2006-02-06, 17:41 | Link #1 |
Not Enough Sleep
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: R'lyeh
Age: 48
|
The Mohammed Editoral Cartoons
Just wondering what everyone opinions is on this.
let me my state my view on this issue. 1. I support Free Speech. I beleived Free Speech is one of the corner stone of Democracy and Human Rights and any attempt at supressing it should be view as a attack on Democracy. 2. I beleived the Danish and various European Newspaper have the right to publish the cartoon. 3. However I also believed just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you should do it. Common sense should have told the editors in the Danish newspaper to not publish those cartoons. Especially when they consider the how much of powder keg the whole middle east is. This is like delibratedly shouting fire in a movie theater. Lawful but irresponsible. Thoughts anyone?
__________________
|
2006-02-06, 18:13 | Link #2 |
The Hawqman
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Ottawa Ontario
Age: 33
|
My thoughs on this is that no one, i mean no one has rights to ever publicize something so anti holy, and anti religous like that. FINAL
I mean there are tons of Muslims around the world there. People are so stereotypical like that, just because we are muslim, or you are muslim does not mean we are going to nuke you. Not only that, they did this on our holy prophet(peace be upon him). |
2006-02-06, 18:24 | Link #3 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Age: 44
|
One of the marks of a civilised society is that absolutely no form of expression is prohibited simply due to groups of people finding it offensive.
I don't respect the creator of these cartoons, they're only really showing ignorance and insensitivity, but I will absolutely defend their right to do it. |
2006-02-06, 18:32 | Link #4 |
Aria Company
Join Date: Nov 2003
|
This thread is probably going to go quite badly...
I had heard that the cartoons were originally published in September. Is that true? If so, why is there a reaction now? As for whether they should have been published, I don't see why not. Sure muslims have every right to be offended, but the reaction is totally out of proportion. Even if showing a depiction of the prophet is against islamic law, it doesn't justify violence. I don't see how anyone could have predicted such an outcome to this.
__________________
|
2006-02-06, 18:39 | Link #5 | ||
Not Enough Sleep
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: R'lyeh
Age: 48
|
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
|
||
2006-02-06, 18:56 | Link #7 |
Monarch Programmer
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Liverpool
Age: 42
|
Yes, the cartoons were bad, and yes, something should be done. What? I don't know. Freedom of speech is, and always will be a delicate issue. However, take it to the courts, not to the streets...
Placards with slogans such as "Behead those who insult Islam" and "Europe you will pay, your 9/11 will come" is down right disgusting imo. Bring back the Roman Empire I say! *I just simply can't be serious*
__________________
Last edited by Shay; 2006-02-06 at 19:06. |
2006-02-06, 19:11 | Link #8 |
The Hawqman
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Ottawa Ontario
Age: 33
|
This is the cliche way of saying things " how would you feel if we did the same to you"
That is it, what would be the reactions if we did something disrespectful, and something that is negative towards Christ. Then again, we respect him cause in islam he is a prophet and a messenger.(dont get into an arguement about Christ) This is just my example, sure i mean maybe we might have been responsible for 9/11, but Im not responsible for it or anything, and this is old news, what was the point of doing this at this time? |
2006-02-06, 19:14 | Link #9 | |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2004
|
Quote:
Personnely, i think that the freedom of Speech in the western world is in fact a right. But there are cultures where such thing doesn't excist and we have no right to push our rights upon them. Only by long term reasoning by both partys. But the Danish publisher already expressed their regrets and were sorry for the whole thing. Mission accomplished? Apperently no, the riots keep occuring and even an Italian Priest has been killed. This sort of violence is not acceptable no matter what the cause (even it's a 1000x more offensive to them as for us). I saw on TV that a teacher was burning the Danish flag together with children of 6-9 years old?? Talk about your role model.... So in short: Do they have the right to be angry? Yes Are violence, treats en burning Western builings tolerable? NO! PS: sorry about the grammatical mistakes if any :S |
|
2006-02-06, 19:16 | Link #10 | |
Kairin-chan's #1 Fan
Artist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Canada
|
This was posted on another forum I lurk on. Pretty much sums up what I (and others) think about the subject. I don't agree with it word for word but pretty much the jist of what's in there:
Quote:
__________________
|
|
2006-02-06, 19:22 | Link #11 | |
Monarch Programmer
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Liverpool
Age: 42
|
Quote:
And cartoons about Jesus? Are you serious? Monty Python has being doing shit like that for decades. I'm sorry but the reaction by the "extremist" Muslim community was outrageous and to me it only illustrated how their mentality and way of thinking hasn't changed one bit in a thousand years. It’s barbaric. Sorry. That is my opinion and I'm entitled to it..
