(CR) Witchcraft Works [anime]

[zero7090]

I liked that review meeting hall scene. For some reason i cant bring myself to hate the 5 tower witch girls

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by zero7090

I liked that review meeting hall scene. For some reason i cant bring myself to hate the 5 tower witch girls

It's the Team Rocket effect. If a thief never managed to steal anything in his entire career, is he still really a thief?

[Velsy]

I have to say, I really like how the anime is sticking close to its original source. This is one of my well liked manga so I am really quite happy about it. Awesome job so far on the Adaption.

I think it was brilliant they included the Teddy brushing its teeth, best part of this episode I reckon. I had always thought it was a thrown in random gag by the author, until it was revealed later to be related Kasumi, then it made some sense ^_^

Kasumis quite hilarious as the aggressive little sister. I had always wondered previously how he was protected when not on school grounds under Ayakas supervision. Honoka would seem quite vulnerable in that time frame. I hadn't thought of the sister until she was revealed to be his 2nd guardian. So that all worked out cool and answered my question.

[Tempest35]

One must never underestimate the power of 'imouto'.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by orion

Really? That would just mean that the guy is inferior and can never be an equal imo. Relationships last due to equality imo.

Really? Let's examine this for a moment. I think most english speaking folks know about the relationship Superman and Lois Lane have had for decades. I have yet to hear one comment about how inferior Lois Lane is. Often I hear quite the opposite, how crafty, elegant and beautiful she is; some would say the make the perfect couple, even though she does not have even a fraction of his strength, stamina nor any ability beyond the scope of home sapiens sapiens.

TBT successful relationships are not about being equal, but about being complementary. You might think having Kagari to save Honoka to be quite pathetic, but it fulfills Kagari since she is needed by Honoka.

[kujoe]

Originally Posted by Anime Online

Tanpopo said the falling clock tower was just an illusion to test whether Honoka was a threat. Once she ascertained he was useless, she felt it was safe enough to show herself to kidnap him.

In any case, it is inferred the Workshop Witches do clean up the damage from their magical battles. The chairwoman took the call after the city devastation and said they would take care of it.

Don't forget that Kagari caused a powerful explosion during the second fight with Tanpopo. It would have damaged building structures, burned trees and reduced the area to rubble. Never mind possible innocent bystanders, something like that would be difficult to miss from a far, especially with the explosion and all. One would expect the school would be closed for a while after that.

Honoka had his eyes closed when that happened, but as soon as he was told to open them, everything was back to normal.

[SkoolRumble4Ya]

Honoka got the best two bodyguard. He just need one more to complete the set.

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by orion

Really? That would just mean that the guy is inferior and can never be an equal imo. Relationships last due to equality imo.

I don't think so. The saying "Opposites attracts" applies here.

[orion]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

Really? Let's examine this for a moment. I think most english speaking folks know about the relationship Superman and Lois Lane have had for decades. I have yet to hear one comment about how inferior Lois Lane is. Often I hear quite the opposite, how crafty, elegant and beautiful she is; some would say the make the perfect couple, even though she does not have even a fraction of his strength, stamina nor any ability beyond the scope of home sapiens sapiens.

TBT successful relationships are not about being equal, but about being complementary. You might think having Kagari to save Honoka to be quite pathetic, but it fulfills Kagari since she is needed by Honoka.

Superman is a male. In a comics aimed at men, it's okay for a man to be overpowering. Females aren't expected to be that overpowering. Even with Wonder Woman, she got revamped so she doesn't have a love interest to put her into that situation. And when you go to XMen and take out Phoenix who doesn't make a lot of appearances, the memorable and more powerful characters are male imo.

Successful relations irl are equal and complimentary or male with a slight edge and complimentary imo. We can agree to disagree.

Of course, this anime could be a portraying a sanitized version of dominance and submission. (They even have a "contract".)

[mangatron]

I love you zzzzettai booby neesan

[NoemiChan]

I wanted a witch for a girlfriend...

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by orion

And when you go to XMen and take out Phoenix who doesn't make a lot of appearances, the memorable and more powerful characters are male imo.

Storm? I don't read the comics, but in non-comic versions of the XMen, she tends to be portrayed as one of the most powerful and dangerous, usually only limited by having a personality that prevents her from going all-out on people.

Same with Rogue when she has Ms. Marvel's powers, except she's perfectly willing to pound people into dust.

[Cloudedmind]

There's also different types of equality. Just because two people may not be equal in physical strength or capability doesn't mean that they aren't equal as people or individuals. Relationships are rarely about pure equality but compatibility.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by orion

Superman is a male. In a comics aimed at men, it's okay for a man to be overpowering.

