(CR) Hunter X Hunter Anime (2011)

[Guardian Enzo]

Originally Posted by chikkychappy

yes, because this only applies to 1999 fans right? it's not like shinobi is making a weekly comparison that bashes the 1999 series at every turn (and which you, based on your comments, obviously perceive as a "reliable" source. see how i feel this is unfair?)

many people in these thread are actually giving the 2011 series a chance. a lot are saying that this version of the fight is great, is amazing, is really good, etc. it's just that there's usually a footnote saying that they still prefer the 1999 series, which is not really being disrespectful.


anyway don't worry. when greed island comes nippon animation's version would be bashed to highest heavens. myself included, lol. (there's no way madhouse could make it worse than NA, right? RIGHT?) in fact, i find it really telling that the 1999 tv series could stand the test of time whereas GI OVAs are universally-reviled. that basically destroys that silly "nostalgia" claim

No, as I've made clear, the bashing is coming from both sides, and it's tiresome no matter what form. My point is merely that the 2011 series deserves the same chance the 1999 had for 12 years - to be judged on its own merits and how it fares as a manga adaptation.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by kitten320

If I were the author and my anger driven character got changed into self loathing type, I would be displeased.

Actually, most authors let the anime producers do whatever they want. Only in a few special cases they involve themselves with the adaptations, and mostly only as consultants. To begin with an author worth his/her salt knows the director should be free to make the adaptation based on his own vision instead of trying to copy whatever the original author intended for.

To go back to your example, if a self loathing type works for what the director is going for, I don't see any problems with it. And as far as I remember, Kurapika's characterization worked well in enough for the series back then (although I wouldn't call him self loathing myself).

As for this adaption, it's still too early to tell for sure, but so far I think Kurapika's okay.

[zeniselv]

i find funny people saying they prefer the old version for faithfullness when the reason for a reboot was that they screwed so much some events events that it wouldnt make sense later in the series.

[Kit Kat]

Originally Posted by zeniselv

i find funny people saying they prefer the old version for faithfullness when the reason for a reboot was that they screwed so much some events events that it wouldnt make sense later in the series.

Uh...what? That wasn't the reason at all. They did it to re-introduce HxH to a new audience who probably haven't even read the manga let alone watched the 1999 series.

[Clarste]

The new series also removed something that will make transitioning into future arcs harder.

[zeniselv]

Originally Posted by Kit Kat

Uh...what? That wasn't the reason at all. They did it to re-introduce HxH to a new audience who probably haven't even read the manga let alone watched the 1999 series.

Spoiler for not really.:

for one at this point killua had already overcame his assasin ways by confronting the other killua inside him in the older series, and this sole fact would had made impossible(or plothole filled) further arcs, not to mention leorio's background changes.

[vansonbee]

Originally Posted by SHINOBI-03

EPISODE 47

Spoiler for Part 1:

Manga: Second half of chapter 81, 82, most of 83, 84
Nippon’s Adaptation: Episode 56, episode 45

Both adaptations used the red moon.




In Madhouse’s adaptation we see the leeches’ eggs and yes, disgusting!



In Nippon’s adaptation we see Kurapika says a prayer.



In Nippon’s adaptation Uvo flicks the crunched beer can at Kurapika




Usually I don’t point out the differences in clothing, but Kurapika’s clothes in Nippon’s adaptation is a little different.





The dead tribe



“I feel nothing.”





I liked the performance in this moment.




KAIOKEN!!!


In the manga, Uvo shouts his attack name “Rock Storm”. He didn’t do that in both adaptations.





In Nippon’s adaptation the chain made an electrical shock sound effect which was really out of place and out of nature of the attack.



Uvo’s first punch tore off Kurapika’s sleeve. In Madhouse’s it came unscathed.





Uvo’s first shock, and I really liked the sound effect used.





Liked the animation of this attack.



The final dropkick was done differently in Nippon’s adaptation.





100%





This pose did not appear in Madhouse’s adaptation..




The fight got extended a bit in Nippon’s.



Big Bang Impact was perfect in Madhouse’s and you can totally see the damage it made. In Nippon’s… PATHETEC!! Are you telling me a punch of full force that we saw destroy a mountain and all what it does here is knock Kurapika down few feet away?!!





Madhouse’s did not mention that Uvo was targeting Kurapika’s spine.




