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Malkuth · 2011-08-14, 01:30

Let me forget for a short while that I have a crap-load of work, and that some bums who in Europe would be suppressed neo-nazis, but in a certain island next to Her are subject to a sociological debate about the prospects of native youth (read: white trash); and open a tricky subject:

I completely agree that sexual objectification of females is wrong, however arousing... BUT why sexual objectification of males is OK with BOTH genders

From muscular boxers or soccer players to metro-sexual (aka gay-posers) makes chicks all around the world, independent of age, religion, or sexual direction wet, while champs and studs not only don't over-react (like feminists that became old enough to become conservative), but rather go with the flow and either waste their life on gyms and/or their money in worthless healthcare/beauty products... with the most saddening fact being that it is effective, in the context of impressing supposedly intelligent chicks

Dunno, for one looks like there are double standards, and for another pretentious if not manipulative favouritism

What's your take on the subject... discussing it IRL, led to some... interesting... arguments, but I have no otaku, fujoshi or fudanshi around me here in London, so I am very interested in your opinions

Urzu 7 · 2011-08-14, 01:53

I'm sure one factor that leads to these opposing attitudes to sexual objectification has to do with the fact that it is a male dominated world. I don't know how to put that into an explanation, but I'm sure it is a factor.

Flinch · 2011-08-14, 02:06

My guess is that men simply don't care as much.

As Katt Williams brings up in one of his stand-ups, if a guy has a problem with himself, he gets over it at a very young age.

MeoTwister5 · 2011-08-14, 02:09

As a man I'd probably be flattered if I got objectified sexually.

Probably. Won't actually know until it happens!

synaesthetic · 2011-08-14, 02:39

Speak for yourself! Men don't make me wet at all...

GundamFan0083 · 2011-08-14, 02:44

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic

Speak for yourself! Men don't make me wet at all...

Me either.

David Watts · 2011-08-14, 02:45

Yeah men dont really care
please objectify me sexually

just as long as no one laughs

Dilla · 2011-08-14, 02:45

lol, this topic reminds me of the complaints ( by men and women) of women wrestlers being objectified in the WWE, pointing to the skimpy outfits many women wrestle in. Of course, while the women wrestlers of WWE often don't get the respect that they deserve, citing the lack of clothing as an example is lame. The reason? Have you seen the gear most of the men wear?

But seriously, it's one of those 'roll with the punches' situations for me.

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

As a man I'd probably be flattered if I got objectified sexually.

If some random pretty girl came and slapped me on the ass, I. . .would probably be flattered. As shallow as it sounds, it would depend on how pretty the girl was.

MeoTwister5 · 2011-08-14, 02:56

The only time someone ever tried to hit on me as a straight male, surprisingly, was a gay guy during college. Even though I'm straight I actually take more consideration on a gay man's opinion of men than a straight woman's.

Malkuth · 2011-08-14, 02:59

For one, never wish to get objectified sexually... for what it matters, I hate it! because I always get some fat married slut or some anorexic emo loli from starring at me or even worse feeling private parts, that's the only reason I... occasionally... sympathize with oversensitive members of the opposite sex. But, god(s) damn, it sucks

As for syn, and the rest of the les crowd, ignore the wetting part, obviously it does not apply in your case

David Watts · 2011-08-14, 03:05

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Originally Posted by Malkuth

For one, never wish to get objectified sexually... for what it matters, I hate it! because I always get some fat married slut or some anorexic emo loli from starring at me or even worse feeling private parts, that's the only reason I... occasionally... sympathize with oversensitive members of the opposite sex. But, god(s) damn, it sucks

As for syn, and the rest of the les crowd, ignore the wetting part, obviously it does not apply in your case

Boy man sounds like you have it rough gettin frisked

Alchemist007 · 2011-08-14, 03:17

I agree that it has to do with the fact that, until the last few decades (arguably), it has been a male dominated world and so the attitudes are different. I'm sure there's some physiological reasons too like men enjoy sexual attention more since they're the sperm donors and not the baby carriers (Bio 101).

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

The only time someone ever tried to hit on me as a straight male, surprisingly, was a gay guy during college. Even though I'm straight I actually take more consideration on a gay man's opinion of men than a straight woman's.

If I had to simply guess, I'd say it's because the majority of people (in this case, college girls) are perceived as shallow and would make such a comment to any 'hot guy' they see. But a minority such as a gay male saying such a thing means to you that he has better taste somehow. Although I empathize your sentiment, I cannot logically make sense of it except for assuming that it's because it's a minority that made the comment (and therefore special).

