(L) New Evangelion Project: Rebuild of Evangelion [Movies 1 & 2]

[d-one]

it's strange that you guys keep the bad profile for shinji.

If you see his story within the story it's not strange that he become like that

Spoiler for shinji:

just after he makes a friend his friends start do disappear one by one. Touji, Rei, Kaworu, Asuka. and almost all of it was he the one to blame eventough he didn't want it.
He never felt family's love since his mother disappear and his father abandoned him.
It's no wonder he became like that.
and for that, I like him cause he is really normal. just like the people in real life.

[leongsh]

Originally Posted by d-one

it's strange that you guys keep the bad profile for shinji.

It often baffles me when people are quick to label him as wimpy, whiny, emo, etc, without taking into the background of his life and how he has been thrust into the situation he is in. Most everyone expect the hero to be cool, smart, handsome/dashing, strong, cocky, adventurous and Shinji must have thrown them for a loop for being the reverse of their expectations. Look closely and you will see Shinji has been designed to be like the general description of the anime otaku kids in Japan - introverted, submissive, out-of-place, feeling unloved. He is a very interesting and well-realised character which has a bit more reality and believability compared to many of the cookie cutter "heroes/heroines" we get in anime.

As mentioned in earlier posts, the character of Shinji is a subversion. This subversion is a masterstroke to puncture stereotypes then and introduce the hidden strengths that some of these outcasts in life could have. Imagine the world being saved by someone that most teenagers look down on as the easily bullied whiny emo wimp. This "wimp" goes through hell, barely holds on to his sanity and manages to get it done but at great cost to himself - in certain ways, selfless, and also having the courage to endure - key elements for a hero and an unwilling one at that. In all likelihood, none of his critics would have been able to get through even half of the harrowing situations he experienced. Must have really rankled some people's chains - could all this loathing be disguised envy?

[Tormenk]

The theory of it being set after EoE does have hints sprinkled throughout the movie but that's for another time.

Shinji in the anime series and the subsequent movies went through some ups and a lot of downs. He was picking himself up in a positive direction before a chain of events came in successive sequence. Those events proved overwhelming to him and he lost his courage to continue moving on. By the time he had stood up once again (somewhat), it was already too late for changes. That's how his situation is in my eyes, a normal boy who was brought down by events in life as he made his way through it. It is sad that things ended the way they did but that's history.

However, with the changes in the new movie(s) I'm hoping for a change in a more positive direction as the story is retold here. Of course I'm not hoping things to be all fine and dandy for the rest of the story but I do wish for a more positive conclusion in the end. ()


Btw, the DVDs should be already out if I'm not wrong. Any fixed dates for the distribution into rest of Asia yet?

[leongsh]

Originally Posted by Tormenk

Btw, the DVDs should be already out if I'm not wrong.

Yes, the R2J DVDs are out. I received my R2J Limited Edition DVD set yesterday

Originally Posted by Tormenk

Any fixed dates for the distribution into rest of Asia yet?

No idea. It is confirmed that there will be an R3TW (Region 3 Taiwan) release - check Proware's (the Taiwanese licensor) site for the movie (link) for any updates.

[Ottocycle]

Originally Posted by Tormenk

Btw, the DVDs should be already out if I'm not wrong. Any fixed dates for the distribution into rest of Asia yet?

Originally Posted by leongsh

Yes, the R2J DVDs are out. I received my R2J Limited Edition DVD set yesterday


No idea. It is confirmed that there will be an R3TW (Region 3 Taiwan) release - check Proware's (the Taiwanese licensor) site for the movie (link) for any updates.

As for us, Tormenk, Innoform's brought the movie to screens here faster than any other country aside from South Korea and Japan. Given that I saw Vexille DVDs at that CD/DVD retailer at The Cathay being sold barely three months after its screening here (I saw them 17/3, Vexille premiered 28/12/07), we only have two more months or so to wait. Not to mention with those packed theatres for 2 weeks, they'd be either nuts, or legally bounded not to release those DVDs here.

[Hagi]

Originally Posted by leongsh

Yes, the R2J DVDs are out. I received my R2J Limited Edition DVD set yesterday


No idea. It is confirmed that there will be an R3TW (Region 3 Taiwan) release - check Proware's (the Taiwanese licensor) site for the movie (link) for any updates.

If i may ask what is actually in the Limited Edition? I've been trying to decide whether to get the Standard or LE but can't seem to find much info about the LE.

[B.K.]

Originally Posted by Hagi

If i may ask what is actually in the Limited Edition? I've been trying to decide whether to get the Standard or LE but can't seem to find much info about the LE.

The biggest thing is that the LE includes Evangelion 1.01. The regular edition doesn't.

[leongsh]

Originally Posted by Hagi

If i may ask what is actually in the Limited Edition? I've been trying to decide whether to get the Standard or LE but can't seem to find much info about the LE.

