2008-03-04, 21:51 | Link #721 |
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I'm in agreeance with Jimmy here. The full scale Jewel seeds had X amount of power, and were just warming up when Lindy went 'Oh HELL NO!' and put her foot down.
Incidently, what constitutes destruction of the world? Decimation of city areas? Global Cataclysms? (Such as fracturing of tectonic plates and other 'super dissasters' on a global scale... I vote for that one.) Base Delta Zero? Or the Alderaan Effect? |
2008-03-04, 21:58 | Link #722 | |
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Anyways, people have probably missed my question, but what's the TSAB's stance on projectile weaponry? More so a device that is designed to carry the Belka cartridge system, but the cartridges themselves work as both a magical booster, and actually discharges an actual projectile. Would that be considered illegal technology in the eyes of the TSAB?
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2008-03-04, 22:01 | Link #723 |
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Good point, that.
Or rather, wait a second. Shouldn't every scientist on Earth be freakin' out a few days after that? Apparently sourceless earthquakes are kind of a big deal, no? (Unless you're going to argue that it was limited to the Uminari area, which would be... weird...) On the other hand, it's entirely possible that the TSAB's in touch with a few Earth governments for precisely this sort of scenario. "Uh... yeah. There was an event yesterday, don't worry, not your fault and won't affect y'all any further... Just don't panic, 'kay?" Of course, that implies competent_TSAB, which isn't what we have. Projectiles, huh... I don't think it'd necessarily be "illegal", but most likely "what for?" There's no need for having a physical bullet if you can summon one; there's no need for a barrel if you can accelerate a projectile without one; and a bullet-cartridge (as opposed to a Belka cartridge) can't be used for things that don't involve slinging a slug. It'd be easier to just use the cartridge to summon some bullets and fire them, and also probably more weight-efficient. One also expects bullets to be an inefficient offensive means against mages, whose barrier jackets seem to handle purely physical shock with ease. If anything, I'd expect that sort of technology to be in the hands of guys in a unit specifically formed to counter anti-magic field conditions - i.e. RF6, right? ;p But the brass is definitely down on the concept, they're down on the idea of anti-AMF development (well, Regius is on the wrong side, duh), and Nanoha's training doesn't go in for that sort of thing either. So there's no real shock that we don't see anyone else using 'em. |
2008-03-04, 22:20 | Link #724 | |
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I'm also asking because this character would have any qualms with the aspect of actually killing, over just inflicting magical damage. What better way then to crack the head open, or pierce through it and mess around with that grey matter as the bullet richocets around in the head? That's why I need to know what's the stance of it in terms of how the TSAB would feel if one of their own was using projectile weaponry, and also how feasible such a setup would be for that. And mind you I'm thinking solid projectile because of my character's combat preference: Kill first, arrest later.
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2008-03-04, 22:47 | Link #725 |
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Slug Throwers are considered banned weaponry. And also, after much arguing, I have drawn implications that even the fastest magic projectile just doesn't touch the velocity of a conventional weapon. Even our most generous calcs on it, only a page or two back, show the fastest velocity as less than 150 m/s.
