2003-11-19, 13:10 | Link #1 |
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Views Needed - Best Fansubber of Kiminozo??
Several fansub groups are doing this series so I was wondering which group you guys feel do the best job at translating and in video quailty. Personally, I am using Lunar Anime's, but that's mainly because they seem to be the first ones to put out new releases. Never been dissatisified with their video quality and haven't heard of any major complaints of translating errors. Which version do the rest of you prefer?
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2003-11-19, 17:34 | Link #5 |
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The colors in Onigiri seem washed out, but I prefer their translation over Lunar's.
Onigiri and Lunar Anime video comparison image (166 KB) :shrug: |
2003-11-19, 17:58 | Link #6 | |
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2003-11-19, 20:50 | Link #7 |
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I thought there was a thread on this not long time ago? Maybe it was gone with the old forum.
Anyways, I'm following Lunar's version. I don't like a-k's TL/edit and Ishin is a bit slower in release. Lunar has done a decent job in most of the categories and it's usually the first to come out. |
2003-11-19, 21:21 | Link #8 | |
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2003-11-19, 21:47 | Link #9 | |
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Anyway, the colors aren't that big a deal to me. Last edited by Nothing Special; 2003-11-19 at 22:20. Reason: Ha! So that's what this "Reason ..." field is for. |
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2003-12-09, 13:03 | Link #12 |
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We never came out with a v2, that was onigiri. Our eps are sized that way so they would fit on CD better. The eps were blury becase that was the TV source we were able to get, there was no control over that, and it wasn't so much that it was blury, but if you notice the lines were doubling up, that is a TV error and not caused by the encode. I keep our's larger for the fact to preserve details and quality (little dents in the road, YAY, LOL). If it's not licensed we may we do a DVD release later or something (don't know, I'm not in charge of the project).
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2003-12-09, 18:33 | Link #13 | |
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Dont listen to those ungrateful #$%$%%&.........Lunar is doing a GREAT JOB!!! THANKS!!!!! |
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2003-12-09, 19:23 | Link #14 |
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"Our eps are sized that way so they would fit on CD better."
So needlessly bloating the file and wasting 100s of gigabytes of bandwidth makes it fit better? Kiminozo is a drama series -- there is NO way in hell it needs to be over 175mb, and the 140mb should be the same as well unless the person doesn't know what their doing. Sorry, wasteful filesizes just to fill every space bit on a 10cent CD is one of my pet peeves :P |
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There's a major quality difference between 140mb and 175mb-releases. If you don't know that it's you who doesn't know what he's talking about. 14 eps means 4 CDs unless you smooth the video into oblivion for 140mb-releases. So can divide it 3-4-4-3 or 4-4-4-2. What's making more sense, hm? I'll gladly take the extra bits in exchange for well-filled CDs and a few more details. If you don't like it, download the 140mb-versions, cool. But there's no reason for a haughty tirade like this from an encoding noob like you. Quote:
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2003-12-10, 00:35 | Link #16 |
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You Compression Dorks need a life.
Lunar Ownzores, you little "Compression Size Ratio to the Polygonal Triatholon Rectangle Is slightly off in Lunar's Version *Snorts snot and pushes glasses up*" Jeebus Chrisp Lunar's Are faster and I like the Easy to read Subtitles plus you get what you download |
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My point was that the file being over 175mb doesn't have any "better details" no matter how much larger you make it. I could encode a raw into a 1gig file, does that make it DVD quality? Especially when the raws themselves are usually under 200mb to begin with. I had the raw transport streams for most of the Onegai Twins episodes (~1.4gigs each from satellite) and the AE/Keep encodes look basically identical, and possibly a little better after a light cleanup for example. Quote:
Or consider a super-popular series like Naruto which gets around 25,000 downloads per episode. Every 13 episodes it would waste 17.04tb of bandwidth. In summary, my point was not to encode them smaller to the point you lose detail, it was not to encode them larger for no gain, simply because they fill the space on the CD. I don't like swinging around my encoding experience like an ego-trip, but you asked for it. |
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2003-12-10, 07:40 | Link #18 | |
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OK than.......if u dont like it, just dont download it......and do it urself if you are so great and powerful.......btw atleast finish Tenshi na Konamaiki....... -_- |
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I'm coming from an encoding background which specializes in DVD sources. While I like my releases clean aswell, the current fansubber trend to smooth the sources into oblivion is horrifying to me. The main reason why "dark areas" tend to take "less bitrate" is very simple: Dark areas have less contrasts, so the popular smoothing filters kill the detail much more aggressively than daylight scenes with enhanced contrasts. This is why for example most Tsukihime encodes look plain terrible in the dark even though the source itself is exceptional. I wouldn't go as far as you and say that my personal opinion of how encodes should look like is the right one. For those obsessed to minimize the target sizes in exchange for compromising on the quality loss - sure, just do it. Some people prefer their sausage with mustard, some with ketchup. Those who disagree with me (I prefer mustard) aren't incompetent though - which was what YOU insinuated. Quote:
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Unless you're a filtering wizard working on a screwed source, the likelihood of surpassing the RAW in quality is low (but not impossible - you can definitely improve poor DVD sources into better quality than the original). A higher bitrate however ALWAYS reduces the LOSS for the additional recompress. Quote:
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In other words, if you seed a 140mb-episode for 3 weeks, it will take you fairly exactly the same amount of traffic as a 230mb-episode. The only difference is that the fans have to stay connected a bit longer to download. Big big deal. After all, it's THEIR choice. Quote:
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2003-12-10, 11:18 | Link #20 | |
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If you weren't a total idiot you would realize the differne between a 230MB and a 175MB file. The larger file usually has better scene transitions (which this isn't THAT big of a deal) from fadeouts/fadeins and other stuff is much more crisp. Also DVDs aren't all they are cracked up to be buster....if you get a HDTV copy of a file and encode it right it will be HIGHER quality than a DVD, being the fact MPEG-2 compression is a horrible standard for DVD at that low of a resolution and bitrate. Back up with some information if you can, I assume you will post a flame after this, but don't waste your time if you don't have anything to back yourself up, cuz as of now you look like a 3 year old telling your mother how to cook!!! |
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