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evil|plushie · 2012-07-27, 20:51

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Originally Posted by mironicus

Just look at all the girls: Rika and Yozora with her own way of friendship want that Kodaka should adapt towards them to their liking: So he should accept being a sex-friend or a childhood-friend. Kodaka don't want to adapt towards them because he wants that a girl should adapt towards him instead... sounds weird? And Sena does it as the only girl - she is supposed to be the best in anything she does.

This kinda contradicts your previous quote

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So if someone asks Kodaka to date him, he probably won't say "Don't wanna", because he is not in a position where he has much choices anyway.

So does he have a choice or not -_-

mironicus · 2012-07-28, 05:45

He did not had any choices because there was no one he could take serious about love - that changed after Sena's confession.

If you replace "Someone" with "Sena" you know what I really meant with this sentence.

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sky black swordman · 2012-07-28, 06:50

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Kobato is an important link between them. If Kodaka would forbid Sena to have her way with his sister the relationship between them would suffer. So... he let her!

He sacrificed his sister!? Kodaka you fool you do know Sena is a Lolicon!

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Kodaka don't want to adapt towards them because he wants that a girl should adapt towards him instead...

Interesting what gives this idea that kodaka wants this ? Examples if you may.

mironicus · 2012-07-28, 08:10

Chapter "It's A Date No Matter How You Look At It. Seriously, etc."

He gives her all the information she wants about his sister and much more so that he supports her actively to become closer to her.

He goes even this far that he tells her what Kobato likes and what not - very private things. While talking he gives her also personal informations about himself. Sena listens and now she is able to adapt towards him even more. Kodaka also points out some things what he really likes about her and he makes her a compliment - without being asked.

Sena is usually very straight but very shy to address Kodaka romantically. And of course, within the club Sena just sees the whole time that Kodaka rejects any girl that makes advances on him. So she is just holding back the whole time. But you'll see - if there is a opportunity to become closer to him - like the kiss while playing the king game - she just do it without any hesitation. And Kodaka also did not hesitate. And talking about Kobato is a good topic to become closer to each other, too - though they did not had so much time to talk further during the shopping date.

Chapter Maid Cafe

And a prove that Kodaka is actually interested in her: He did not want to leave the club room first while Sena was about to change into a maid costume.

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"Fine, I guess I can do it. Hey, Kodaka! I'm changing, get out of here!"

"I can't just close my eyes like before?"

"What wuzzat?"

She started glaring at me.

"......You've got two previous offenses after all."

"Eh?"

"Nothing! Hurry up and get out!"

"A-alright."

Well, trying a glimpse or just hearing the sound of changing clothes on Sena's body is sure tempting.

And a good hint that Sena also thinks about him:

Chapter "Birthday Party (With The Neighbors Club)"

Kodaka wanted to buy meat for dinner during their shopping date but Sena did not let him. She wanted to buy a present for Kobato.

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Next up was Sena, who gave Kobato two kilograms of high grade sukiyaki beef.

"...What, so you ended up going with meat after all?"

I said in a tiny voice, causing Sena to blush.

"S-shut up, I couldn't help it... This is the best thing I could think of... besides, you said you wanted to have some and all..."

And about Kobato being sacrificed: Look at the PSP game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVvRi...B6E484EAFE9C37

From 6:00 onwards.

"Well, since it's Sena, I'm certain that she'll make sure to cover Kobato's whole body with sunblock. Just bear with it, Kobato!"

He really sacrifices his sister.

Kodaka is not that dense it seems. Kobato has to get used to Sena. He is really thinking ahead.

Johnny · 2012-07-28, 10:09

PSP game means squat since this is the light novel area and it never happened. As far as I can tell he doesn't trust Sena with Kobato as much as you think he does, and Kobato herself is terrified of Sena. The other stuff mentioned is just your own interpretation. Nothing concrete in anything you pointed out...

darkvader68 · 2012-07-28, 10:15

I don't think anyone trust Sena with Kobato... She is a little delusional on that aspect... Like I said they all have personal downfalls and that Sena for sure. However he doesn't really attempt to stop her... So by all means he has a point now I feel sorry for Kobato lol. Majority of the time its Yoz who stops Sena.

mironicus · 2012-07-28, 12:55

Of course this is an interpretation. Everything is an interpretation as long as it's not clearly written within the novel.

Another interpretation is that Kodaka is perhaps jealous about Kobato that Sena prefers her over him since she joined the club (Chapter: Service Time in Vol. 4).
Kodaka is in the library and Sena is alone with Yukimura in the club room, she sends him a message that he should come to the club room. She wants his company because it's just boring to be alone with Yukimura. Kodaka is about to leave the library and then he gets another message.

