2011-11-12, 22:42 | Link #781 |
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at the end of episode 7 is getting exciting. The gang going on hiatus to boycott the ruling. The thing I don't get is why the editors from the other authors care about Ashirogi Muto going on hiatus. Having Ashirogi Muto go on hiatus means less competition for them. It makes sense that they agree that having Ashirogi Muto go on hiatus until april is not fair but going as far as supporting the gang in boycotting just doesn't make too much sense to me.
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2011-11-12, 23:14 | Link #783 | |
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2011-11-13, 01:30 | Link #784 | |
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It's amazing how much more intense this series has gotten - I was really charged up with righteous indignation. Fukuda isn't my favorite but he's unbeatable for rabble-rousing. I'd said that Sasaki had to be the adult in the room and make a rational decision, but I was wrong about him - he made a cowardly decision based on guilt. I can't blame Masahiro's mother for her role, as she's just worried about her son - but the minute she said she wanted him to quit altogether she disqualified herself as a reasonable judge. By her own admission, she wants to destroy Masahiro's career. I really wonder if Masahiro's Dad is going to get involved. He's been absent for a long time, and Nobuhiro was his brother, and he seems to understand his son's dreams a lot better than his wife does. A word from him to Sasaki would go a long way. The reasonable solution is obviously a compromise, where Trap goes on hiatus but only until Masahiro is released. But that would require Sasaki to back down and to stand up to Masahiro's mother, and I don't see him doing either. And he definitely doesn't seem like the sort of guy that will respond well to threats.
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2011-11-13, 05:59 | Link #785 | |
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2011-11-13, 06:13 | Link #786 |
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I just want to give the Chief Editor a high-five. He really laid down the law and showed who is boss. Although April is extreme, it is still not unreasonable. They are going to be out for 3-4 months anyway, so what is a few more months going to do?
Besides, they can use that time to really brush up Giganta Trap. Takagi could project really far ahead in the story and create a very comprehensive and enticing story. Also, like mother like son. Mashiro's mom is as stubborn as her son with her one track mind and decision making, and it does not matter if she is right or not. Mashiro will not use this to reflect on himself, but instead will probably put blame on his mother. As for the other mangaka, it just seems like the story is going out of control. I can understand friendship, but to risk your very young serialization to be canceled on an impulse action? As intense as these seens are, they just are so over the top incredibly unbelievable that they are hard to be taken seriously. However, it is what it is to move the story along. I enjoyed the chief editor, Sasaki, a lot. I enjoyed Azuki and Mashiro moments. I did not enjoy how gullible everyone else was to just do whatever Mashiro wanted. If he dies, no more Giganta Trap. Did everyone forget about that? He could relapse right after his release from the hospital as well. I do hope Hattori will be able to make the right decision, and set everything right, though.
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2011-11-13, 06:45 | Link #787 |
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The chief's decision is pure BS, especially because he's unfairly using Mashiro 's uncle as a basis for it. On top of that, he's not considering Mashiro's feelings. His mother is just as unfair... and frankly plain unlikeable at this point. Like Mashiro said, he doesn't need to attend school for the moment, so he can get the rest he needs and maintain TRAP. With that said, he was reckless to get to this point and should have taken care of himself better... that doesn't mean he can't learn from his mistake and continue with serialization.
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2011-11-13, 10:08 | Link #788 | |
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As to Sasaki, his actions are unreasonable because he's doing it in a discriminatory way. Note the comment Mashiro made to which Sasaki agreed, "if his uncle is not Kawaguchi, the hiatus for Gitantei TRAP will not last till April", which makes it unreasonable. |
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2011-11-13, 12:50 | Link #789 | |
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It's the same here. Mashiro's relation to Kawaguchi Taro factors in. It's the unavoidable reality, and it can't be ignored. Ultimately, I did think Sasaki's decision of next April was a bit too long, but at that point, with everyone else letting Mashiro go down the same harmful road, I was just grateful for anyone to go a different direction, even if he did go a little too far. But also, even if we do consider April to be overkill, you also must consider that Mashiro wasn't exactly proving himself to be a mature adult who was sensible enough to be allowed to continue right after being discharged. One of the editors at the end said, "they're not considering Ashirogi's feelings!" Well, that's because Ashirogi wasn't considering anyone else's feelings. All they can see is their series. They don't see how Mashiro's family already suffered one heartbreak, how it probably also affected his friends as Shounen Jump as well, or his mother's feelings once Mashiro took on the same job as his uncle, and now he's already hospitalized at such a young age. That's not exactly an encouraging sign. No, in the end they really are just thinking purely about themselves, so somebody else had to think about the others. Sasaki ended up being the one to do so. It's not like that was the only reason for his decision, though. If you notice, the doctor said flat out, only drawing in moderation is acceptable. But drawing for a weekly series, with 20 pages and a constant tight deadline? I doubt a moderate drawing schedule would be sufficient for that workload. It's really a complicated issue. Hard to find a good answer. |
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From a human POV... Yeah, there it's more complicated. Though it's unsurprising he'd sympathise with Mashiro's mother, while all the young ones sympathise with Mashiro. |
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2011-11-13, 14:24 | Link #792 | |
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I was trying to show how Sasaki's decision wasn't just an emotional one, but likely based on the real life implications of the situation, such as what the doctor said about drawing in moderation. |
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2011-11-15, 21:47 | Link #796 |
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I would have to reread the manga from the beginning, because I'm certain they took some creative differences when Azuki determined to visit Mashiro at the hospital.
I'm pretty sure that while Azuki felt overwhelmed and grieved about learning from Takagi that Mashiro got interred in the hospital, she was in a state of confusion whether to uphold to the promise or to will herself to go for Mashiro's sake. The importance of this difference is to have Azuki showing a strong side to her frail and shy self, that she's grown-up to become assertive and confident as to trust Mashiro on what the latter's doing. They exchanged promises and vows and just as Mashiro confided what he truly loved about her when Azuki felt unsure at the time she was offered to make the photobook, Azuki wants to have Mashiro confide in her and in a way to confess him that she'll support his decision no matter the adverse effects carried. This was best highlighted when she held hands with Mashiro give him support to hold the pen and continue penn-ing the remainder for the manuscript. |
2011-11-16, 00:00 | Link #797 |
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Yeah I'm more giving props to Sasaki for his decision than anything else. Maybe the hiatus is a bit too long, but that's the only thing I'd question there. Someone has to put their foot down because Mashiro can't stop himself and Takagi can't/won't stop him. If he's not going to think long term or about his own life then someone's got to make the call for him.
Can understand Mashiro's concern about what might happen when going on a hiatus now. Yet really it isn't guaranteed they'll go down and even if they do he'll be alive to start a new one. With their talent they won't be held out for very long before being right back in there, possibly with something better. With how Mashiro has been acting lately I'd support just about anyone trying to stop him.
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