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View Poll Results: K-On! - Episode 10 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 25 | 24.75% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 25 | 24.75% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 24 | 23.76% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 14 | 13.86% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 5 | 4.95% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 4 | 3.96% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 1.98% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.99% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.99% | |
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2009-06-10, 14:32 | Link #121 | |
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I just feel like whenever the forum experience becomes the product and not simply the byproduct, something of the simple joy of entertainment is lost. Recently, I feel as though this forum has almost passed that point, and as you point out, it seems that others are realizing the same thing. If you don't enjoy anime, what's the point? |
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2009-06-10, 14:51 | Link #122 |
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Can I just say I don't find those behavioral patterns all that smart, sophisticated, and something that denotes discriminating tastes? Sometimes, they're just boring - other times, they are funny, tho.
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2009-06-10, 14:56 | Link #123 | |
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Though in K-On's case I truly believe that even if you accept the fact that it's catering to a certain demographic and that it's not meant to be an ambitious masterpiece *lolkyoani* effort like it was initially made out to be following the first episode that it's still coming up short. And yeah maybe we are seeing the birth of a countertrend towards all of the Kyoani adaptation hype. Then again somehow I highly doubt it. I think it's more as you commented early, that the hypes died down over the past couple years, the other voices are speaking up more and they've found a way to meet somewhere a little closer to the middle. Maybe being the operative phrase in all of the preceeding paragraph. Anyway if people think I am critical of over the top moe series now then they should have seen my intial reaction upon being introduced to the concept of moe. Luckily I've learned to tolerate and even appreciate the idea behind it all to a certain extent. Though when it starts to seem like the moe is all a series has going for it...... |
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2009-06-10, 15:30 | Link #124 | ||||
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Like I said in my previous post, I have absolutely no problem with the genre in question. If I am talking about execution, I suppose you are right that it is not possible to have no expectations. Maybe subconciously I expected this show to be like 10% moe, 60% slice of life, and 30% comedy, but I ended up getting 60% moe, 5% slice of life, and 35% comedy (And more often than not, the comedy is repetitive, and not very funny). Now I am not writing off this series for the general population, I am only writing it off for people who share similar opinions to me. If one of my friends who likes similar anime comes up to me and asks about this show, I will defintely not recommend it. The general population can go on and like whatever they want. Doesn't mean I am going to consider something like American Idol as "wonderful" or "entertaining." There are many forms of art out there that the general population wouldn't give so much as a second glance at, but they are still considered great by the elitist cultures out there. How else would the words of great philosphers like Haggel last today if they relied on the masses to keep their ideas alive? Quote:
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If that is the case though, I do not know how you would determine whether or not a forum could reach such a point and how you would judge if someone is doing such in the first place. If it is true though, which I highly doubt it would be at all, then it is a sad fact.
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2009-06-10, 16:50 | Link #125 |
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The series has all the checkpoints that should make it very enjoyable for me. Yet with each episode, my mood about K-on! marches toward marking it as "forgettable fluff". Yeah, me... the L*S, Hidamari, Hyakko, Manabi Straight, et al happy imbiber.
That's the reason I really haven't said much in the forum about it or even bothered to score the episodes. I don't *dislike* the series... but there's just something not happening that leaves me feeling this series was a stumble for KyoAni. The characters are cute, the metaphors for sex, drugs, and rock are amusing ("here, just one piece of cake won't hurt"), nothing's better than a cute electric bass player, but.... ?meh? No idea what to think about my mood on this one.
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2009-06-10, 17:09 | Link #126 | ||||
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Despite the fact that this way of phrasing things will forever annoy the heck out of me, on a personal level I do understand what you're getting at. Some of the genre competition you listed raises a pretty high bar in my mind as well. But I don't think it's necessarily a "stumble" for the animation studio; the show is already on track to being another huge mass-market success for them. But of course, not every show will hit a "home run" with every single person. Nothing wrong with that! |
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2009-06-10, 17:53 | Link #127 |
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Wow the Hate because they did another beach episode. I really think many people missed the point. Go back and watch episode 3. This was the first time the band got together and played as a band. it was also the first time they really got to know each other. Now look at 10, here you can see they have become friends.
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2009-06-10, 18:34 | Link #128 | |
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As for this episode (back to topic), I stopped downloading the raws early on so just waiting for my preferred fansubbers to pop it.
