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View Poll Results: Aquarion EVOL - Episode 20 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 7 | 18.92% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 7 | 18.92% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 32.43% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 13.51% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 10.81% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 5.41% | |
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2012-05-16, 02:21 | Link #101 | |
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I don't really see strong feelings coming from Mikono because of the bad writting, but I ackowledge they are probably supposed to be there. The point still stands. Shushu has been abusing Amata the same since day one, while he should have taken a stronger hating to him as the story progressed. it didn't happen this way and it's another point making it look not really consistent. People would not be scratching their head over it if it had been well written. But it's a small point easy to ignore at least. Last edited by Zuul; 2012-05-16 at 02:40. |
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2012-05-16, 04:37 | Link #102 |
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Again, it doesn't work like that. If Shushu is an actual animal (that it seems to be, what gender is it, anyway...), then it must have a mind of its own. If we accept this, then its whole behavior makes sense. Shushu attacked Amata in the gondola when Amata put his hands on her shoulders to steady her. Shushu could've interpreted this as an actual physical attack, or it could've been simply a jealous/protective reaction toward a guy touching Mikono for whatever reason (didn't help that Mikono was all blushy and stuff). Either version would be in line with its later behavior, both toward Amata and everyone else.
Obviously it would've helped if this was established earlier, but I think ep 19 made it clear that they'd been building up to this "surprise" revelation all this time. More and more it seems to me that they were deliberately trying to make Mikono's feelings look vague (which is pretty much the only sensible explanation for a number of things), so it would be a) more in line with her personal development that we're seeing now, and b) would keep people guessing. And it actually would've worked if there was more attention paid to her blah blah blah I think we've been through this enough times. Last edited by kuromitsu; 2012-05-16 at 05:16. |
2012-05-16, 07:38 | Link #103 | |||
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*** That would explain shushu constant behavior toward Amata. (I'm assuming it because I never payed much attention to Shushu ). **Probably they are really aiming to an Amagami SS/YnS format where you can follow your favorite route without being bothered by another
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2012-05-16, 09:25 | Link #104 | ||||||
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But in another way, it just makes the weaknesses within the love quadrangle (and with Amata/Mikono) that much more painfully obvious, due to sheer contrast. Also, if you did virtually nothing else with Jin/Yunoha (aside from your obligatory flashback moments in a big finale, say) and simply resolved Andy/MIX one way or another, it would still be good. Basically, this is fine, it's "taken care of", the writers can pat themselves on the back on this. Now it's time to try to sort out the love quadrangle. That means making a choice, imo. If Okada is going to drag it out like this, then at least leave some real doubt in the viewer's mind as to who's going to end up with who (and this is ironically something Okada is really good at when she wants to be). Then the inherent drama/suspense within the love quadrangle would more than make up for how no pairing within it comes off as consistently well as Andy/MIX. If Okada isn't going to have a real romantic conflict, then start developing Amata/Mikono already. Right now, we're just being teased. It's not even a troll (which at least could be interesting or funny), it's just pure teasing. Quote:
I think that this is Mikono's way of basically telling the audience "I'm going to romantically confess to Amata next time I see him". Either that, or "I'm going to force the romance issue with Amata, and make him confess to me." I'll be pretty shocked if that's not the implied meaning behind what she said to Amata. It's basically a wink from Okada to Amata/Mikono fans. The thing is that this isn't how people go about developing their attraction towards someone in real life. Nobody says or hints "I'm going to confess to you after I get back from this long journey to find somebody". They either actually confess before they leave, or they privately plan to confess after they get back. So what I think would be better here is if we were let in on Mikono's thoughts to confess to Amata (presuming that this is what Mikono means). That would give the audience something concrete to sink their teeth into, while still setting things up the way that I think Okada wants to. But I guess it's also possible that Mikono's "I have to talk to you about stuff later" could be a classic death flag for her or Amata... Quote:
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But 3 good romance development episodes out of 20 leaves an awful lot to be desired. The romantic alternatives being tragically weak actually only exacerbates matters, leaving people wanting all around - Leaving people wanting for both straight-up romance and compelling romantic conflict. Like I said to Vena, this would have been better off if the anime had made a clear choice between the two. As is, I can't help but wonder if one of Okada/Kawamori wanted a serious love triangle, and if the other one wanted straight-up romance, and they settled on this messy compromise where you don't get the best of either world.
