Medaka Box [Manga]

[Lummie]

Originally Posted by Used Can

I'll post some translation a nice Anon posted:

That saves me from doing it, thanks

[cronur]

well from what i ve seen i think that zen don´t really fightback when medaka was hittin him, it apears that he only want to do things by the way of honor and truth(like the old samurais do), whith no lies nor misunderstanding nor acting, not like the way that medaka and aijimu do things, so is more probably that he didn´t put any resistence when medaka kick his ass

and medaka... medaka is becoming the embodiment of selfish, pride and greed

the way she thinks is selfish she says for the sake of others but in reallity is for herself, so she don´t be bored, so it can be more amusing, so it can enjoy the show, so it can have a really fun fight with someone who love her more than anyone else in the world, with the one who has been by her side suffering for her, and she did things the way she think is fine only for the sake of having a good fight.

i been thinking of her like someone very wicked, greed, selfcentred and selfish since the start of this series, but every ch has only reinforce those thoughs, by the way she thinks of change the world to fit his standarts and ideals based only in what she tough is right and good (it sound like a villan to me), when she can´t truly understand the people that is most close to her(even the laws need to be made based into empaty and understanding to be fair and equal, what could do a person who can´t really understand to other people? ), she is really is some wicked person, i cant see her like a hero, i see her like some kind of falle hero or a idiot hero (in can vary).

and what ajimu says about the battle of heroes, being the more heroic wins, it can be seen like the stronger the opponent the more difficult to overcome, and there is something more heroic than beat someone who's invincible?

finaly just think who has more merit? medaka defeating zen or zen defeating medaka?

ps sorry if my english is bad U-U

[Westlo]

Spoiler for 118:

So Medaka just beat the shit out of Zen using a new mode (based on Kumagawa's bookmaker) that made her weaker than Zen?

lol.... isn't it funny how so many insults thrown @ medaka in this thread just collapse when you actually know what happens? Oh well it is a tradition of this thread after all! omg Medaka is blushing @ this new guy! etc etc

[Soji]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Spoiler for 118:

So Medaka just beat the shit out of Zen using a new mode (based on Kumagawa's bookmaker) that made her weaker than Zen?

lol.... isn't it funny how so many insults thrown @ medaka in this thread just collapse when you actually know what happens? Oh well it is a tradition of this thread after all! omg Medaka is blushing @ this new guy! etc etc

Spoiler for spoiler:

I think you misunderstood this mode.
Is true what you said about that mode ,but you forget something here..

"In other words I won't have to worry about skill or hold back, and go all out instead"

Do not know about you but I think it is less dangerous than someone strong who holds himself/herself back than a weaker that going all out.
Plus with the damage shown in the room ,I don't think is so weaker like she want us to belivede.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by Soji

Spoiler for spoiler:

I think you misunderstood this mode.
Is true what you said about that mode ,but you forget something here..

Do not know about you but I think it is less dangerous than someone strong who holds himself/herself back than a weaker that going all out.
Plus with the damage shown in the room ,I don't think is so weaker like she want us to belivede.

Spoiler:

She means she can go all out in that she doesn't have to hold back since her normal strength + her real power up modes is far beyond Zen's. (which a few people would've argued with before... lol) As for the dmg she caused it's nothing Zen couldn't have done himself, it's just that Medaka is a better fighter than Kumagawa and Zen when brought to their levels or just below in the case of the later.

It's the perfect handicap system for Medaka, and what she did was a far cry from what people were saying about her new power up when the first pics of Zen getting beat to a pulp leaked

[Tenchi Hou Take]

Originally Posted by Soji

Spoiler for spoiler:

I think you misunderstood this mode.
Is true what you said about that mode ,but you forget something here..

Do not know about you but I think it is less dangerous than someone strong who holds himself/herself back than a weaker that going all out.
Plus with the damage shown in the room ,I don't think is so weaker like she want us to belivede.

Spoiler:

Actually not really, if you consider that Zen could most probably do the same amount of then if you you consider Medaka to be slightly weaker than him in that mode it makes sense.

There is obviously lot more factors that determine a fight a fight than weak and strong, looking at it that way is quite naive.

A person weaker (slower, physically weaker, less experience etc) can beat a stronger person if their styles don't match up or if said person has no experience of said style while the other person has etc. Mental tactics also play a large part.