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2009-06-10, 18:37 | Link #129 |
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On K-On, I'll definitely buy the manga, since the Chinese translation is coming (Bless Jian Duan. Nice work on Hidamari as well). As for the Blu-Rays, you're out of luck, Kyo Ani. Now, if the OST has Don't Say Lazy and Fuwa Fuwa Time together...
I think the main reason is that it's Kyo Ani. If it was a lesser known company, expectations might not be as high, I believe.
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2009-06-10, 18:54 | Link #130 | |||
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Anyway, K-On being a "smash success" is kind of beside the point and a bit of a given. Kyoto Animation has such a loyal and passive fanbase here and in Japan that it still seems no matter what they do, as long as give the otaku what they want then they will always have a "hit". Again that's fine, I just find it hard to rationalize whenever people try to claim to me that their series are masterpieces, original, "genius", superior or whatever, because I just do not see it....especially with K-On, though I don't think anybody has tried to proclaim it as a superior show since the 1st episode. I guess this is another one of those old points, but for me at least it still seems somewhat relevant, though maybe not for much longer depending on a number of factors. Quote:
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I think it's more the initial attention and anticipation wouldn't have been at such a high level. Expectations for Kyoani series have never seemed all that high to me. In fact sometimes it appears as if expectations don't even exist. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2009-06-10 at 19:07. |
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2009-06-10, 19:44 | Link #131 | |||
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Anyway, with all that being said, I guess it's time to go back to letting people enjoy the show. The next episode will air in around 16 hours. |
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2009-06-10, 20:17 | Link #133 |
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Uh yeah, I'm not jumping into that philosophical debate on being a critic or what have you because my tastes are very, very peculiar (I'll watch literally everything), and to many here who don't know me, well I come off as hating most everything, or a troll or what have you, but that's how I tend to express myself. It's never been an intention of mine to actually rile anyone up or willingly start an argument, but, well, I'm more vocal (and crude) then most so it rubs people the wrong way more often then not.
That being said, I don't hate K-On. I don't love it either. I hate Mio, I kinda like Yui (thank you hentai), Mugi is dead to me, and I want to take Ritsu home with me. They suck COMPLETE ASS as a club, but they're pretty damn good as a band but we keep getting more of the club shoved down our throats, and consistently less and less of the band. Meh.
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2009-06-10, 20:44 | Link #134 | |
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On the flip side, I suppose, I watch very few shows and only the ones that I think (after doing some research) that I'll have a high likelihood of enjoying. I also drop everything that isn't enjoyable, if I even started watching it in the first place. So, as a result, it would seem like I like everything (but it's more that I like everything I watch, because I only watch what I like). I guess it's just a difference in styles or something. |
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2009-06-10, 20:49 | Link #135 |
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I meant to write 'anything' instead of everything, as an indication that I'm usually open to most whatever is out there.
That being said, I've made plenty of replies / comments on here (AS rather) that hold no malice to them at all. Check the Maria-sama ga Miteru threads, it's nothing but pure fanboy spooge, haha. It's just that people take note of me when I walk into a thread for a series like Clannad and suddenly wish the main character's wife was dead, so my moments of happiness get overshadowed easily. Maybe if I went OD on said posts things would cancel out / negate each other somehow? Haha~
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2009-06-10, 21:40 | Link #136 |
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Interestingly, Mio is the center point for what I do enjoy about K-on! and the reason is quite clear to me -- the designer managed to hit all my buttons for what appeals to me.
Someone who manages to be quiet and Sasaki-ish (AzuDa) yet can shift gears to dynamically assertive (Kagami-firespit) ... of course, they gave her Kagami:L*S eyes as well. Some demonic combination of Nagato and Kagami.... o.O Then... then they go and bring in her metaphorical little sister - with twin tails no less. Argh, the manipulation....
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2009-06-10, 21:52 | Link #137 |
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Notice that Mio and Ritsu are the two members who we know very little about, compared to Yui and Mugi. Besides the pair being friends since young, we don't know much of where they're coming from. There's definitely that air of mystery around Mio.
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2009-06-10, 23:26 | Link #140 | |
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I also think that while it's primarily about the show, that it is about us at some point. Anyway, I believe the point I made was that I find it hard to rationalize something like K-On as a masterpiece. As in it doesn't register. Though you seem to think of this as hating on them. Me though, I just take what I see and react to it and that's about all I can do. If something registers with me like episode 08 did and on a good note then it'll be positive. If not...well......I guess there's always next episode. Anyway, enough of that, I'm curious now, what do you see in K-On that makes it great and/or enjoyable to you? Maybe if I could step into your shoes I might be able to better understand the situation. |
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