Samari · 2011-08-14, 03:23

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Originally Posted by Dilla

If some random pretty girl came and slapped me on the ass, I. . .would probably be flattered. As shallow as it sounds, it would depend on how pretty the girl was.

That would be hilarious and awesome at the same time.

Flinch · 2011-08-14, 03:27

Sadly, however, the minority of higher intelligence don't gain such a benefit in comparison. Many people who think they're smart will dispute any point by one smarter as it threatens them. Gotta love people.

~~Tsuyoshi~~ · 2011-08-14, 03:30

This is one topic I never really could comprehend. I understand that if a girl gets heated up, it's fine, but if a guy starts going in heat, he gets all the strange looks. But at the same time, and here is where the paradox hits you hard in the face, a lot of girls work their hardest to look as pretty as possible to be at the very least presentable (from their pov). Now I get that women tend to also do it for themselves and not for anyone else, but what I don't get is that even then, they don't want to be checked out, and if a man does that, it's weird. The main reason I don't get this is because I don't care if someone checks me out, so I really don't see how it's wrong to check other people out for any given reason.

David Watts · 2011-08-14, 03:36

now Im not no expert but I dont think women are completely adverse to being checked out
they just dont liked getting leered at like they are a piece of meat

~~Tsuyoshi~~ · 2011-08-14, 03:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

now Im not no expert but I dont think women are completely adverse to being checked out
they just dont liked getting leered at like they are a piece of meat

It's true that they don't, but even when one isn't being checked out that way, they tend to think they are. At least from my experience (for the record, I don't leer at them like they're walking bags of flesh

)

Decagon · 2011-08-14, 04:00

I'd imagine a Fox-like conspiracy theory would be that it's the gays in the liberal media trying to propagate by subverting our country's virile young men, turning them into the next generation of gay men.

I'd imagine a neo-nazi conspiracy theory that it's a zionist plot to snub the genetic pool of the aryan race by making them into gays who have no interest in propagating the race.

I think it's more related to male physiology. Males of most species fight and compete for mating rights. Even if we have gone a ways from that mentality, we guys usually are more rearing to get into fights or confrontations than women. The ideal of a sexed up muscle man probably presents two major ideas--a 'fit', or 'peak' condition body, and (generally) eliciting some hot-blooded confrontational response in guy viewers. It's like a challenge.

David Watts · 2011-08-14, 04:36

I think its all about how you view yourself
If you think you have a bangin bod you might feel better about showing it off
but if your all self conscious and embarrassed there is no way in hell your letting anyone see it
I don't think there is a difference between the sexes in that regard

Kylaran · 2011-08-14, 06:57

This topic actually reminds me of so called "reverse racism", where Whites (to be more politically correct in American terms, White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, or WASPs) talk about how minority rights have taken a turn for the worse and can be used to be racist towards them. I think there's also similar worries about South Africa developing a poor White community.

I don't have a good response to this, except that objectivizing has always existed and always will be, despite the efforts of whoever wants to try and eliminate that.

2011-08-14, 01:30	Link #1
Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43	Sexual Objectification Let me forget for a short while that I have a crap-load of work, and that some bums who in Europe would be suppressed neo-nazis, but in a certain island next to Her are subject to a sociological debate about the prospects of native youth (read: white trash); and open a tricky subject: I completely agree that sexual objectification of females is wrong, however arousing... BUT why sexual objectification of males is OK with BOTH genders From muscular boxers or soccer players to metro-sexual (aka gay-posers) makes chicks all around the world, independent of age, religion, or sexual direction wet, while champs and studs not only don't over-react (like feminists that became old enough to become conservative), but rather go with the flow and either waste their life on gyms and/or their money in worthless healthcare/beauty products... with the most saddening fact being that it is effective, in the context of impressing supposedly intelligent chicks Dunno, for one looks like there are double standards, and for another pretentious if not manipulative favouritism What's your take on the subject... discussing it IRL, led to some... interesting... arguments, but I have no otaku, fujoshi or fudanshi around me here in London, so I am very interested in your opinions Last edited by Malkuth; 2011-08-14 at 01:47.