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Kobato-chan came (*^_^*) I don't need you anymore Kodaka (^^)/

"...Oh. Is that so?"

I said, giving my phone a look of annoyance and I opened up my textbook again.

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As far as I can tell he doesn't trust Sena with Kobato as much as you think he does, and Kobato herself is terrified of Sena.

So why does he entrust her so many things about Kobato? For no real reason? If you think otherwise give me your own reasons. Just saying "it's not" is not a very useful information to discuss.
Just imagine Kobato as a bait on a fishing line...

Johnny · 2012-07-28, 14:44

No, that's just your Sena tinted interpretation, not what isn't clearly written in the LN. There's nothing objective about anything being interpreted. Whatever floats your boat I suppose, but none of it can be taken that seriously. I'd be more worried that Sena is getting all this coverage now that we know up until now has been a mere prologue. I'm sure the other girls will get their time in the limelight since we know almost nothing about them outside of the clubroom. I also wouldn't be too surprised if another character is introduced at some point in the future that would join the club...

As to the why does he entrust her so many things about Kobato? Meaning what? For a birthday gift, and? That's two different things than being in person. Examples, I dunno go read about almost every time they enter the clubroom and Kobato hides behind Kodaka from creepy uncle Sena...

Spoiler for For Space...:

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"Kobato-chan is hereeeee!!"

It was the fourth day of our break after finals.

Just as Kobato and I entered the clubroom as usual, Sena yelled all of a sudden, jumping up off the couch.

"!"

Kobato's face stiffened in an instant before quickly hiding behind me.

Sena had a creepy smile on her face, and she went, "Hehehe~" as she slithered her way up to us.

"Hehehe, Kobato-chan you're as cute as ever! That dress really does look good on you, Kobato-chan~"

Kobato was wearing a frilly black dress.

She'd been wearing normal clothes up until a while ago due to the heat, but she switched back to this outfit now that it was cooler outside.

"Uuu~ An-chan..."

Kobato pleaded to me in a scared voice as she grabbed the edge of my sleeve.

Sena seems to really like Kobato, and she always tries to find ways to get closer to her, but Kobato isn't good with people she's not really familiar with, so she has a strong dislike of Sena.

Although, even if she was good with strangers and stuff, I'm pretty sure she'd still think Sena's creepy considering how Sena always tries to talk to her.

"Gyuhehe, hey~ hey~ Kobato-chan♥"

...Sena seems even creepier than usual today. I wonder why.

"Just what the heck do you want?"

I asked as I stepped in front of Kobato to cover her from Sena.

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In response to her, Sena went nuts and started screaming stuff like "Kyafuoooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh!! Kobato-chan is seriously an angelllll!! Kobato-chan, let me lick you! Come on, let me have a lick!!" and made a lunge at Kobato, but luckily Yozora silenced her with a whack from her flyswatter, allowing us to finally start talking about the school festival.

The six of us gathered around the table.

I was sitting with Yozora on my right, and Kobato on my left.

Across from me was Rika, who had Yukimura on her right-hand side, and Sena on her left.

Sena and Kobato were sitting so that they had the most possible distance between them.

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"Well, cafes aside, how about a haunted house?" Sena said.

"Oh, a haunted house, huh? That's a pretty common choice too."

"Meat actually came up with a good idea? I wouldn't be surprised if Earth exploded tomorrow..."

"Sena-senpai actually came up with a good idea? I bet aliens will come to invade Earth tomorrow..."

"Sena-anego proposed a sound idea? This must be a sign of the apocalypse..."

Yozora, Rika, and Yukimura all sounded like they were honestly afraid of what just happened.

"I always come up with good ideas! Listen up, haunted houses are a staple of any school festival! You and a girl go in all by yourselves, and then you walk down a scary path while holding hands! Then, a monster will pop out along the way and scare the girl so much that she ends up hugging me, which'll obviously make her like me a ton! Kobato-chan! Wanna go to a haunted house with me!?"

"No!"

Kobato gave an immediate refusal with a thoroughly disgusted look on her face to Sena's over-excited invitation.

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"Getting the lead role is pretty awesome. Heck, it's super awesome!"

I said, ignoring Kobato's typical ramblings.

I'd been worried that Kobato was having trouble fitting into her class, but... is she actually really popular...?

Now that I think about it, even counting the time before we stopped constantly moving around and came here, not once have I ever seen Kobato getting teased or bullied.

"I want to see it! I totally want to see Kobato-chan's movie! I'm definitely going to see it!"