__________________
|
|
2006-02-06, 19:28 | Link #12 | ||
Animeblogger
|
thats a good post Kiva, i agree with that view.
Here is an interview with the editor of the Danish Newspaper that started it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1117914...week/from/RL.1/ Quote:
Quote:
For a lighter look at things: It rhymes it rhymes !!! |
||
2006-02-06, 19:53 | Link #15 |
It's bacon!
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Up and to the Left
Age: 43
|
http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2006/2/5/132139/4838
Seen this through RAWstory yesterday. Iran also cut ties with Denmark today. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/religion_...kxBHNlYwN0bQ-- Not that that self sanction will mean anything anyway, thanks to their nuke program. Iran: Screw you! We don't need your crap goods anymore! EU / US: Nuke program? That's it, roll the sanctions. Iran: Shit! Uh,.. Denmark, you know we we're just kidding, right? Right? |
2006-02-06, 20:39 | Link #16 |
I need another drink.
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Beer. Boobs. Wait... boobs again.
|
Hmm...
Right... Of course, the islamic newspaper who published a cartoon of Hitler and Anne Frank in bed together as a response to this are not helping their cause either. Last edited by Catgirls; 2006-02-06 at 23:36. |
2006-02-06, 20:48 | Link #17 |
Hmm...
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Looking for his book...
|
Honestly, my thoughts on this aren't too pleasant and I'm not going to post too much for fear of insulting more people than one could count in a life time. >.>
First, has anyone here actually seen the comics in question? I have and I must say I'd be hard pressed to find anything offensive enough in any of them to warrent anything near an outcry of this level. http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/ (the images in question) As far is placating them is concerned... There isn’t an inch to give, nothing to negotiate and no concessions to be offered. Those of us who believe in enlightenment and free speech also have unalterable principles which we will not give up. We have to listen all the time to piratical-looking mullahs calling our Jewish friends pigs, mocking and deny the deaths of millions in the world's face, killing innocent people in the name of Allah, inciting violence against nations and peoples unrelated, demanding the censorship of The Satanic Verses and we find this all fantastically insulting, but we don’t behave like babies and riot over it as we recognize that free speach also means listening to that we find objectionable. They are making a puerile spectacle of themselves and I'm saviouring every moment of it. If we can put up with all the 'crap' they've pulled and thrown at us, they can learn to deal with a dozen caricatures of their prophet depicted in less than offensive manners. To summerize: The can sit on their collective thumbs and spin for all I care. >.>; *prepares to get negative repped like the world was about to end* |
2006-02-06, 20:51 | Link #18 | ||
Aria Company
Join Date: Nov 2003
|
Quote:
Quote:
In any case, do you really think christians would respond to such a cartoon by rioting and burning embassies? There is something seriously wrong with that kind of reaction to this, and it only serves to re-enforce the view of islam presented by a picture of mohammad with a bomb on his head. If christians did respond like that, I'd be just as appalled.
__________________
|
||
2006-02-06, 21:24 | Link #19 | |||
The Hawqman
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Ottawa Ontario
Age: 33
|
Quote:
Well then we will have to wait and see. and i was just responding to this quote by Shay Quote:
Quote:
|
|||
2006-02-06, 22:20 | Link #20 | |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2003
|
Unfortunatly this is only getting worse, its a shame that this is the way these crowds have decided to handle this. Rioting, burning, destruction, bomb threats (I really hope these stay threats), and now deaths all for what...
Quote:
The thing that sickens me most is that, how much backlash will this spell for Muslims all around the globe that have nothing to do with this, and the political implications that are already showing their ugly head (Iran blocking Danish trade). |
|
|
|