Let's see... what comes with the Limited Edition are the main feature DVD, the extras DVD, a multi-page foldout which provides info regarding the characters, the movie, and the extras provided, AND a few frames from the film reel of the movie with a simple cardboard stand for it. Of course, there's a small little case/box to wrap it all up. The DVDs are housed in a duo-fold digipak - the left side sleeve holds the foldout and the black cardboard frame (with the film reel snip contained within), the main DVD in the centre slot and the extras DVD in the right slot. Ah.. what the heck:

Spoiler for A snapshot of the digipak contents:

[Hagi]

Thanks alot definately seems worth it.

I was just about to order it from amazon.jp but it seems it's only on the marketplace now. DX

[TinyRedLeaf]

Originally Posted by leongsh

It often baffles me when people are quick to label him as wimpy, whiny, emo, etc, without taking into the background of his life and how he has been thrust into the situation he is in. Most everyone expect the hero to be cool, smart, handsome/dashing, strong, cocky, adventurous and Shinji must have thrown them for a loop for being the reverse of their expectations.

Don't get me wrong. I do understand that Shinji is an iconoclastic character who subverts the usual hero stereotypes in shounen anime. But that is also precisely why he is very unlikeable in many ways. Interesting does not mean you have to like him, you know. Viewers are reacting to him exactly the way Hideo Anno wanted them to do so. Shinji wouldn't be so "memorable" if he weren't the "King of Emos".

[Xcomp]

What scene is your film strip from, Leongsh? Still waiting for mine before watching it >_<

Check out these ads for the LE DVD in Akiba

"I must buy this! I must buy this! I must buy this!"
Original line: "I mustn't run away! I mustn't run away! I mustn't run away!"


"Will you buy this?"
Original line: "Will you get off?"


"I think... This is my third copy.", "Just buy it"
Original line:"I think... I must be the third.", "Just smile"

Originally Posted by Hagi

Thanks alot definately seems worth it.

I was just about to order it from amazon.jp but it seems it's only on the marketplace now. DX

Both Play-Asia and YesAsia have the DVD too so you could always order from them and save the high handling and delivery fee Amazon JP charges now for international postage ^^;

[Hagi]

Decided to get it from HMV Japan was only about £29 incl shipping which is miles better than the 40 plus i'd have to pay from either PA or YA. Add to the fact we have to pay ridiculous custom charges it was the cheapest best option for me.

It said i should get it by wednesday so i'll have to hold out from watching the subs till then xD

Thanks for the help!

[The Undertaker]

I'm too convinced that this is actually the sequel to EVA and I really need to hear people's opinions based on my proof~

Spoiler for Do Not Click Unless You Watched The Movie:

The evidence is right there in the first few minutes of the movie-
The sea is Red just in the end of End of Evangelion. That's definitely LCL.



It can't be that its reflecting off the sky cause the sky is still blue. Here's screenshots from the original series and the movie:



This image has an etching of a body on the ground. This could've been one of the original EVA series that plummeted back to Earth at the end of evangelion. Same pose no?


When Shinji woke up in the hospital, he dreamed of Lilith coming at him. I'm pretty damn convinced that that's Lilith. How can he dream about her unless he was reborn from after the Third Impact?


Another big clue is definitely Kaworu's awakening and his lines -
"The Third again, huh?"
"You never change"
"I look forward to meeting you, Ikari Shinji-kun"


Key word is Again. And he already knows Shinji's name.

Also, I know this is a bit crazy, but if you listen to the Original Soundtrack for Evangelion 1.0 You Are (NOT) Alone, in the track 10. Sagisu Shirou - Showdown, if you listen closely to the lyrics, you would hear -
"The 2nd chance we're losing"
"This is the end of Eva"
It might not have anything to do with it but I personally consider that evidence as well.

With all this evidence so far, I'm pretty convinced that this is movie is showing the Rebuilding of the planet after the Third Impact. All we need now is for Shinji to remember his past self and then we'll have ourselves a animated version of Studio Kimigabuchi’s Evangelion RE-TAKE, which in my opinion, would be perfect.

Please let me know what you think of my evidence and if it's believable.

[leongsh]

While the evidence provided is speculative and probable of a post-EoE world that has restarted, I'm not going to speculate and let the continuing movies do the talking, so to speak. We'll know better by the end of it all.

[Hypernova]

Originally Posted by The Undertaker

I'm too convinced that this is actually the sequel to EVA and I really need to hear people's opinions based on my proof~

Spoiler for Do Not Click Unless You Watched The Movie:

The evidence is right there in the first few minutes of the movie-
The sea is Red just in the end of End of Evangelion. That's definitely LCL.



It can't be that its reflecting off the sky cause the sky is still blue. Here's screenshots from the original series and the movie:



This image has an etching of a body on the ground. This could've been one of the original EVA series that plummeted back to Earth at the end of evangelion. Same pose no?


When Shinji woke up in the hospital, he dreamed of Lilith coming at him. I'm pretty damn convinced that that's Lilith. How can he dream about her unless he was reborn from after the Third Impact?


Another big clue is definitely Kaworu's awakening and his lines -
"The Third again, huh?"
"You never change"
"I look forward to meeting you, Ikari Shinji-kun"


Key word is Again. And he already knows Shinji's name.