Then you have the most obvous answer as to why Zen lost to a weaker Medaka which is that he didn't mentally resolve his mind enough. It was a sudden battle and I doubt he had properly prepared himself to properly facing Medaka (the person who he has been following and attempting to protect for several years).

That was also most likely the reason medaka did the surprise attack.

[Soji]

Westlo @

Spoiler for spoiler:

True, but if you think about the first time that the image has appeared with the new mode we thought it was an improved version of the Mars mode (a bit like Mars Mode was for the Perses mode).
so you can blame people for thinking that way (I thought that in the first place than that mode was stronger that mars mode.)
Finally, after reading your post I agree with you.

Tenchi Hou Take@

Spoiler for spoiler:

I see what you mean make sense.
After all, when Medaka had attacked Zen his face was both surprised and angry.
So I suppose during all the fight he try to be more defensive. Maybe that's why we have not seen the fight but the end result.

[Last Carpet]

OK...I don't get this.

Medaka beat Zen using a technique that makes her weaker than her opponent.

That I can understand (somewhat)

What I can't tell is what she thinks she's accomplishing.

Making him stronger so he'll be a better enemy?
But what'll that do?

Does she think she can reform him so he'll be a stronger ally?
Who's to say Zen will win or not, and what effect the victory or failure will have on him.

And even then, what'll happen after that?
She doesn't know he's joining the Flask Plan, and he's finally realized that Medaka never needed him around.

Whether he wins or loses, I don't think he'll go back to Medaka like everything was the same again.

This could go so many different ways.

[Tenchi Hou Take]

Originally Posted by Last Carpet

OK...I don't get this.

Medaka beat Zen using a technique that makes her weaker than her opponent.

That I can understand (somewhat)

What I can't tell is what she thinks she's accomplishing.

Making him stronger so he'll be a better enemy?
But what'll that do?

Does she think she can reform him so he'll be a stronger ally?
Who's to say Zen will win or not, and what effect the victory or failure will have on him.

And even then, what'll happen after that?
She doesn't know he's joining the Flask Plan, and he's finally realized that Medaka never needed him around.

Whether he wins or loses, I don't think he'll go back to Medaka like everything was the same again.

This could go so many different ways.

Going back to Medaka like how it was before was never his intension nor do i think it was Medaka intension when she devised this plan. What Zens wants out of this is to become her equal both physically and also within general respect, and I think that's what Medaka wants also. She wants an equal and doesn't really care if they're her enemy or not. She probably prefers them to be her enemy since she enjoys fighting.

She most probably also realised this quite recently as the reason why she likes Zen. Since she see's him as someone who could one day accompany her at the lonely top.

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Last Carpet

OK...I don't get this.

This could go so many different ways.

Frankly, I don't think Medaka is really thinking that far ahead in regards to the consequences of her actions.

Let's look at it this way.

The way Medaka acted clearly implied that she devised her 'Zenkichi Action Plan' when she was analysing and reformulating her 'assessment' of him back in 116.

Before Zen was even given the said offer.

I assume that Medaka is thinking it would all probably be fine and dandy just as it had always been. Beyond everything else, as much of a bitch Medaka can be at times, the fact is that she had always trusted Zenkichi. Zenkichi was the one person who would gladly give his life for her and she knows that for a fact.

The problem now is that Medaka is taking it for granted.

On the other hand, Zen is struggling with the disillusion that everything that he had sacrificed for Medaka his entire life... was something that Medaka could easily discard away in a mere few seconds after a 'recalculation of worth.'

Which is why this arc has merit if, and only if Zenkichi himself doesn't take what he would be going through for granted.

[yuzen003]

Zen can stomp hard enough to cause a small tremor powerfull enough to shake a building, he can continue to fight with with 5 weapons embedded in his back, and can run up the side of a building while carrying a person. He's ridiculously strong for a normal so being slightly weaker then that is still super human and considering Medaka has mastered any martial art she has ever tried (we know she has tried judo at the very least) she can do a lot of damage even if she is "weaker".

Medaka proves Anshin'in was right, she cares more for a fight then a peaceful day with loved ones. Medaka is coming off as a blood knight here because she's willing to turn allies into enemies because it will be more interesting. She probably has a deeper plan then just turning Zen into an enemy to enjoy the fight, but at the moment Medaka is not looking very admirable for beating the heck out of her oldest friend.

