2012-11-10, 17:26 | Link #421 | |
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2012-11-10, 21:18 | Link #422 | |
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They suffered psychological and physical trauma. Their reps got shot to hell. They had to leave the area. Their life got ruined. It is not too farfetched to want someone dead in this scenario. Hitmen are hired in real life for lesser reasons. And they get money for it. It's a real deal to get paid to have revenge done on your enemy.
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2012-11-11, 00:31 | Link #423 |
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Wow, Sakamoto and Taira really steaming up the bromance. Might be because I hung around with fujoshis a lot, but I can't help but think that this episode would've been BL bait if Taira was drawn as a bishie instead.
Seriously? Glad the anime version decided to speed up her involvement with the plot.
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2012-11-11, 03:43 | Link #424 |
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Nah, Taira is a scumbag prob as implied in the flashback and not on Shiki's level of being bad and being attractive to females imo. No positive qualities or implied or in your face domination tendencies were added to his character. You might want to consider suffering thru a few episodes of Togainu no Chi to see an example of how the attractive bad boys are done in BL/yaoi.
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2012-11-11, 04:17 | Link #426 | |
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It goes back to society views and in this situation otaku views on sex. This was in the news and it involved a celebrity group. That means that it went viral on Facebook. Because they were raped, they can be considered as damaged second hand goods. Some people would think that they asked for it. Stuff like that Teen stuff that you take for granted like socializing on Facebook is cut off for them. Dating is now an issue as they prob are going to be in psych therapy for recovery. Here's something to read. http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/cross_...me1issue1/gray ('The influence of rape myths.." section is particularly enlightening.) http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2012...ape-sexuality/ http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/health...ies/index.html http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...GirlIsNotASlut (Reading the first link will explain the basis for this trope.)
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2012-11-11, 15:11 | Link #429 | |
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And no, I was not trying to sugarcoat anything.
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2012-11-11, 15:36 | Link #431 |
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I'm not quite sure WHAT they're researching.
The first article is quite long. I read parts of it, skimmed others. But all it seems to talk about is more twisted things about male dominance and women for some stupid reason not standing up for themselves. |
2012-11-11, 18:56 | Link #432 |
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Dengar, you seem to have a serious problem understanding why these girls did this. If at this point, you STILL can't have an inkling at this point, then it's not going to happen. I suggest dropping it, for everyone here.
Also, as someone who has *CENSORED FOR PRIVACY* let me say if given the chance to send someone away forever, I'd take it. As for WHAT they're "researching", that's a spoiler, which can easily answered via PM if you want.
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2012-11-12, 19:06 | Link #433 | |
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Ok, there's one last question, after that I promise I'll try to leave well enough alone: Why didn't those girls use that thing, to, you know, banish the rapists rather than the girl who did nothing wrong? Is the girl who did nothing wrong worse than the rapists? Is this what happens when you take a male-dominated world to its logical conclusion?... I'm sorry, am I -really- that weird to be really touched by this severe misdirection of hatred? The ones who committed the crime get to go scot-free because they're dudes, but the girl who, from a certain twisted point of view, and even then, only because she didn't know it would happen, allowed the crime to happen gets the punishment? Am I really that weird to think this is unfair? |
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2012-11-12, 19:18 | Link #434 |
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The guys were probably in jail or something by then since they were shown to be in police custody. I don't see it as an issue of gender either, because if Himeko had been a boy in the same chain of events, then they would have written her (his) name down as well.
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2012-11-12, 19:32 | Link #435 |
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The sempai and her cronies were alluded (in the manga anyway; there's a throwaway line during the scene where Himeko is confronted in the rain) to have been arrested and in custody. The reason SHE got voted to the island is because, as far as the victimized girls are concerned, is that SHE didn't get what she deserved for her part, unintentional as it is, in what happened.
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2012-11-12, 20:12 | Link #436 | |
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I think you missunderstood what the article was about. It was about how the Japanese society impacted how rape was handled in the legal system. The short answer is very poorly. The victim actually has to prove that they are not only virtous and didn't want sex, but also that they resisted sufficiently to make that clear to the perp. This means that the victim is the one on trial. There are more bad implications then that, but that is one relevant here. Now, that doesn't in any way make Himiko guilty or actually deserving her fate to be sent to hell island, it just explaines why the girls had to move towns and such. |
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2012-11-12, 20:31 | Link #437 | |
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I don't think that the hatred was misdirected.
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2012-11-13, 00:00 | Link #438 |
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So you seriously blame Himiko for what happened? Being neighbor with a pop bamd means you deserve to be banished somewhere? It's pretty obvious that Himiko was rather unintersted in the pop band, but her friends were are giddy to meet them, so who do you think were the driving force behind it all? It's pretty obvious that it was her friends that begged Himiko to set them up with a meeting with the pop band and not Himiko that dragged them there.
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2012-11-13, 03:03 | Link #439 | |
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Anyway, I apologize for not seeing things the way you guys do. Maybe the idea just doesn't click. I just honestly believe that this retribution is wrong, and I react strongly in the face of unfairness. And I really apologize if I offend anyone by saying this, but.. I'm not religious, but I still hope hell has a special place reserved for these girls. |
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2012-11-13, 07:20 | Link #440 | |
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That said, of course you're correct that it was unfair of those girls to put down Himiko's name. That's not in doubt. I think what you don't understand is that it's actually quite common for people to blame people for things which weren't their fault - or for which they weren't the ones most at fault. People can get pretty weird, you know? For an example of how weird people can get, I'll give the example of two people I know in real life. I'll call them A and B. A, entirely through her own stupidity and carelessness, nearly got her entire family killed. The only reason they weren't killed is that person B saved them all. But in the process, person B was seriously and dramatically injured. Were A and her family grateful? Did they say thank you, or send flowers? No. While B was (more or less literally) bandaged head to foot and immobile for many weeks on end, A and her family started to do things like dump trash on B's lawn. A started to hate B and think that B deserved to be hurt rather than have to accept that she was to blame for B's horrific injuries. It's a known psychological thing that happens sometimes. It's not the same situation as the Btooom! girls, but sometimes when bad things happen, blame isn't assigned rationally. In the case of Himiko's friend, maybe Himiko was the most convenient person to blame. She was the only one to escape, and was the one who arranged for them all to meet those guys, so it looks like her friends were overcome with jealousy and bitterness. Which doesn't make it right or fair for them to want her to disappear... Why on Earth would Himiko be more deserving of hatred than the rapists? |
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