2011-08-14, 01:53	Link #2
Urzu 7 Juanita/Kiteless Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New England Age: 40	I'm sure one factor that leads to these opposing attitudes to sexual objectification has to do with the fact that it is a male dominated world. I don't know how to put that into an explanation, but I'm sure it is a factor. __________________

2011-08-14, 02:06	Link #3
Flinch Onii-chan~ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Einzbern Castle Age: 32	My guess is that men simply don't care as much. As Katt Williams brings up in one of his stand-ups, if a guy has a problem with himself, he gets over it at a very young age. __________________

2011-08-14, 02:09	Link #4
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	As a man I'd probably be flattered if I got objectified sexually. Probably. Won't actually know until it happens! __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2011-08-14, 02:39	Link #5
synaesthetic blinded by blood Author Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Oakland, CA Age: 40	Speak for yourself! Men don't make me wet at all... __________________ Indie science fiction author and all-around weirdo: Check out my original fiction here! Read an excerpt from my sci-fi novel Binary System!

2011-08-14, 02:45	Link #7
David Watts Stay Free Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Texas Age: 32	Yeah men dont really care please objectify me sexually just as long as no one laughs __________________ But go easy... Step lightly... Stay free...

2011-08-14, 02:56	Link #9
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	The only time someone ever tried to hit on me as a straight male, surprisingly, was a gay guy during college. Even though I'm straight I actually take more consideration on a gay man's opinion of men than a straight woman's. __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2011-08-14, 02:59	Link #10
Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43	For one, never wish to get objectified sexually... for what it matters, I hate it! because I always get some fat married slut or some anorexic emo loli from starring at me or even worse feeling private parts, that's the only reason I... occasionally... sympathize with oversensitive members of the opposite sex. But, god(s) damn, it sucks As for syn, and the rest of the les crowd, ignore the wetting part, obviously it does not apply in your case

2011-08-14, 03:27	Link #14
Flinch Onii-chan~ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Einzbern Castle Age: 32	Sadly, however, the minority of higher intelligence don't gain such a benefit in comparison. Many people who think they're smart will dispute any point by one smarter as it threatens them. Gotta love people. __________________

2011-08-14, 03:30	Link #15
~~Tsuyoshi~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Great Justice	This is one topic I never really could comprehend. I understand that if a girl gets heated up, it's fine, but if a guy starts going in heat, he gets all the strange looks. But at the same time, and here is where the paradox hits you hard in the face, a lot of girls work their hardest to look as pretty as possible to be at the very least presentable (from their pov). Now I get that women tend to also do it for themselves and not for anyone else, but what I don't get is that even then, they don't want to be checked out, and if a man does that, it's weird. The main reason I don't get this is because I don't care if someone checks me out, so I really don't see how it's wrong to check other people out for any given reason.

2011-08-14, 03:36	Link #16
David Watts Stay Free Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Texas Age: 32	now Im not no expert but I dont think women are completely adverse to being checked out they just dont liked getting leered at like they are a piece of meat __________________ But go easy... Step lightly... Stay free...

2011-08-14, 04:00	Link #18
Decagon This was meaningless Scanlator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Not on this site no more. Age: 36	I'd imagine a Fox-like conspiracy theory would be that it's the gays in the liberal media trying to propagate by subverting our country's virile young men, turning them into the next generation of gay men. I'd imagine a neo-nazi conspiracy theory that it's a zionist plot to snub the genetic pool of the aryan race by making them into gays who have no interest in propagating the race. I think it's more related to male physiology. Males of most species fight and compete for mating rights. Even if we have gone a ways from that mentality, we guys usually are more rearing to get into fights or confrontations than women. The ideal of a sexed up muscle man probably presents two major ideas--a 'fit', or 'peak' condition body, and (generally) eliciting some hot-blooded confrontational response in guy viewers. It's like a challenge.

2011-08-14, 04:36	Link #19
David Watts Stay Free Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Texas Age: 32	I think its all about how you view yourself If you think you have a bangin bod you might feel better about showing it off but if your all self conscious and embarrassed there is no way in hell your letting anyone see it I don't think there is a difference between the sexes in that regard __________________ But go easy... Step lightly... Stay free...

2011-08-14, 06:57	Link #20
Kylaran A Priori Impossibility Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Age: 33	This topic actually reminds me of so called "reverse racism", where Whites (to be more politically correct in American terms, White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, or WASPs) talk about how minority rights have taken a turn for the worse and can be used to be racist towards them. I think there's also similar worries about South Africa developing a poor White community. I don't have a good response to this, except that objectivizing has always existed and always will be, despite the efforts of whoever wants to try and eliminate that.