[Kusa-San]

Medaka is scary and crazy. She doesn't care about Zen's feeling. She only thinks about herself. The whole "Zen is more interesting as an ennemy" is a proof of that. She deson't care if Zen is her freind or not. She only want him to be interesting for her. She doesn't know the menaing of the word : "Friendship". She is a godess.

[Homura7]

Hahahaha, same old Medaka, same old. Only doing things to her own benefit. Can't wait for the day where this is gonna backfire.

And call me crazy, but I would say the new introduced character is Zen's self from the future, who just happened to change his identity for the occasion. I think this because of what he says after introducing himself to Zenkichi.

[Grey]

Originally Posted by Sol Falling

Anyway, on Zen. I knew this already, but seems like this episode told us that Zenkichi being a lapdog was entirely his own fault?

When you put it that way, it's like the situation Akune just went through.

Which was a bit weird when I think of it. It's not like Akune changed obviously--he still follows Medaka like before. I guess it's meant to be a subtle change like "now Akune is willing to challenge Medaka" maybe.

Medaka did want Shiranui and then Kumagawa as VP--someone to oppose her. Now she approves of Zen challenging her, and Ajimu says she values facing enemies more than being with loved ones (not that we can take her word as gospel).... As a parody of shounen heroes, this is an interesting take.

For once, I'm a bit interested in Medaka's character. I wonder where Nisio will go with this.

Originally Posted by Used Can

I'll post some translation a nice Anon posted:

Spoiler for a:

Spoiler for Cover:

Text on the sides reads
"Firm future over precious memories."

118: Trying to change

Spoiler for Page 2:

""Generally cicadas are said to have life span of seven days"
"but their actual life span is longer"
"It seems they can't handle the pressure of being observed by someone and die early from stress"
"Well that aside Zenkichi"
"You're so weak that you're not even worth talking about"

Spoiler for Page 5:

"Now that it's come to this there's no point in hiding it anymore"
"All five of us are Not Equal and Ajimu Najimi"

"I had a feeling that they were one"
"so that means..."

"Whaat? You guys are Not Equals?"
"You guys have been deceiving us this entire time you traitors!"

"Cut the damn act!!"

"Akune-senpai, now that you know our identity, you can imagine how Anshin'in-san manipulated Hitoyoshi senpai can't you? That's why he can't back down now"
"Right Hitoyoshi-senpai?"

"I..."

Spoiler for Page 6:

"What..!? Why did You hit yourself..!?"

*falls unconscious

"What.. What happened to Hitoyoshi-senpai?"
"Was he about to say something...?"

"He was probably going to say something shameless like 'boo-hoo I was being manipulated by Anshin'in-san so it's not my fault'"

Spoiler for Page 11:

"Kurokami Maguro, Emukae Mukae, and Shiranui Hansode"
"I know those three will for sure, but there must be more"
"As far as I know Anshin'in-san talked to Nabeshima-senpai and Kanoya-kun too, even though they declined"
"Anyway she's trying to gather people who favor Hitoyoshi over Kurokami"

"There must be lot more who supports him in this school"
"So you all better think about what to do"
"Hitoyoshi Zenkichi vs. Kurokami Medaka"
"Who are you going to side on this battle?"

"....!!"

"Well she's outdone us"
"If she went this far not to fight against Medaka-san, we can't win against her strategy"

Spoiler for Page 12:

"She chose not to fight"
"This is most useful strategy against us because whether by violence or peacefully, we've always been fighting and winning after that"
"Organizations tend to split apart without someone there to fight against"

"So most organization tend to act with enemies in mind but she refused to be our enemy"

"She's being especially smart on not putting Medaka-san into a pinch"
"Because if she did Medaka-san's old enemies would come to help her"

"Picking Hitoyoshi-kun was excellent choice"
"Now this looks nothing more than a quarrel within the group"

" 'The two who used to be in Flask plan and Shiranui-chan siding with Zenkichi-chan will hurt us too' "
" 'Because Anshi'in-san probably wants to reinforce Zenkichi-chan with her Flask Plan' "

"Akune-dono, um, what should we do?"

Spoiler for Page 13:

"It doesn't matter what your identity is, you're still Medaka-san's successor"
"You'll keep doing the program"

"But think what you're going to do from now on"
"Will you side with Medaka-san or Hitoyoshi-kun?"

"Wait Kurokami-san! What's going on?"
"What you just did isn't right! Hey!"