Also, I know this is a bit crazy, but if you listen to the Original Soundtrack for Evangelion 1.0 You Are (NOT) Alone, in the track 10. Sagisu Shirou - Showdown, if you listen closely to the lyrics, you would hear -
"The 2nd chance we're losing"
"This is the end of Eva"
It might not have anything to do with it but I personally consider that evidence as well.

With all this evidence so far, I'm pretty convinced that this is movie is showing the Rebuilding of the planet after the Third Impact. All we need now is for Shinji to remember his past self and then we'll have ourselves a animated version of Studio Kimigabuchi’s Evangelion RE-TAKE, which in my opinion, would be perfect.

Please let me know what you think of my evidence and if it's believable.

That's a very solid theory IMO, I kept wondering about that mark of a giant on the ground.

[Gsus]

I'm not entirely convinced... yet.

Spoiler for Movie speculation:

If I remember correctly, in the episode of the original series when Ikari Gendou and Fuyutsuki go to Antarctica, the sea was also red. And, as we see in the Rebuild, Angels bleed copious amounts of blood. Now imagine how much would be spilt if you'd reduce the Giant of Light to it's embryonal form: quite a lot I imagine.

And in an interview about the Rebuild, Anno stated that he wanted "old hard-core fans and even fans who just know Eva from pachinko to view it as a single (i.e. stand-alone) movie." Newtype Japan 2006 http://www.evaotaku.com/html/neweva.html

And I think that's just Rei flying towards the screen just before Shinji wakes up for the first time in the hospital. It might be a residual effect of piloting Unit 01 since...

Spoiler for Unit 01 and Rei spoiler:

Unit 01 contains Yui's soul, whose voice we hear in the first dream sequence, which slowly turns into Rei's voice. Rei of course being Yui's clone.

Now, we've still got a few problems:
One: Adam is number 1, Lilith is number 2, Sachiel is number 4. Number 3 is absent, though it could be Moon Angel, which would explain the red splash on the moon (note that the Moon Angel is, like Lilith, missing a few limbs).
Two: Misato calls the Angel in the basement "Lilith". I checked and in the series she mistakes it for Adam. Are we in for another mix-up or... Could the Giant of Light (the cause for Second Impact) NOT be Adam?
Three: If you look closely at "Lilith's" mask, you can see it's different from the one in the series. If you look at Moon Angel, you can see the mask from the series on it's face.

Now I've got a different theory:

The Giant of Light is not Adam. Adam is on the moon and Seele is using it's progeny to fulfill the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Kaoru has been bumped up to number 6. If you look closely at the scene when Kaoru wakes up, you see 4 caskets that've already been opened. Which would account for the Angels we've already seen (Lilith, etc).
Now who's the Giant of Light, the one that caused Second Impact? It could be Unit 01. In the series we've seen how important Unit 01 was for Seele's plans.

There are still some flaws in this theory: How would Kaoru already know Shinji? Why does Kaoru say "The Third again, huh?" when he's referring to Shinji?

Of course, there's always the craziest possibility of all:

Shinji is the Third Angel, and the Third Children, making him a third again.

[Ransom]

Does anyone know what Rei's book in the hospital scene was? The angel (obv obv) illustration underneath the text looked kinda like a Gustav Dore, which leads me to suspect that it's Paradise Lost.

Also, has anyone managed to recognize the arcana on the back of the SEELE monoliths? My crappy german translating has got the text on the front down to "Something something directed God, as we arranged," but I can't find any definitions for the first two words.

[Kisuke06]

So, was the movie translated? I cant find the sub anywhere. >.<

[Ransom]

Originally Posted by Kisuke06

So, was the movie translated? I cant find the sub anywhere. >.<

Try the front page of the website with which this forum is associated.

[Xcomp]

Originally Posted by Hagi

Decided to get it from HMV Japan was only about £29 incl shipping which is miles better than the 40 plus i'd have to pay from either PA or YA. Add to the fact we have to pay ridiculous custom charges it was the cheapest best option for me.

It said i should get it by wednesday so i'll have to hold out from watching the subs till then xD

Thanks for the help!

That's pretty much what I got it for from PA. I have yet to get charged for the games and DVDs I import with PA and YA.

The only time I ever got charged for customs and handling was when I ordered a Full Metal Panic DVD from Amazon JP and I had to pay £15 extra for it... That was nasty.

Originally Posted by The Undertaker

I'm too convinced that this is actually the sequel to EVA and I really need to hear people's opinions based on my proof~

...

Please let me know what you think of my evidence and if it's believable.

Haven't watched it yet but as far as I know, Rebuild is supposed to be the show re-written and improved in quality using the latest technology while preserving the original sources at the same time to meet the demands of the "new age". That means for example using new 3D CG effects and attempting to amplify the impact of the dramatic scenes. The official site also states it's not a sequel.

Of course, maybe 10 or 20 years from now, they'll do it again and say, "An all new Evangelion experience!"