In the manga, we Kurapika had chained up Uvo while still flying in the air. In Madhouse’s adaptation it was after landing on the mountain. In Nippon’s it on the ground. Honestly, I think Madhouse’s change is better than the manga that made him look like he was flying all the time or defying the gravity by staying in the air. But then let’s not forget Anime Law #2 - Law of Differential Gravitation- Whenever someone or something jumps, is thrown, or otherwise is rendered airborne, gravity is reduced by a factor of 4. * Some things have been known to "Float" for a few seconds before plummeting to hit the ground, vehicle, or someone’s cranium.





Uvo used gyo only in the manga.





“Capture Phase Complete”. Note the difference in Uvo’s arms’ position.

Spoiler for Part 2:

A quick scene in Nippon’s of a worried Shalnark.



Madhouse explains the situation with Kurapika’s nen type.



In Nippon’s adaptation, Kurapika takes off one lens instead of both. And to be honest, I like the heterochromic effect.






Emperor Time


Then we see what happened before with Kurapika and Mizuken. Everything was just like the manga with the exception of comparing the condition to mahjong or poker. In Nippon’s adaptation we go back to episode 45 that didn’t follow the manga as closely. In the manga, Kurapika kept ignoring Mizuken till he mentioned the possibility of conjuring an unbreakable chain. In Nippon’s adaptation we can’t tell if she went back to him or kept going and Mizuken followed her. And apparently he knows about her ploy for revenge… it’s just the beginning…!





Nippon’s adaptation shows us how conjuration works… BUT, it contradicts what Kurapika said in chapter 123. This is how his training went:


Panel 1:
-“Once I decided on chains, I began with imagery training.” – “First, I fiddled with real chains… around the clock.” – “I felt them with my eyes closed, drew thousands of pictures…” – “I tasted them, smelled them, rattled them, and stared at them for hours.” – “My teacher told me to do nothing but play with them.”

Panel 2:
-“He took away the real chains once I started to dream about them every night.” – “Eventually, I began to hallucinate them.”

Panel 3:
-“They seemed more real as the days passed, and I could even feel and hear them.” – “And one day, I found them conjured in my hands.”

In Nippon’s adaptation on the other hand, this is what we see. BTW, I experienced sitting under a waterfull, and to tell you this, it’s not as simple as it sounds like. The water hits your head and body very hard and it is too cold! I didn’t get how sitting under a waterfall is training till I tried it in real life. Back to the scene, I’m not gonna lie, the hallucination does look freakin awesome!




How did Kurapika’s aura reach the moon?!



I ask again: Are you still not sure Kurapika is meant to be a girl here? And what kind of blood is that?! And does Kurapika’s earring have a special power of some sort?! Not to mention the contradiction of how he conjured the chains as mentioned above!



Still have doubts?! Kurapika is a girl in Nippon’s adaptation and it has been proved numerous times and I don’t want any mail asking me to stop calling her a “she” to respect your feelings because the truth has been revealed and you have to accept it!!



Mizuken reminds Kurapika that she wants to become a black list hunter which what she told the captain early in the series, but here he says he knew about it from the Hunter Association. Did the association gather information about the hunters and their goals? Oh wait… that was one of Netero’s questions in the interview with the final candidates in the exam.



But then he tells her about the contract in which he should’ve told her a long time ago… but in Nippon’s adaptation he tells her it’s one of the principles of nen – something not mentioned in the manga. And instead of comparing to mahjong or poker, he compares it to running away from fire or a mouse cornered by a cat. And it didn’t show the equation. The end of their conversation was in the current episode (episode 56).

-“Just like poker or mahjong.” – “The more difficult the hand, the more it’s worth.”








Back to the current episode, we get a silent scene between them, until Mizuken starts talking about dropping revenge….



Back to the current events. Here we see the healing thumb as well as the damage the arm received earlier. The bruise in Madhouse’s is HUGE compared to Nippon’s which is natural because that failure of a punch didn’t do much impact to make a great damage!





And then the torture fest begins, along with Nippon’s second problem with the episode: Kurapika gets tormented by her torturing Uvo - one of the people who murdered her tribe and swore to kill them all! But since Furuhashi made her a girl so it’s natural that she got a more delicate heart than Madhouse’s cold hearted manly man who shows no mercy or rethink his action on his target!





Uvo’s lib moment in this moment was super cool for such a minor thing to animate!



I liked the performance and overall presentation of this scene in Madhouse better.