In response to Sena's excitement, Kobato said, "Uu~, An-chan, she's creepy..." with a face that looked like she was about to cry.

Need I go further? There's plenty of more material. No way in hell that Kodaka can trust Sena with anything one on one related when it comes to Kobato. We seen the result of that when they spent the night that one time. Unless she changes her creepy old man role for Kobato I don't see anything changing anytime soon...

darkvader68 · 2012-07-28, 14:59

Its not uncle btw it sister... I mistaken her for her sister when I first watched the anime to be honest... However I thought Vol. 8 was the last volume or is that a bad rumor(most likely). The point trust Sena and Kobato in a room alone... That point stands completely and utterly true. No way anyone would allow that.

theory28 · 2012-07-28, 15:33

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Originally Posted by darkvader68

Its not uncle btw it sister... I mistaken her for her sister when I first watched the anime to be honest... However I thought Vol. 8 was the last volume or is that a bad rumor(most likely). The point trust Sena and Kobato in a room alone... That point stands completely and utterly true. No way anyone would allow that.

He meant creepy uncle in the "kimochiwarui ojii-san" trope sense - not literally as an uncle.

mironicus · 2012-07-28, 15:35

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As to the why does he entrust her so many things about Kobato? Meaning what? For a birthday gift, and? That's two different things than being in person.

You really can't find a good reason? If Kodaka starts to talk about Kobato, he gets Sena's full attention. He found a way to get closer to her just by talking about his sister. That's all.

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No way in hell that Kodaka can trust Sena with anything one on one related when it comes to Kobato.

Who said something about "trust"? He tolerates her doing that all the time.
Those elements are mainly repetitive antics for the audience, it's fun to watch and Kodaka does not take it very serious. You are more tinted than myself if you just reduce Sena for being a pervert.

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I'd be more worried that Sena is getting all this coverage now that we know up until now has been a mere prologue.

The point about the prologue could also be just a trolling from the author. Sena's confession forces Kodaka to make a decision. If the relationships are settled between them, there is not much else to tell. The next volume could also be the last one. The Plus Manga also ended after the relationships were settled.

Johnny · 2012-07-28, 17:18

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Originally Posted by mironicus

You really can't find a good reason? If Kodaka starts to talk about Kobato, he gets Sena's full attention. He found a way to get closer to her just by talking about his sister. That's all.

Once again nothing but your own tainted interpretations. There's no real proof to show that Kodaka uses Kobato to get close to Sena. He doesn't and or hasn't thought about those lines of thought too seriously if not at all...

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Who said something about "trust"? He tolerates her doing that all the time. Those elements are mainly repetitive antics for the audience, it's fun to watch and Kodaka does not take it very serious. You are more tinted than myself if you just reduce Sena for being a pervert.

Oh so when it comes to Sena's antics they're all for laughs and not to be taken seriously, but if it's someone else i.e Yozora and the flyswatter it's a sign that she's mentally damaged or has the need to be some brutal tyrant trying to rule over everyone in the club with an iron flyswatter? Like I said previously there's not one objective interpretation in anything you point out...

If Sena isn't being a pervert at those those time then I sure in the hell need to revise my definition of pervert...

Tainted, nah I like all the characters in the LN for the most equally and maybe I'm more naturally inclined to like big boobed characters more. It's my Achilles's heel, sue me. However, I don't ignore what's actually going on in the story and wander off into big breast Lala land just because I want a particular girl to be the end one...

I'd be more inclined to go with my earlier guess of an ambiguous ending, but wouldn't say no to him taking them all. Well minus Kobato and maybe Maria for quite a few years...

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The point about the prologue could also be just a trolling from the author. Sena's confession forces Kodaka to make a decision. If the relationships are settled between them, there is not much else to tell. The next volume could also be the last one. The Plus Manga also ended after the relationships were settled.

No, I doubt he'd say that just to troll. I'm sure he likes money just like all the rest of us do. Not commenting on the manga because it's irrelevant...

jandkas · 2012-08-10, 11:39

Could anyone give me a quick run down of Vol.8? Like any important events, slapstick/comedy, characters being cute.

sky black swordman · 2012-08-10, 20:55

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Originally Posted by jandkas

Could anyone give me a quick run down of Vol.8? Like any important events, slapstick/comedy, characters being cute.

Here is link to a post that may help with this somewhat.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=1022

jandkas · 2012-08-10, 23:37

Also, since Vol.8 isn't the end it seems like it will go for a few more volumes. However how do you think it is going to end? Harem, Yozora, or Sena?

sky black swordman · 2012-08-11, 04:17

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Originally Posted by jandkas

Also, since Vol.8 isn't the end it seems like it will go for a few more volumes. However how do you think it is going to end? Harem, Yozora, or Sena?

