2010-07-08, 03:04 | Link #2981 |
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You mean in the character TIPS? The answer is no. By the time Battler reaches the balcony George's portrait is the only one affected. The game shows it as Kinzo is dead later, but only after Battler finds him in the boiler room. And I think that's actually in the Tea party. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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2010-07-08, 03:40 | Link #2982 |
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I see.
So then,how was the body hid?Beacause The Ushiromiya family were inside Kinzo's room!I'm not really sure if this was the problem in question in this EP because I haven't re read it In a while,so I may just be repeating a question.
Oh,and how did the body reach all the way to the basement?The way knzo was burned may have been a fantasy scene,but it doesn't nececarily mean where it happens was forged too. |
2010-07-08, 08:13 | Link #2984 |
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After extensive meditation on the subject, I have concluded that only two practical possibilities to burn Kinzo's body during the game exist:
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2010-07-08, 08:18 | Link #2985 | |
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If you are talking about Kyrie, Krauss, Shannon, Kanon and Nanjo, they weren't in Kinzo's room, but in some kind of underground room below the Kuwadorian. And even then that's just where they were shown to be trapped in a magic scene, it doesn't necessarily mean that they were actually there. As for EP5 every red about his position that were said by Bernkastel have absolutely no value because it was specified that they referred to a "living Kinzo". and a living Kinzo doesn't exist anywhere. The adults may think they have checked the whole mansion but without detective authority there will always exist the chance that they missed some place. Additionally: they didn't check the whole guesthouse they didn't check the shed they didn't check the chapel they didn't check the underground tunnel and the rooms connected to it they didn't check Kuwadorian They didn't check the existence of any other "place x" that could exist in the island In conclusions there are plenty of places where Kinzo and all the other missing bodies could have gone.
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2010-07-08, 08:20 | Link #2986 |
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As far as trying to figure out what Lambda is up to, it's hard to say. Actually, I'm not so sure it is really clear what Bern is trying to do either. I think that this point I'm somewhat convinced the two are working together towards some end neither could accomplish on their own.
In regards to Kinzo's body, I think if we knew that for any of the episodes it'd probably clear up a lot of issues. :< |
2010-07-08, 14:17 | Link #2987 |
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So, after replaying the second twilight in EP1, I was reminded that in the first 4 episodes, only what Battler sees is valid.
So, I made a theory about how the second twilight can have been done.. Spoiler for Second Twilgiht (EP1):
I have not found any conflicting red, but if anyone has anything that contradicts this theory, please tell. And I apologize if this is "widely known" by now. |
2010-07-08, 15:01 | Link #2988 |
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Actually only the reds referring to Natsuhi's room mention a "living Kinzo". The rest say "Kinzo doesn't exist here".
And like I said those reds are probably likely Dlanor's "I will not allow such a thing to exist" reds. Only they're saying "I will not allow Kinzo to exist anywhere, but in Natsuhi's room" because they want to frame her.
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2010-07-08, 16:05 | Link #2991 | |
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My theory doesn't change though, since we already know we can't trust their views, since they have witnessed magic. But you are absolutely right. |
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2010-07-08, 16:15 | Link #2992 | |
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2010-07-08, 16:59 | Link #2994 |
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I don't think this actually confirms that 'what the detective sees is always true', however.
He can't falsify his own point of view, yes, he can't lie to us directly, but that doesn't mean that he can't be fooled or tricked by something that appears to be what it's not. Unless you want to say that he actually did meet with a blonde Western woman named Beatrice... |
2010-07-08, 22:09 | Link #2996 |
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I also found interesting thoughts from Sayo.When she's breaking the mirror.I always thought this scene was a bit shady,so I'm rereading EP2.
Spoiler for Sayo thinkin':
Not that interesting,but still raises some thoughts. Wait.I just kept reading and after reading things about her life beyond the mirror yada yada she says this. Spoiler for This girl's a hard thinker:
Dang Sayo,you mad huh? What is she really complaining about though?I'm not understanding it at all.It's tough to be furniture,but they've done it for so long, starting from child hood, I just sort of figured it couldn't be that bad. Maybe it's something else? Last edited by Disz; 2010-07-08 at 22:34. |
2010-07-09, 05:27 | Link #2997 |
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Am i the only one that thinks that the mirror scene just mean that Shannon killed someone? Kinzo or Kanon maybe. Afterall breaking a mirror is clearly an analogy of breaking her fate. As we know from the dialogue of Beatrice at the of ep4 it is possible that Kinzo abused "her" (assuming she is Shannon, witch to be honest, i'm not so sure of) and maybe she killed him to free herself from him. Do we know exactly how Kinzo died? If i recall, Nanjo just says that he died peacefully, but as the body was hidden, no one ever performed a proper autopsy.
Or she may have killed Kanon (or her other personality, or whatever he is), but i don't want to go into a Shkannon theory, witch i don't support. Regarding the detective perspective, Knox Rule just say that he can't lie about what he sees, and he can't hide what he discovers. But he is still a human so is perspective may still be wrong due to misunderstanding, personal interpretation and state of mind (think of Keiichi in Onikakushi-hen) |
2010-07-09, 06:01 | Link #2998 |
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I think there is a huge time difference.But i'm probably wrong.If anyone, the only one Shannon could kill is Kinzo.Though I doubt it.There has to be something else. X.x I'm probably thinking too much,but I just know I'm on the right track.Something here has to be missing.
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2010-07-09, 08:11 | Link #2999 | |
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2010-07-09, 08:15 | Link #3000 | |
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