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2012-05-16, 11:34 | Link #105 | ||||
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It is a countdown to a countdown that we've been counting down on since the first episode. Its just blatant padding out of the drama angle such that Kagura has time to be a character again, Zessica's pure love can get resolved either by her death or death (let's be honest here, they're going for her dying or something just as bad). They added the scene just to remind the audience that, you know, Mikono loves Amata... just as the episode prior to it took the time to remind us that Mikono and Cayenne were siblings with *surprise dad*. If you write something in a convincing manner, you don't need to *remind* the audience about it. (Of note, this is under the assumption that they are playing this straight. Deconstruction tend to look sloppy until resolved.) Quote:
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Aside from that, it just plain unrealistic and annoying to me. IF she likes him, why the hell can she not just say it? Why does she need to goad Amata into confessing or delay her own confession if she knows what she's going to say? As I said before, she wasn't going to find Kagura so that *issue* is of no concern, and the scene that follows very clearly states where Mikono stands on her feelings towards Amata. So... why? This just begs the thought of plot contrivance if not for the simple reason that, in any real situation and given their circumstances, Amata may well go off and die or not return. Its a war. They just lost a comrade. What does Mikono think her teammates, who she explicitly differentiates herself from, are going to do? Sit around in the safety of their rooms, picking their noses, until she triumphantly returns with Fudo? There was a good chance this past episode that Amata may well have been entrapped by his mother and Izumo's words. Izumo, as he demonstrated, could have easily grounded Amata indefinitely and even had him killed. It's all just crap if we're meant to be taking this straight. If nothing else, Mikono's actions are getting a textbook juxtaposition treatment from Zessica who's actually shown giving a damn.
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2012-05-16, 12:37 | Link #107 | |||
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The issue is, like I wrote several posts back, knowing where to draw the line. It's about the writers knowing when they've focused enough on the supporting cast and need to make their main characters the main characters again. It's fine for a two cour anime to have two or three episodes where the main characters are shunted into a supporting role while the supporting cast gets to shine. It's when this happens for four, five, six, etc... episodes at a time that it becomes a real issue, like it now is in Aquarion EVOL, imo. If somebody had only watched Aquarion EVOL episodes 17 through 20, they'd swear that Andy was the male lead. I like Andy, but that's probably not the way it should be. Amata was clearly established as the male lead back in the first two episodes, and this anime seems to forget that sometimes. But anyway, when talking about JinXYunoha, I mainly mean the romance itself. Andy/Mix has been better incorporated into the broader narrative, you're right about that. Quote:
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I'd just rather hear Mikono's thoughts confirming what we all suspect.
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2012-05-16, 13:14 | Link #108 | ||
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Mikono's limbo climaxed at Ep. 15, was mentioned in Ep. 16... and then disappeared entirely along with Kagura (poof). They've recently started building on Mikono towards Amata more actively but the method is questionable. The realization/revelation with Cayenne, as it was presented, concerning Amata felt utterly bizarre with a reaction from Mikono as if she hadn't realized it. Her subsequent action in Ep. 19 continues to push on this same, somewhat, *taking for granted* build up because, as I mentioned, the action (even if its a staple of fiction, but usually used for a bittersweet conclusion or deconstruction of certain tropes) assumes that nothing will happen to Amata which is, much like her logic in Ep. 16, just plain stupid or verging on being able to see the future because of *plot*. This is what annoys me. Contrast this show with Mashifony for a recent drama done exceptionally well; this just feels like crap and very little is clear, even in retrospect. Quote:
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2012-05-17, 02:56 | Link #109 |
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Just to break the current thread of discussion.
Ok. So, that's the whole Curse of the Eve plaguing Altair, and explaining as to why Altareans are abducting to find strong Iguras who can resist the curse. Alicia was able to resist the curse, although from Izumo's dialogue I understood that she's been left in a frail condition which requires her body to be encased within the capsule. Spoiler:
- You're wrong, my name is.... MIXY The 'X' and 'Y' at the end of the name pretty much sums up the chromosomal connotation to expose for real the effects of the curse it has on females. NO! Mixx is now Mixy; naturally-induced, biological sex change due to the curse in the environment. Hahaha! Andy, you perv! Now, you won't be able to do your first (union) with the girl that you loved. His gal is now a guy; kiss good-bye to those "big bangs" |
2012-05-17, 17:36 | Link #110 |
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>Vena
I see where you're coming from but I don't agree, not on all points. To be honest currently I lack the capacity to argue - but I have a feeling we're approaching this from very different points of view, so there would be no point, anyway. Let's just see what happens. |
2012-05-19, 21:56 | Link #111 |
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You folks know what's really bugging me? Ever since January, I've been referring to Mix as "Mixy" due to my hilarious habit of nicknaming characters, and now I see in this episode 20 that the.... Man-Mix calls itself Mixy.....
For awhile now I've had this feeling that those folks involved in anime production are keeping tabs on this forum, that can't be true, right? I know I've been involved in the anime community for awhile, but this is just going too far now Seriously, a lot of things I've been saying on this forum came true in one way or another, not even changing the way I predict helps anymore How am I supposed to call her now? I've always known her as Mixy, and now I have to change the way I name her? I called her Mixy first, you hear me Aquarion Writer? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY And what kind of logic is that, adding a "y" to make it a guys name? Don't get me started on the chromosome thing, we're talking about names here. And I can't think of any dual gender names like Alex-Alexis with the guy having a "y" at the end To be honest, I'm not sure how to accept this series anymore. I mean, I was in it for the Girl-Mix, not this...... flat Mixy How cruel can it get? I used to be in this series for Zessi-chan too, but like other members have mentioned, she has become un-Zessica like of late. Guess I should hope for a pantyshot of Crea. Whatever I say seems to come true anyways so why not hope for something tasty . Like, how about Zessica taking a bath, that would be nice, since she's now Queen of the big ones now |
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