Stake of Retribution





Uvo’s death and burial. In the manga Kurapika didn’t show any emotions and all what he concerned was the time and energy he spent on. Mahouse made the same a masterpiece by combining the Sin City style and the deadly silence. In Nippon’s adaptation… PATHETIC! Kurapika who we saw determined to kill is now falling on her knees crying over her “crime”! And her crime was so devastating that the moon is crying with her!! But again, what’s new?! This is Furuhashi who wanted to end the series by killing Kurapika to “atone for her sins” of killing the ones who killed her tribe. We got it Furuhashi: “Revenge doesn’t pay”. But what you’ve failed to realize that this is NOT your story and you’re NOT the author to decide what the characters are!! You destroyed for us Gon and Killua and now you’ve destroyed Kurapika! Congratulations!!





In Nippon’s adaptation we see a silent scene between Shalnark and Feitan (We see Owl with them). In the manga there was a dialogue here (And we see Feitan reads a book of Trevor Brown). Madhouse skipped this scene and went straight to the meeting.

-Shal: “Is Uvo back yet?”
-Feitan: “No.” – “Don’t worry. He not die so easy.”





Unlike everybody else, I didn’t find any problem with the soundtrack. Everyone says it’s terrible and unfitting, and I repeat my question: “Do you watch other battle anime?” Because for me, the music used wasn’t out of the ordinary and got used to that style in action fight scenes. Nippon’s adaptation on the other hand was a complete failure. The deviation of Kurapika's character is by far the worst failure ever and a big evidence on Furuhashi’s faulty direction style and his view to the series, that and the fight was poorly made. ((Seriously what’s the deal with that lousy punch?!!))

9.5\10. For Madhouse of course.

Echoing what many people are thinking, thanks for putting out a comparison between the old/new.

Regarding Kura fight against Uvo, I did not mind the Nippo adaption, where Uvo punch did not send Kura a farther distance. Uvo punch looks like it was coming down, instead of rising up at Kura, plus it shows how strong Kura is. The other scene, where Kura was crying after burying Uvo, I find it nice, because it shows emotion in Kura and I liked him, for that trait. It might not be 100% faithful to the manga, but the those points, still lead to the same path.

Now, I'm just nit picking, but for Kura to be a she, it has nothing to do with having a more delicate heart or whatever. It's just Kura character to be strong type of person on the outside, but a softy in the inside.

fyi, I also liked the Nippo adaptation, where Kura had those were bug out illusions AND the one red eye + normal~

[whitecloud]

by the way we just see 4 of kurapika 5 chain right?, kurapika does have 5 ring... or does the dowsing chain sit in 2 finger since it's the most generic chain? it wont hurt to fire 2 at once

[supermegasonic]

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

Am I the only one who finds it depressing that so much of this thread is devoted to fans of either version telling the other how much their version sucks?

meh it happens, the original is a classic, and its the reason for naruto even existing in the 1st place. i was also thinking the same, becuz they did things differently, in a negative way, so ofcourse i would be pissed.
but now i think madhouse is doing an amazing job with this anime, i think the fight here was actually better than the original (though original has a handicap of being a decade old and stuff....)

but yea, like i said, this episode was awesome

[Dengar]

Re: "You have no idea what an adaptation is, do you?"

I think that's a pretty degrading way to dismiss people's opinions. Apparently people can't dislike an anime for diverging from the source material they like so much, and butchering the characters they've come to love? That's just silly.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Only the chain jail is restricted to the Spiders, so he'd still be pretty overpowered fighting anyone else.

Chain Jail is his overpowered hax move, so I'm not too sure about that. Without it he'd just have the dowsing chain to attack with.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Chain Jail is his overpowered hax move, so I'm not too sure about that. Without it he'd just have the dowsing chain to attack with.

He would still be able to use every Nen category at 100% though, which is already a pretty hax ability. We don't realize all he could do with that kinda power because right now he channels everything into his chain, but there's nothing preventing him from using other attacks or materializing other things, for instance.

[Kit Kat]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Re: "You have no idea what an adaptation is, do you?"

I think that's a pretty degrading way to dismiss people's opinions. Apparently people can't dislike an anime for diverging from the source material they like so much, and butchering the characters they've come to love? That's just silly.

Except none of that's happened. People are just nitpicking on one scene that does not diverge or change anything for the sake of nitpicking.

Originally Posted by zeniselv

]for one at this point killua had already overcame his assasin ways by confronting the other killua inside him in the older series

Wrong. He didn't overcome them, the other self was just a visual metaphor and him "conqueroring" it was o show he had found a place along side Gon which is something that's of great importance to his development.

Originally Posted by zeniselv

]
not to mention leorio's background changes.[/SPOILER]

He had no background changes.

Point is, the reason for the remake was spelled out when it was first announced and not for the reason you keep spouting.