You do realize Superman and Lois Lane were born in 1938, back then the damsel in distress was the status quo, I would even be as far as to say it was "the law of the land".

Females aren't expected to be that overpowering. Even with Wonder Woman, she got revamped so she doesn't have a love interest to put her into that situation.

Nowadays be in in manga or comics female leads (super-heroines or otherwise) ARE overpowering most of the time, at least when you compare them to normal human beings. Wonder Woman had Steve Trevor for several decades as her man in distress.

And when you go to XMen and take out Phoenix who doesn't make a lot of appearances, the memorable and more powerful characters are male imo.

I am also an x.men fan and I think you are not very well informed, there are plenty of female poewerhouses. Illyana Rasputin (some might say she is a witch btw) has saved earth (and ravaged new york) with her powers alone and ATM is one of the most powerful. We have an x-men team made solely of females. As wanderer said storm, rogue, kitty pryde, emma storm to name a few have been popular characters holding their own ground with/against male characters.

Successful relations irl are equal and complimentary or male with a slight edge and complimentary imo. We can agree to disagree.

I would go as far as saying that equality is an illusion, in what unit do you measure it? What is the partner to do if couple gets too powerful, ask him/her to "wimp out"?

Of course, this anime could be a portraying a sanitized version of dominance and submission. (They even have a "contract".)

I am not the first one that has said that marriage is a contract with two masters, two slaves and with a total of two individuals involved

[Tenzen12]

Equality isn't about skills, but total of everything person is (including character). Or maybe I would be able go that far to say equality is in the end nothing more than state of mind. As long as both involved are able see each other as equal it doesn't metter if cherished one is Superman, Goddess or badass witch.

[kujoe]

Originally Posted by philip72

Actually Kagari had Honoka close his eyes for the same reason as when she asked him to again on the bus. Out of shyness and vanity.

Yeah, I got that, but I was referring to their surroundings: the school grounds after the Tanpopo fight, and now that you mentioned it, there's also the aftermath of the Chronoire bus scene. One can make different theories based on those events.

On a random note, I can't help but remember the movie Tanpopo everytime Tanpopo is mentioned in the anime.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by philip72

It makes me think of the Popotan anime from years ago.

Presumably because that was just a deliberate mispronunciation of tanpopo.

[Dekomori Sanae]

Originally Posted by AGear2Ax

Well, the alligator's master (Chrono what? VI) in episode 3 said that her barrier was about to dissapear. Probably they are setting a special kind of barrier (alternate reality zone, reality marble, magic's zone?) but, why the people are protected but the buildings get destroyed regardless of that?

Good point. I can really see them trying to sell this to the people:
"Look, we leveled half the city, so you'll have to sleep under a bridge from now on, but at least we made sure no one got seriously harmed - well, except for that llama, but we hate llamas, so that's okay. Aren't we great?"

Originally Posted by philip72

Man you make it hard for manga readers to refrain from spouting spoilers all over the thread.
I'll just say that every issue you raised and every question you've asked so far on the board, will be addressed fully before episode 9.

But yeah, most of the witches on both sides are either overpowered idiots or their even dumber underlings. As for the moral difference between the Tower and Workshop types, think Chaotic Neutral versus Lawful Neutral.

From what I've seen, the Workshop witches really aren't very "Lawful". Ayaka was very quick to flush her oh so pretty rules down the toilet just for Honoka. I'd say, at the very least, Ayaka is "True Neutral":

Originally Posted by tvtropes.org

The best known Character Alignment system has two axes: Good—Evil and Lawful—Chaotic. But some characters just don't fit either end of either axis: they're not selfless enough to be Good, but not exploitative enough to be Evil; they're not rule-abiding enough to be Lawful, but not arbitrary enough to be Chaotic. They could be described as morally bland. These characters are True Neutral, also known as "Neutral Neutral" or just "Neutral".

Honoka's little sister is quite another matter again. I'd say that stuff like her wanton destruction and her obsession with her big brother qualifies her as Chaotic Neutral. She does whatever she wants if she thinks it benefits her big brother, even if she ends up leveling half the city. She doesn't give a damn for any rules, or for any consequences of her actions.
While Ayaka is also quick to ignore any rules if it comes to Honoka, at least she hasn't caused massive destruction (at least not just yet).

[Kioras]

Ayaka you can't qualify as an alignment, she is merely 'Lawful Honoka.' Whatever is good for Honoka she follows, and that is it.

[Dekomori Sanae]

No, "Honoka before Reason" fits much better for Ayaka

At any rate, it's pretty clear we have a case of Black and Gray morality here.