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View Poll Results: Who is the ultimate shinobi? | |||
The 1st | 24 | 5.99% | |
The 2nd | 3 | 0.75% | |
Sarutobi | 117 | 29.18% | |
The 4th | 119 | 29.68% | |
Jiraiya | 27 | 6.73% | |
Orochimaru | 10 | 2.49% | |
Tsunde | 4 | 1.00% | |
Itachi | 73 | 18.20% | |
Other...[Please State Who] | 24 | 5.99% | |
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2011-12-28, 09:09 | Link #461 | |
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2011-12-29, 11:56 | Link #462 |
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I'd be voting for Minato.
During his fight with Tobi during the Night of Naruto's birth , 'technically' speaking Minato won the fight with his skills. He managed to severely injure Tobi to the extent of forcing Tobi to retreat. At that time Minato was not even in his 30s. If you were to say Tobi is now of a different level because he has the Rinnegan now , i'm pretty sure given 17 years Minato would too be of a different level and be very much improved. Even Tobi himself applauded Minato's skills. The only 2 guys who are better than him are Hashirama & Madara but heck. Those guys are on a complete different league of their own. I'd have voted for Itachi if not for the fact that most High Lvl Sharingan Eye Techniques causes their users to go blind. If they don't 'take' Sharingans from other Uchiha's they won't be able to progress. To me that isn't even 'fair' or legit. Its just sacrificing others for the sake of power. So yeah. Personally Itachi is the strongest guy ever in my eyes but i'd vote for Minato. The only Uchiha who was badass enough and yet not need Eyes from other members of his Clan was Shisui but he died too quickly which was a sign that he wasn't really very strong other than his unique eye technique. *Madara & Hashirama not included :3
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2011-12-29, 14:57 | Link #463 |
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Speaking Hashirama, I'm still wondering how he got so strong. Without the Bijuu, I don't see him as anything special. He can control trees, so what? I haven't seen anything of Mokuton that it especially jaw-dropping. We really need to see his fight with Madara in a Gaiden, because I just don't see how he won. Madara's Amaterasu should have burned through the trees with ease and Susanoo should have been able to protect against them just fine.
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2011-12-29, 15:00 | Link #464 | |
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2011-12-29, 16:17 | Link #465 | |
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2011-12-29, 19:06 | Link #466 |
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I don't take the Orochimaru fight as indicative of anything when it comes to Hashi or Tobirama. I seriously doubt Kishi had Hashirama's character fleshed in his mind out as much as he does now. If he had, we would have seen a hell of a lot more from him and Tobirama. For example, he probably would have pulled the Kyubi out of Naruto (though that couldn't happen for plot purposes of course) and we would have seen some S/T from Tobirama.
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2012-01-02, 23:08 | Link #467 |
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I think the strongest would be Kabuto. If you consider how he controlled undead, tireless versions of Akatsuki, Seven Swordsmen, Kages, and other really strong ninjas including Edo-Madara, Kabuto nearly took on the entire Shinobi Alliance by himself. Sure, the alliance had to battle White Zetsu as well, but they weren't as much of a problem as the Edo summons.
Edo Tensei was severely broken. It even seemed that way back in part I when Orochimaru used it to summon the first two hokages. It's a little weird that Orochimaru never bothered to use it again after that point. The next most powerful would be Tobi, since he controls 6/9 tailed beasts (not sure where Shukaku is at at the moment). I sort of wonder what would have happened if Tobi had faced off against Kabuto. Honestly, I think Edo-Nagato + Edo-Itachi would have won against Naruto+Bee if not for Shisui's power. And I think those two could probably match the power of the current Tobi. If you then factor in the Edo-kages, Edo-Sasori, Edo-Deidara, Edo-Chiyo, Edo-Kmimaro etc in addition to Kabuto's own powers, Kabuto>Tobi. In my opinion, the five strongest ninja in the series has been (not including undead zombies): 1. Kabuto 2. Tobi 3. Nagato 4. Hashirama 5. Madara I assume Sage of Six Paths would be the strongest by default. But we never actually see him.
