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C.A. · 2006-06-12, 18:20

Yes positrons, protons, photon etc are beam weapons. They are particle beams

monster · 2006-06-12, 18:39

I believe the decrease in number of DRAGOON units is also to help more people be able to use them effectively, in addition to the computer aid system.

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

It's got Mirror coating, which reflects beams. I haven't heard anything about it being any good against kinetic weapons like railguns.

But it also has that shield system which could protect from missiles. And if it's like the Destroy's shield system, it could also protect from rail guns.

Pepperidge · 2006-06-12, 18:48

I think it would've been better if Rey had piloted the Providence ZAKU instead of the Legend.

Nvis · 2006-06-12, 20:18

I liked how Legend took out those Destroys, though (made it sooo easy).

With the two big dragoons that can easily pass through Destroy's shield.

WarpObscura · 2006-06-12, 21:45

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Originally Posted by C.A.

Yes positrons, protons, photon etc are beam weapons. They are particle beams

Correct me if I am wrong, because I probably am since I have not watched Seed in some time...
Were the members of the TSA not against a bombardment of GENESIS with their ship-based guns because it had multiple layers of PSA? If PSA is useless against beam weapons, then why would beam bombardment with capital ship arsenals be out of the question? I mean, if GENESIS was armoured UC-style with thick amounts of real armour ala The O, I would understand. PSA, on the other hand, does jacksquat against beams and positrons, so why not just shoot at it? I cannot remember the reason, please

C.A. · 2006-06-12, 22:07

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Originally Posted by WarpObscura

Correct me if I am wrong, because I probably am since I have not watched Seed in some time...
Were the members of the TSA not against a bombardment of GENESIS with their ship-based guns because it had multiple layers of PSA? If PSA is useless against beam weapons, then why would beam bombardment with capital ship arsenals be out of the question? I mean, if GENESIS was armoured UC-style with thick amounts of real armour ala The O, I would understand. PSA, on the other hand, does jacksquat against beams and positrons, so why not just shoot at it? I cannot remember the reason, please

There was no reason, it was plot armour lol

I think its been mentioned many times in this forum that Genesis's Phase Shift was so strong or at such large scales, it rendered even beam attacks useless.

RX-78GP04G Gerbera · 2006-06-13, 01:46

Well, like you said, it could've had multiple layers, thus multiplying the resisting strength of the Phase Shift. Or it just had a much larger power source to make it much stronger (which it must have)

srb · 2006-06-13, 05:56

If I'm not mistaken, weren't the beams defeated by the giant magnetic field on the GENESIS armor?

Strike Mk.II · 2006-06-13, 18:52

Like some of the tech in CE we dont exactly know how Phase Shift armour works.
All we know is that depending on how much power Phase Shift Armour is given, its strength can vary from providing protection from shell-firing artillery or melee weapons, all the way to also providing protection from beam weapons and positron weapons.

AlphaDragoon · 2006-06-13, 19:11

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Originally Posted by SNT1

cant underestimate legend though...I mean the idiot just stood there and took fire; before the war of the words SF and Legend was pretty even matched (with SF having the upper hand at times)

Strike Freedom had the upper hand at times...? All I saw the entire fight was:

1. Kira starting to punk out Shinn, Rey breaks off from Athrun and comes up.

2. Beam slashing, Rey reveals he's Rau's clone, SF dodging Legend's beams.

3. Kira picking off DRAGOONS left and right, then some more beam locking.

4. "You are yourself...not Rau."

5. GGPO RAINBOW GUNS V2.

Did they change something in Final Plus? I didn't actually watch that one. But the fight in the original ep. 50 was pretty one-sided...I mean, he didn't even take out any of Kira's DRAGOONS, let alone damage him in any way.

megakim · 2006-06-13, 19:26

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Originally Posted by srb

If I'm not mistaken, weren't the beams defeated by the giant magnetic field on the GENESIS armor?

iirc a technician at Yachin said something about the absorbtion rate when the beams hit so that leads me to believe it hit directly. Speaking of which, just how did regular missiles destroy neo genesis? It didn't come with phase shift?

kct · 2006-06-13, 19:33

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

Strike Freedom had the upper hand at times...? All I saw the entire fight was:

1. Kira starting to punk out Shinn, Rey breaks off from Athrun and comes up.

2. Beam slashing, Rey reveals he's Rau's clone, SF dodging Legend's beams.

3. Kira picking off DRAGOONS left and right, then some more beam locking.

4. "You are yourself...not Rau."

5. GGPO RAINBOW GUNS V2.

Did they change something in Final Plus? I didn't actually watch that one. But the fight in the original ep. 50 was pretty one-sided...I mean, he didn't even take out any of Kira's DRAGOONS, let alone damage him in any way.