The Harem end ? I wish.
The way things look it maybe Sena.
But people on are saying that Sena peaked to early to be the end girl or something like that.

jandkas · 2012-08-11, 04:40

In BokuTomo Plus Sena got to be the main girl, but maybe in the light novels it might be Yozora.

Flere821 · 2012-08-11, 06:48

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Originally Posted by jandkas

In BokuTomo Plus Sena got to be the main girl, but maybe in the light novels it might be Yozora.

Didn't that end

Spoiler for Sukunai+ spoiler:

I was kinda thinking Sukunai+ ended because there's no longer any point of a Sena alternative when the main route was already focused on Sena

jandkas · 2012-08-11, 07:00

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Originally Posted by Flere821

Didn't that end

Spoiler for Sukunai+ spoiler:

I was kinda thinking Sukunai+ ended because there's no longer any point of a Sena alternative when the main route was already focused on Sena

Well I thought it was like, alternate universe, in which Sena and Kodaka created the Neighbors Club, and later on they actually have a relationship which is why it ended. Also I think that since Yozora created the Neighbors Club in the light novels so it might end with Yozora instead.

frivolity · 2012-08-11, 08:31

Whether or not the ending of Sukunai+ is indicative of the ending of the light novels is still open to speculation. It could be a sign of things to come, but it could very well be an alternative route that's meant to placate Sena's huge fanbase before an adverse ending. One anime that did take this route is Onegai Twins, in which the manga and anime endings differed.

The discussion about Sena peaking too early is still fresh from a few pages back, but one thing that struck me is that many Chinese readers seem to share the same observations. I was looking through one of the Chinese light novel forums, and its members also mentioned the same arguments about how they felt as though things wouldn't go well for Sena. Similar to the stuff I posted in this thread, the Chinese readers talked about something akin to momentum and how Sena was moving too quickly to be the end girl.

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mironicus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011	He did not had any choices because there was no one he could take serious about love - that changed after Sena's confession. If you replace "Someone" with "Sena" you know what I really meant with this sentence. Spoiler: The stability of the club was maintained as long there was no clear loving choice for Kodaka. He ignored any approaches because he did not take them seriously. He was running away after Sena's confession and did not attend the club any more. Last edited by mironicus; 2012-07-28 at 07:01.

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jandkas Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012	Vol.8 Could anyone give me a quick run down of Vol.8? Like any important events, slapstick/comedy, characters being cute.

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Johnny Working the bags... Join Date: Mar 2009	PSP game means squat since this is the light novel area and it never happened. As far as I can tell he doesn't trust Sena with Kobato as much as you think he does, and Kobato herself is terrified of Sena. The other stuff mentioned is just your own interpretation. Nothing concrete in anything you pointed out...

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darkvader68 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	I don't think anyone trust Sena with Kobato... She is a little delusional on that aspect... Like I said they all have personal downfalls and that Sena for sure. However he doesn't really attempt to stop her... So by all means he has a point now I feel sorry for Kobato lol. Majority of the time its Yoz who stops Sena.

2012-07-28, 14:59	Link #1109
darkvader68 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Its not uncle btw it sister... I mistaken her for her sister when I first watched the anime to be honest... However I thought Vol. 8 was the last volume or is that a bad rumor(most likely). The point trust Sena and Kobato in a room alone... That point stands completely and utterly true. No way anyone would allow that.

2012-08-10, 23:37	Link #1115
jandkas Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012	Also, since Vol.8 isn't the end it seems like it will go for a few more volumes. However how do you think it is going to end? Harem, Yozora, or Sena?

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jandkas Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012	In BokuTomo Plus Sena got to be the main girl, but maybe in the light novels it might be Yozora.

2012-08-11, 08:31	Link #1120
frivolity My posts are frivolous Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 35	Whether or not the ending of Sukunai+ is indicative of the ending of the light novels is still open to speculation. It could be a sign of things to come, but it could very well be an alternative route that's meant to placate Sena's huge fanbase before an adverse ending. One anime that did take this route is Onegai Twins, in which the manga and anime endings differed. The discussion about Sena peaking too early is still fresh from a few pages back, but one thing that struck me is that many Chinese readers seem to share the same observations. I was looking through one of the Chinese light novel forums, and its members also mentioned the same arguments about how they felt as though things wouldn't go well for Sena. Similar to the stuff I posted in this thread, the Chinese readers talked about something akin to momentum and how Sena was moving too quickly to be the end girl.