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2012-01-02, 23:34 | Link #468 | |
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to me though, it only amounts to playing chess or conducting an orchestra for illustrative purposes, not kabuto's overall power. the fact that each ET summons is so strong is indicative of that particular ninja's power, not kabuto's. I guess it's just the perspective we see things from though edit: also, I'm surprised you would put madara below nagato. what is your reasoning for that? madara looks to be much more powerful, even in life before the hashirama dna upgrade kabuto gave him. he gave nagato his power as you stated in another thread and his meteor tech. was more impressive imo at least |
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2012-01-03, 12:44 | Link #469 |
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just another point about madara being stronger than nagato: madara was able to control the kyuubi whereas nagato had a massive amount of trouble when dealing with him and never gained control. so far in the manga I haven't seen any characters more powerful than tobi or madara. I'm assuming naruto and sasuke may soon prove to be so, but not yet.
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2012-01-03, 14:49 | Link #470 |
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That doesn't say a whole lot about their power in comparison to be honest. What would the fact that Madara can control the Kyuubi help in a battle with Nagato (if we leave the Kyuubi out of that battle)? Yes, Madara can do things Nagato can't, but so can Nagato. He is perfectly able to cast jutsus of all elements, which Madara can probably not. I'm not saying Nagato is stronger than Madara (but they are close), however the point you made does not prove anything in regards to Madara's superiority.
And honestly, I don't get why people keep hyping Tobi. We have seen close to nothing of him in terms of fighting skill / technique / power. He may be a beast, but all we see is him fading out of and into reality again. We practically haven't even seen him fight. How can you all be so sure he's so powerful?
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well then by this logic, your point is void (if we leave elemental techniques out of the battle) being able to control the kyuubi and not being able to control it (by means of force) is most definitely a gauge of power |
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The Kyuubi was just some random beast. If we would stage a fight between Madara and Nagato, it wouldn't be part of it, because it's not his power. Sure the fox obeyed Madara back in the day, but if that's all it takes for you to except the Kyuubi as part of Madara's power, than by that logic, Tsunade would maybe be just as strong as Nagato, because an entire village obeys her. Of course that logic is flawed though. The fact that Madara can control the Kyuubi changes nothing about how strong he is, just like the fact that Tsunade is the head of a village changes nothing about her 'power'.
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But you're right, Tobi is already fighting. I forgot that he's become Pain himself now. However, the fight up until now cannot be used to judge Tobi's powe. So far, the only thing he has been relying on is the combined power of the bijuus, which are not his own. If we take those away, then what's left? Right, we don't know. Still people hype up Tobi himself into the sky. And that question is very much legit. You can imagine a Tobi without the power of the bijuus, because that's not like taking away Nagato's elements. A scenario in which you rob a character of his powers would be pointless in a debate like this. However the bijuus are not Tobi's own powers.
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2012-01-03, 21:51 | Link #475 |
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Strongest in their prime so far have been Tobi, 4th Hokage, Madara, and maybe Itachi.
Though not a single one of those could beat every single other one 1v1. But I think those 4 could defeat any other character we've seen (maybe a few specific exceptions). And the younger characters obviously aren't in their prime yet, so I won't include them. |
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2012-01-03, 22:56 | Link #477 |
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The comparison of Madara and Tsunade is not flawed at all. Both can use others to fight for them. It's that simple.
Anyway, if you count Madara's ability to control the bijuus as his own power, we are entering difficult realms again. It's a similar situation with Kabuto and his zombies. In my opinion, it doesn't contribute, but I can see how one could think otherwise. Madara would need bijuus to make use out of that ability. If there'd be none for him to conquer, that one power would be entirely pointless. The latest manga chapter hinted at that very scenario as a possible one. Well, we'll see how well he does when he finally steps in the limelight himself, soon.
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2012-01-03, 23:34 | Link #478 |
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My personal take on the Tobi situation is to separate him the same way we separate Nagato and the Six Paths of Pain (where the Six Paths of Pain are obviously still Nagato, but Nagato's strength on his own is an entirely separate thing). We know how strong Tobi w/ Six Paths is, but we don't know how strong Tobi was before the war (or with the Sharingan/Rinnegan combo, but without the Six Paths). We can assume on that all we like, but we don't much of anything concrete about Tobi's personal abilities.
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and just a side note, (not directed at anyone in particular but I have seen it tossed aside in this discussion) I wouldn't discount tobi's escapability as not all that powerful of a technique. its the fastest evasion tech we've seen so far and is on par with minato, km naruto and A's speed |
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And yeah, his evasion ability is a lot more useful than some people seem to give it credit for. But it doesn't really make him stronger per se; the fastest mouse can outrun the cat, sure, but that mouse certainly won't be taking down any cats on that speed alone (though running and spamming Amaterasu probably would ). |
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