (if anything, that's only secondary). She does not have any right to blame Mei for something that is the result of her own failure. In the first pace, it was completely needless to bring that up now. People blame Mei and resent her? Let them, she can take it. In a way, that is how she takes responsibility: by letting others blame her in their heart and talk behind her back. She makes no excuse and does not ask for forgiveness. Please note that she never rebuked Izumi's accusations. She intended to keep bearing the blame. She simply said apologizing is pointless, and I believe she is correct. Apologizing won't change anything, at best it will only make her feel better about herself. I agree with the rest of your post about Mei. It is true that her attitude must be very irritating and I fully understand why others including Izumi would hate her guts for not showing a shred of concern for her fellow classmates. Quote:
No, I believe the only thing she truly wanted was to hear from Mei's mouth was that it was all her fault, in order to alleviate her own guilt.
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2012-03-15, 13:00 | Link #180 | |
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Thinking back to Izumi's dream of meeting with Kouichi, one thing I find odd is that if they met back in 1993 (...the year her brother died, correct me of the year if I'm wong), then why do they look the same as they do now? I'd imagine they would look much younger, no?
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