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SNT1 · 2006-06-13, 21:10

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

1. Kira starting to punk out Shinn, Rey breaks off from Athrun and comes up.

2. Beam slashing, Rey reveals he's Rau's clone, SF dodging Legend's beams.

3. Kira picking off DRAGOONS left and right, then some more beam locking.

4. "You are yourself...not Rau."

5. GGPO RAINBOW GUNS V2.

first, 3 and 4 happened at the same time, second, that proves my point. until the magic words, SF wasnt really damaging Legend and its remote weapons.

kct · 2006-06-13, 21:12

Not to mention Kira have a 'Raww phobia' happening at the same time.

M_Flores · 2006-06-13, 22:48

I don't understand why he couldn't even do this against Providence - why couldn't Kira just to the multiple lock-on on all the Dragoon pods? Were they just too fast?

If Kira was able to take them down with the beam rifle, why couldn't he just use all his guns and take them all down? (SF has at least 13 guns to take down each of Legend's 10 pods)

SNT1 · 2006-06-13, 22:57

Both DRAGOONs weren't aiming for the other DRAGOONs; they were aiming at the MS. Kira's DRAGOONs aim at Legend, while Rey's DRAGOONs am at Kira.

Demongod86 · 2006-06-13, 23:44

SF>>freedom in terms of space combat. 8 more goons=very yes.

And if Kira took on Rau in SF instead of vanilla Freedom, Rau would have gotten his sorry ass kicked in three minutes tops. Providence was OMG COOL because Kira had one gun and Freedom's beamspammage to fight against dragoons. In SF, Kira had DRAGOONS to fight against dragoons. Instead of dodging and manually destroying every dragoon one by one, why not just whoops, do it right back in SF?

Legend got owned because Rey sucks as a pilot. And because there is absolutely nothing it has on SF. SF>Legend in every single way, except possibly semantics, but as far as we've seen, SF > legend, and that's that. In fact, has any other gundam ever gotten BEAMFRAGGED?

kct · 2006-06-13, 23:58

It only got beamfragged AFTER Rey went 'ZOMG, WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW?!' that time, after Kira used the 'magic phrase'.

Master_Soldier · 2006-06-14, 02:48

Legend, is a better mobile suit than Providence when it comes to maneuverabilty. Of course it loses in fire power but makes up for it in defensive purposes. The flight backpack makes angles for complex dodging manuevers possible instead of latteral movement on the Providence. It just came up against the wrong opponent. Aside from Kira not many pilots have what it takes to overcome the Dragoon System. Its really no mystery on how SF beat Legend flawlessly. How do you think Kira thought Rey was Rau in the first place. Surely, not the newtype flash. Rey use similar tactics with his dragoons that Rau use. Legend was very aggressive in that fight with SF, putting it on the defensive many times. Where Rey's focus is to take down the SF instead of its dragoons, Kira was taken down Legends dragoons while dodging and countering enemy fire. There's no pilot in the C.E. universe better at this than Kira. Taking full advantage of SF superior maneuverability, it would only be a matter of time, before Kira would take down a significant number of Legends Dragoons then look to take down the main unit itself. As, for Kira's magic phrase, let's just say its an eye for an eye, Rey wasn't really quiet during the fight himself. He just lost focus and Kira got the better of him. If you think Freedom and SF rainbow is called beam spammage what in the world do you call what Legend and Providence is doing? Super Spammage?

I believed Legend could have been dominant. But instead it was not a main character Gundam or really a proper boss gundam. Even though Legend is a better suit than its predecessor the competition to be the stongest is really stiff at the top.

Rich · 2006-06-14, 04:25

Legend is a superior suit compared to Providence, other than that Providence uses Nuclear Jammer Canceller. Legend is the second design after Providence and it makes up for Providence's weakness (which is close combat). First off Legend has dragoons which includes beam javalins, has a beam sword, an has a beam immited shield (Providence doesn't edven have a shield)

Actually i actually the Providence better because it looks better compared the the Legend. so i'm not taking any sides, but stating the fact.... -__________-|||

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RX-78GP04G Gerbera Whoosh! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Albany Age: 38	reply Well, like you said, it could've had multiple layers, thus multiplying the resisting strength of the Phase Shift. Or it just had a much larger power source to make it much stronger (which it must have) __________________ "I'll show you that a superior mobile suit has its limits when it goes up against a superior pilot!" - Char Aznable, The Red Comet "Come on! I don't feel like losing!" - Johnny Ridden, The Crimson Lightning "Hatred is the root of all war! That's common sense, boy!" - Anavel Gato, The Nightmare of Solomon

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Demongod86 Gundam Boobs and Boom FTW Join Date: Dec 2005	SF>>freedom in terms of space combat. 8 more goons=very yes. And if Kira took on Rau in SF instead of vanilla Freedom, Rau would have gotten his sorry ass kicked in three minutes tops. Providence was OMG COOL because Kira had one gun and Freedom's beamspammage to fight against dragoons. In SF, Kira had DRAGOONS to fight against dragoons. Instead of dodging and manually destroying every dragoon one by one, why not just whoops, do it right back in SF? Legend got owned because Rey sucks as a pilot. And because there is absolutely nothing it has on SF. SF>Legend in every single way, except possibly semantics, but as far as we've seen, SF > legend, and that's that. In fact, has any other gundam ever gotten BEAMFRAGGED? __________________ Signature stolen by a horde of carnivorous bunnies. It is an unscientifically proven fact that they are attracted to signatures which break the signature rules.