The typical M-16 A2 fires rounds at 930 m/s. If you want slug throwing power with magic, you'll need to: A: Have a stupid long charge time. B: Build a hybrid, and have a slightly less stupid long charge time. C: Just use the freakin' mass weapon and ignore those puny laws. Now, exactly what would this weapon be like? Teeana's weapon's a breach loader. What would you do with a live ammo shell? Emergency shotgun pistol? |
2008-03-04, 22:47 | Link #726 | ||
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Yeah, one can agree it'll probably have gotten worse, but how much worse is a huge question mark. As Tigerclaw mentioned, even if we grant the "destroy" part, there is a huge range of what defines destruction, and without the visual we plain don't know what it is. And remember, the whole thing was ostensibly stopped by Lindy putting her foot down - which means that it was nothing beyond personal resources, and we've seen the limits of mage resources on the physical dimension. It depends on what you use as your base. It is clear that everyone is working from their words to excuse all contradictory observations, so I'm working from the actual observations of actual activations available. Quote:
Here's my shot - there was no quake at all, as least as perceivable by the inhabitants within our 3D dimension. The dimension itself is being shaken, so if you place a camera with a frame of reference outside the dimension (or is it just the camera that is being shaken?), you'll see some relative movement and that might explain the small amount of vibration you see on screen, while squaring the circle that no one is even taking anti-earthquake countermeasures because there's no movement from their frame of reference inside the dimension. For them, the most interesting thing is the poles of light, which is a lot more concealable (requires line of sight for easy observation) than a seismic wave that hits seimographs around the world. And , pushing to a fringier extent just for the moment, even that can be rationalized away as a representation of magic for the viewer's benefit, and the characters are just looking up at the stormy sky. This will square the circle as to why no one had to repair the stuff engulfed in those pillars. By the way, why are you willing to assume they aren't competent, but refuse to entertain the possibility they could be wrong about the JS? |
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2008-03-04, 23:07 | Link #727 | |
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Plus, this is point-blink style combat. Look up Equilibrium on Youtube to get an idea of Gun Kata :3
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How little damage do you think would really have resulted had Precia not been stopped? Merely the destruction of the Garden of Time? If that's the case, was it worth risking all those lives just to stop her? Dealing with dangerous Lost Logia like these happens to be one of their main duties, give them some credit when they say it'll be really bad. Quote:
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2008-03-05, 00:19 | Link #729 | |
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Gives a sudden funny feeling of using that in a positive manner. And I've seen Equalibrium. Preson's Gun Kata is useless. If his opponents could actually... well, AIM, he'd have been mowed down. There's no such thing as optimum position in a room. Fortunately for him, his character shields and the instant activation of the Stormtrooper Effect kept that problem at bay. |
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The best way to "square the circle" when it comes to the whole Jewel Seed incident is probably just to view the space-time fabric as being horribly weak to magic, so a low power event (relatively) can cause the tears. Apparently, our spacetime fabric is also under substantial tension, so once there's a break, it can slowly expand by itself until it indeed becomes all encompassing. |
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2008-03-05, 01:11 | Link #731 | |
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Besides, unlike they who revolve mostly on one spot, my character is always moving, always attacking. If you want, I can possibly write some sort of scene description at a later time if you want, to give you an idea of how he would fight, and if that is actually feasible or not. I'm not crazy enough to have him fight like they do in that movie where they'd give shot down easy. Plus don't forget, his movement is also enhanced by his magic Basically how the cartridges work is that when they discharge, they work like Tiana's gun, however, the magic stored would be used to shatter say a barrier or shield, and then the bullet itself would carry on to pierce through the person. Basically by the time it hits the target, providing no shield is brought up, the bullet hitting is nothing more than your average 9mm round, which would still hurt like a or kill, depending where it lodges itself in the target's body. Which therefore would mean that it can backfire, or if the energy isn't separated from the bullet before discharge, could probably take a chunk of the target's body, but it also depends how much power is compressed into the cartridge, so it varies on the user's preference I suppose. Actually on another note, should I take this to the OC thread?
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If the characters say "it could destroy the world" then it's safe to assume that if it doesn't turn the planet into an asteroid belt, it will at least render it uninhabitable. Not that will cause such insignificant damage that you won't see it from orbit. If we can't rely on the characters to present the situation to us properly, what are we watching? Quote:
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2008-03-05, 01:44 | Link #734 |
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Yes, a solid 9mm bullet that is encased in a magic bullet.
Basically it works like a full metal jacket in the sense that the magic clears the obstruction from interfering with the bullet's trajectory. But yes, it's a solid magically charged bullet.
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2008-03-05, 01:56 | Link #735 |
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I'll label it as a conventional weapon. It maybe a hybrid of sorts but still a conventional weapon... just like ATC's sniper rifle. Although his uses magic to power/create the shot, to me its still conventional weapon but with an exotic power source.
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2008-03-05, 02:31 | Link #739 | |
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It totally depends on how you justify it but I don't think its permitted. Also, its better to think of the TSAB as a police force instead of a military. Btw its better to move this line of conversation to PMs or the OC thread. |
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2008-03-05, 02:32 | Link #740 | |
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