[chikkychappy]

wow, i read just shinobi's comparisons. no, kurapica isn't a girl in nippon animation's version. seriously. i don't even. what the hell. how can you even. i don't. what.

[ShiroiRyu]

For one who read the manga actually from the beginning and only saw this anime, i'm really pleased.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Kit Kat

Except none of that's happened. People are just nitpicking on one scene that does not diverge or change anything for the sake of nitpicking.

Some people don't agree with you there.

While I don't really hate the 1999 version, fact is they did characterize Kurapica very differently. He went from a man of vengeance, to a "man" who gets screwed over by his vengeance. Gon was also changed, although some of the changes were reversed a bit by the time of the OVAs.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

He would still be able to use every Nen category at 100% though, which is already a pretty hax ability. We don't realize all he could do with that kinda power because right now he channels everything into his chain, but there's nothing preventing him from using other attacks or materializing other things, for instance.

As a matter of fact there is. A Conjurer can't just materialise any old thing on a whim, you know? Also, even with his Enhancer aptitude at 100%, Uvo is still superior by merit of having more experience. Also, Emperor Time wears him out. The reason he lost is because of Chain Jail.

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Dengar

As a matter of fact there is. A Conjurer can't just materialise any old thing on a whim, you know? Also, even with his Enhancer aptitude at 100%, Uvo is still superior by merit of having more experience. Also, Emperor Time wears him out. The reason he lost is because of Chain Jail.

It's not just experience, but also of Kurapika's own ceiling regarding his Nen talent and ability. Even at 100% Enhancer, it's not like Kurapika can use Big Bang Impact.

If anything, Emperor Time's real advantage is that it can very effectively take an opponent by surprise since it defies the fundamentals and rules of Nen. Well, that and an amazing versatility, but Kurapika needs more than just that against the Ryodan.

Which is where Chain Jail came into play.

[Kit Kat]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Some people don't agree with you there.

Doesn't make them right in the slightest however

Originally Posted by Dengar

While I don't really hate the 1999 version, fact is they did characterize Kurapica very differently. He went from a man of vengeance, to a "man" who gets screwed over by his vengeance.

Again, what are you talking about? He did not change, the direction made the scene more explicit is all, this is what I mean by nitpicking. If he started crying and feeling sorry for what he did then maybe you would have an argument but as of now you're argument is based solely on your interpretation on the scene which is in fact a baseless. In a way the fact that people can argue over a character's mood being interpreted shows how well the theatrics of the 1999 anime were in comparison to the less than stellar ones of the 2011, but hey who cares as long as they copy panel to panel right? Directions and theatrics don't matter whatsoever in the 2011 anime and neither does Kaito

Originally Posted by chikkychappy

wow, i read just shinobi's comparisons. no, kurapica isn't a girl in nippon animation's version. seriously. i don't even. what the hell. how can you even. i don't. what.

Most of these comparisons are made by bias fans of the 2011 anime, notice his overuse of the word pathetic and him citing that MUSIC DOES NOT MATTER and then he inserts his opinion on matters when the 2011 anime decides to omit scenes that were covered in both the 1999 anime and the 2011 anime. I've long since stop taking them seriously.

[ditn]

still 1999 vs 2011 huh,this is getting boring.
how many times do i have to say that you will enjoy if you dont try to compare them with eachother.

I agree with the poster a page back,should make a thread 1999 vs 2011 and keep this one for ongoing hxh anime discussion

[kitten320]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Actually, most authors let the anime producers do whatever they want. Only in a few special cases they involve themselves with the adaptations, and mostly only as consultants. To begin with an author worth his/her salt knows the director should be free to make the adaptation based on his own vision instead of trying to copy whatever the original author intended for.

Well obviously if it is your only chance to get anime series, I would go for it too since it is a great opportunity to promote yourself.

However, it doesn't mean that authors are happy with the changes. In some cases they don't really have any right to object. Or deal with changes or forget about anime altogether.

[zeniselv]

Originally Posted by chikkychappy

wow, i read just shinobi's comparisons. no, kurapica isn't a girl in nippon animation's version. seriously. i don't even. what the hell. how can you even. i don't. what.

there are several instances that seem the producers of the old anime want us to think that, there is this one occasion where leorio is sharing a room with kurapika, and when leorio gets out of the bath naked kurapica proceeds to beat leorio, at wich leorio wonder what he did wrong, this is the most cliché event in any anime with a crossdressing woman, there is this other scene where kurapica is slips in a couch, where he ends in a position with his legs opened in front of the others, and he proceeds to close his legs in a manner like he was just using a skirt, and there are just a couple i can remeber.