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Pepperidge Dissatisfied Canadian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: British Columbia, Canada Age: 37	I think it would've been better if Rey had piloted the Providence ZAKU instead of the Legend.

2006-06-12, 20:18	Link #24
Nvis Where are the good animes Join Date: Dec 2003	I liked how Legend took out those Destroys, though (made it sooo easy). With the two big dragoons that can easily pass through Destroy's shield.

2006-06-13, 05:56	Link #28
srb I can see time itself! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kingdom of Sweden Age: 37	If I'm not mistaken, weren't the beams defeated by the giant magnetic field on the GENESIS armor?

2006-06-13, 18:52	Link #29
Strike Mk.II Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK	Like some of the tech in CE we dont exactly know how Phase Shift armour works. All we know is that depending on how much power Phase Shift Armour is given, its strength can vary from providing protection from shell-firing artillery or melee weapons, all the way to also providing protection from beam weapons and positron weapons.

2006-06-13, 21:12	Link #34
kct Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In the office, staring at my secretary shipgirl Age: 37	Not to mention Kira have a 'Raww phobia' happening at the same time.

2006-06-13, 22:48	Link #35
M_Flores Count of Monte Dorifto Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Isla De Monte Dorifto	I don't understand why he couldn't even do this against Providence - why couldn't Kira just to the multiple lock-on on all the Dragoon pods? Were they just too fast? If Kira was able to take them down with the beam rifle, why couldn't he just use all his guns and take them all down? (SF has at least 13 guns to take down each of Legend's 10 pods)

2006-06-13, 22:57	Link #36
SNT1 r0x0rz j00r b0x0rz Join Date: Jan 2006	Both DRAGOONs weren't aiming for the other DRAGOONs; they were aiming at the MS. Kira's DRAGOONs aim at Legend, while Rey's DRAGOONs am at Kira.

2006-06-13, 23:58	Link #38
kct Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In the office, staring at my secretary shipgirl Age: 37	It only got beamfragged AFTER Rey went 'ZOMG, WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW?!' that time, after Kira used the 'magic phrase'.

2006-06-14, 02:48	Link #39
Master_Soldier Junior Member Join Date: May 2006	Legend, is a better mobile suit than Providence when it comes to maneuverabilty. Of course it loses in fire power but makes up for it in defensive purposes. The flight backpack makes angles for complex dodging manuevers possible instead of latteral movement on the Providence. It just came up against the wrong opponent. Aside from Kira not many pilots have what it takes to overcome the Dragoon System. Its really no mystery on how SF beat Legend flawlessly. How do you think Kira thought Rey was Rau in the first place. Surely, not the newtype flash. Rey use similar tactics with his dragoons that Rau use. Legend was very aggressive in that fight with SF, putting it on the defensive many times. Where Rey's focus is to take down the SF instead of its dragoons, Kira was taken down Legends dragoons while dodging and countering enemy fire. There's no pilot in the C.E. universe better at this than Kira. Taking full advantage of SF superior maneuverability, it would only be a matter of time, before Kira would take down a significant number of Legends Dragoons then look to take down the main unit itself. As, for Kira's magic phrase, let's just say its an eye for an eye, Rey wasn't really quiet during the fight himself. He just lost focus and Kira got the better of him. If you think Freedom and SF rainbow is called beam spammage what in the world do you call what Legend and Providence is doing? Super Spammage? I believed Legend could have been dominant. But instead it was not a main character Gundam or really a proper boss gundam. Even though Legend is a better suit than its predecessor the competition to be the stongest is really stiff at the top.

2006-06-14, 04:25	Link #40
Rich AnimeSuki's Hentai-sama Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hong Kong	Legend is a superior suit compared to Providence, other than that Providence uses Nuclear Jammer Canceller. Legend is the second design after Providence and it makes up for Providence's weakness (which is close combat). First off Legend has dragoons which includes beam javalins, has a beam sword, an has a beam immited shield (Providence doesn't edven have a shield) Actually i actually the Providence better because it looks better compared the the Legend. so i'm not taking any sides, but stating the fact.... -__________-\|\|\|