2010-10-13, 20:24 | Link #18101 | |
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-> Blow off the cousins to hang out with Gohda. -> A mystery? Gohda can help! -> I knew you were the culprit! Gohda's incompetence made everything clear somehow! -> Have Gohda punch the culprit until they give up. -> Fist bump. Ultimate Battler/Gohda Bromance End is clearly the intended canon resolution.
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They almost made up for this sin in the finale, though: Spoiler:
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Although Zero does come to mind as the one existence capable of being Battler's love rival for Beato's affections. Damn the possibilities that will now only ever be related by shoddy fan fiction. Quote:
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2010-10-14, 08:19 | Link #18105 | |
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2010-10-14, 08:48 | Link #18107 | |
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Therefore I think the battle between Clair and Will in EP7 was something like a final resumé of all the crimes and clues we have so far. You already mentioned once that things like that were often done during the Golden Age and I can testify that it happens in modern Japanese detective fiction a lot too. Just before the resolution chapter starts, either the I-narrator or (if there is none) the general narrator sums up all the mysteries that we came upon and formulates it as a challenge for the reader to try and solve them now, before the detective does. I would find it pretty funny if the choice-system in EP8 (if there really is one and Ryûkishi wasn't just toying with us) was based on our understanding of Umineko and how we put together clues from the prior Episodes. Like 1) Return to the guesthouse 2) Ask Rudolph again 3) Go hide and wait for something to happen ... well okay, just more elaborate of course. And I'm still pretty psyched to learn who that とあるキャラクタ (certain character) is, from whose perspective we are going to make choices. Will it be a detective or a murderer?
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2010-10-14, 09:15 | Link #18108 |
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The problem with とある is that, whilst you can literally translate it as "a certain," when it comes down to its use, it does not necessarily refers to some particular object, but simply to an object (not any in particular).
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2010-10-14, 11:15 | Link #18109 | |
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If that will be the trait of being a certain character we know or some other is o course not certain, but とある does not denote something without particular traits. Using that you always have a certain image in your mind like 'とある夏の夜'. Of course that can be translated as 'a summernight', but it refers to a particular summernight in the mind of the person uttering it.
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2010-10-14, 14:35 | Link #18110 | |
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Maybe even an Ackroydish ending where we think we are playing as the detective, but it turns out to be the culprit. I don't know about the past mysteries though, I have a feeling that episode 7 is about as much of an answer as we are going to get for episodes 1-4. Well, the battle did still serve to remind us of the greater mystery though, so it definitely counts as a summation. My biggest hope is that we get to find the culprit in a classical "detective points at the criminal" kind of way, but I am not expecting it will end that way. |
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2010-10-14, 17:41 | Link #18111 | |
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That being said, the described system is more or less how I imagined it when it was first brought up, any other way would seem incredibly underwhelming. |
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2010-10-15, 08:11 | Link #18113 | |
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However, depending on the context, とある can also be rather vague without it necessarily pointing out anything specific. This is the case for "とあるキャラクターになりきって、主観で選択肢を選ぶ". It can either mean: 1. You'll become a (certain) character (as in, R07 knows which character, but he won't tell you), and you'll make choices from his point of view. 2. You'll become a character (none in particular - it can be any of them), and you'll make choices from his point of view. This is why I'm saying there's also the chance than in EP8 we will not play the role of one character alone, but maybe several of them. Thus, we can see the same situation from several perspectives. Of course, it is also possible we'll also play the game from the perspective of only one character. But, until we get more information, we cannot tell exactly whether we'll only play from the perspective of one particular character, or from the perspective of different characters (one at a time, of course).
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