"Let's apologize to him that you've gone too far!"
"Isn't Hitoyoshi-kun someone special to you Kurokami-san!?"

Spoiler for Page 14:

"...Treasurer Kikaijima"
"There is no such thing as special person in this world"

"...."
"And I haven't gone too far"
"That Haishin mode I showed is a mode where I can't go too far"

"It's a minor change to Kumagawa's Book Maker"
"It's a skill that makes me weaker than the opponent"
"I can become weaker than anyone during that mode"

"In other words I won't have to worry about skill or hold back, and go all out instead"

Spoiler for Page 15:

"This is what I achieved during the Kyoka Gasshuku"
"Now that I mastered it, it's useless for anyone other than me"

"....."
"Come to think of it that's what the Gasshuku was..."
"Part of Flask plan... off-spring of counter measure against the minus"

"In order to understand someone who's 'weak' like Misogi-chan, become weak like them yourself"
"Now that I've experienced it no wonder chairman abolished it"

"Kurokami-san would use that kind of skill for fighting even though it's supposed to be a skill for you to understand being weak"
"I see.. I guess you couldn't have gone too far then"

"So she really CAN'T understand other people's heart"
"I guess Hitoyoshi-kun really didn't have what it takes, losing to Medaka-san in that state"

Spoiler for Page 16:

"No"
"That man will grow more"

"That's why I taunted him more than necessary"
"Hitoyoshi Zenkichi"
"He'll grow more the harder you hit him"

"I was right for liking him after all"
"But I misplaced his position"

"It's more interesting to have him as my enemy"

Spoiler for Page 17:

"Somebody carried me here?"

"You awake now Hitoyoshi-kun?"
"Aka-san's treatment is good as usual"

"Wha...? Huh? Who the hell are you?!"

Spoiler for Page 18:

"Tsurubami Kamome"
"Someone who's little closer to the MC (Medaka) than you"

Ho ho, oh man. That's definitely interesting. So Medaka wants to make Zenkichi into something like "The Rival" because he will grow more like that? And that bit about specialness...reminds me of her "she loves everyone" bit with Kumagawa. Reminds me of something Akiha said to Tohno Shiki too, IIRC.

[0rphen21]

m just hopping that her plans blows up in her face and realizes what she lost. really after all this rereading ch 70 and 71 just leaves a foul after taste in my mouth

[Endscape]

Thinking about it, it's not surprising that Medaka wants Zen to be her enemy, especially since she is fond of him, by her own admission.

From Medaka's perspective, everyone around her is either afraid of her or puts her up on a pedestal and worships her. Even Zen who has known her for 13 years, puts her up on a pedestal like that. She likes her enemies because they don't do either of those things. Sad to say, her enemies accept her more than anyone else, that's why she tends to side with them.

Medaka is already fond of Zen, so she probably thinks that if he becomes her enemy, their relationship will improve, which is what Zenkichi thinks too. But it won't be that simple, since as has been said already, their relationship is unhealthy, not to mention Ajimu running around.

[TsukiNyan]

well medaka isn't taking zen into consideration which pisses me off that she would treat him like dirt like that even if its her plan she doesn't know how zen feels about it being betrayed by his lover and all the student council themself didn't even try helping him the new guy said he was closer to the mc then zen himself so he might be important in the past well i hope zen will beat med up and doesn't go back to her well aujiumi does not want zen knowing about medeka's other father which i think is a factor in this that her other father is someone close to zen and something happened back then probably have the same father and such or something like that

[TheAlucid]

Why is it that in regards to Medaka's and Zen's fight no one thinks that it was possible that Zen was holding back? Instead assuming that Medaka was far more skilled?

I mean we can already see how much effort it took just for him to just tell Medaka how she is wrong.

[0rphen21]

Originally Posted by TheAlucid

Why is it that in regards to Medaka's and Zen's fight no one thinks that it was possible that Zen was holding back? Instead assuming that Medaka was far more skilled?

I mean we can already see how much effort it took just for him to just tell Medaka how she is wrong.

also did her new mode take into account his psychological state at the time?

[Kusa-San]

Originally Posted by TheAlucid

Why is it that in regards to Medaka's and Zen's fight no one thinks that it was possible that Zen was holding back? Instead assuming that Medaka was far more skilled?

I think that too. Zen was not ready at all. I'm pretty sure he didn't fight back.