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The main reason I haven't read it is because I'm tempted to read it in the original French. I'm pretty good at french, but not really good enough to read a full novel. |
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2012-02-11, 12:09 | Link #202 |
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I don't like shoujo style much because in most cases we have a useless heroine surrounded by bunch of guys. Girls never stand out in that genre, they are plain for biggest part and have crushed on the most ridiculous choices.
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2012-02-11, 12:29 | Link #203 |
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It's hard to find a shoujo without school romance but it's easy to find a shounen with school romance (but most of them are harems featuring poor guy surrounded by perfect girls, though there's some without harems like love triangles and the traditionnal boy-girl main pairing).
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Hardly!! You are speaking about the reverse-harem genre. Shoujo come in all kinds of genres like action, slice-of-life, fantasy, and magical girl. There are even sports and game ones like Princess Nine and Million Girl. Quote:
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Some of the most powerful female characters in anime are matriarchs like the grandmothers in Summer Wars and Usagi Drop. They've obviously lived pretty conventional lives, but they still command respect, and sometimes obedience, in their extended families. The contrast between Daikichi's mother and sister in Usagi Drop is rather striking. Haruka, at least at first, seems to be living a life she hasn't really chosen for herself. If her mother followed a similar path, she isn't following it any longer. Of course, the fact that her children have now grown up makes her independent course an easier one. My own mother was a lot more unconventional in her seventies than she was in her forties.
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I would have to agree that "bubble head bordering on passive-aggressive martydom in a reverse harem consisting of impossible males" have been the stereotype of shoujo manga for decades. And it's not far off from the truth.
Bear in mind folks, for every "unique" title you see, there are like two dozen generic ones. Like any medium.
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2012-02-14, 16:16 | Link #212 |
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@90% of Shoujo being school based: I did a quick search on entries on Bakaupdates, unfortunately a lot of entries there are stubs, with only their demographic listed, so I only included releases with at least one released scanlation. Whether this is representative of Shojo manga as a whole is up for debate.
I had 7- pages (of 50 entries each) of Shojo. If we exclude "school life" that goes down to 40. If we exclude "Romance" instead, that goes down to 12. So actually, going by this, only 43% shojo are heavily set in school, but 83% are romantic. Interestingly, if we compare that to Shonen, there are 42 pages of shonen manga, of which 28 do not include romance, and 31 do not include school life. 22 do not include action, and 32 do not include adventure. From what can be gathered there, it's wrong to say that Shojo is all school romances, though shojo is still dominated by romance, and there are plenty of interesting unusual shojo titles (Natsume Yuujinchou, for instance), but Shonen does have a wider variety of genres. That said, there are less shonen manga overall (at least being scanlated...), and it's possible that there are biases there, those are just number of titles, and they're not taking into account length of the title. What I will say, is that both Shonen and Shojo are often formulaic. Shojo might have formulaic male leads and romance, but don't forget that a lot of shonen can be summed up by "I want to be the best ninja/pirate/footballer/cook/janitor". And let's also remember, 90% of everything is crap anyway, regardless of whether it's shonen or shojo. |
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In many shounen romances (I'm very experienced in this genre), the protagonist often gets the either "My ultimate goal is to get a girlfriend !" or "I'll must confess my love to my childhood friend !" catchphrases.
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2012-02-14, 16:42 | Link #214 | |
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It took almost whole series for her to just point sword at someone.
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2012-02-14, 18:41 | Link #215 | |
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I agree that Chizuru is an especially underdeveloped role, especially for Kuwashima, but seiyuu have to put food on the table just like the rest of us. Her performance as Shurrei is a tour-de-force. The speech in episode eight of SaiMono season two is one of her most memorable performances in her vast and varied career.
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Agreed SeijiSensei Kuwashima Houko is one of my absolute favorite female seiyuu. Another role she just nails (besides the many great ones you mention) is Shoukei in Twelve Kingdoms.
I also don't see what is wrong with Sango.
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2012-02-15, 21:41 | Link #220 | |
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No, I meant that I think the statement: "90% of everything is crap" is a bullshit statement. lol Adding to the Kuwashima Houko topic: I think she's amazing and definitely one of my favorites as well.
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